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Nobody told me Madara was fun
*Sasori in the kitchen with Chiyo*
Sasori: Grandmother, are you sure you’ve added enough seasoning to your stew?
Chiyo, annoyed: Yes, boy. Perhaps you’d be able to discern that yourself if you hadn’t gone ahead with this puppet-body abomination.
Sasori: *sighs* It’s been over ten years, now. Can’t you ever let that go? And besides, you should be proud. If it wasn’t for your teachings and training, I never could have pulled off such a work of perfection. I —
Chiyo, hip-bumping Sasori away from the stove: Don’t you dare go blaming me for your lunacy. You know I never intended for this to happen. And speaking of things I didn’t see happening — you invited that boy over here again, haven’t you? That’s why you’re so concerned with my cooking, right?
Sasori: … Yes. And you needn’t keep referring to him as “that boy”; he has a name.
Chiyo: Mm. Deidara. Deidara who likes spicy food. Deidara with the clay birds and the quick wit and the “beautiful golden hair, the immaculate thread of destiny that ties your souls together”.
Sasori: Haven’t I asked you to stop reading my diary??
Chiyo: Stop leaving it open when I’m cleaning that pigsty of a room of yours, and I might. Look, my stew is flavorful enough for your little friend. Get out of my hair, go and set the table.
Sasori: *goes into the dining room and starts setting places for Deidara and Chiyo*
Sasori: He’s not just my “little friend”, grandmother. He’s, well, he’s become more. Quite a bit more.
Chiyo: *coming in and setting a basket of rolls on the table* So I’ve gathered. Well, I suppose it’s much too late for me to do anything about it now.
Sasori: What do you mean, “do” anything about it? Why are you so against us?
Chiyo: Boy —
Sasori: Is it because he’s a man? Because you’ve known since I was a little kid that I’ve always preferred the company of others like myself, and you always made it seem as though it was acceptable to you.
Chiyo: That’s not —
Sasori: Or is it our age difference? Because, although he may seem very youthful, he’s very mature and intelligent for his age. Maybe even more so than myself, in some respects. And when he’s here, I’ve never heard him be more than the most polite and well-mannered to you. So I don’t —
Chiyo: It’s none of that, Sasori! For gods sake, he’s from Iwa! He was the student of that horrible, odious, lousy, arrogant son of a bitch Onoki!
Sasori:
Sasori: … Grandmother. Weren’t you and the Tsuchikage, well … rather close, in your younger days? Wasn’t he your … your romantic partner?
Chiyo, blushing furiously: You know, you’re worse with the irritating questions now than you were as a child, and that’s truly saying something. Get out of here, leave me be.
*Sasori sighs and leaves the room just as there’s a knock at the front door*
Sasori: Ah, you’re here! *takes Deidara’s arm and pulls him inside* How was the trip over?
Deidara: It was alright, hm. I remembered my hat with the veil this time, so I got a lot less dust in the eyes. Such a long walk made me really work up an appetite, though … *sniffs the air* Something sure smells good!
Sasori: Well, I’d like you to spend the night here, so you won’t have to make the trip back until morning. And my grandmother made her special stew for you.
Deidara: … Are you positive she’s okay with me spending the night? The last time I did, I swear she glared at me all the next morning.
Sasori: Don’t worry about that, love. *puts his arms around Dei* She’s just having trouble adjusting. It’s been only the two of us for so long, so I think it’s hard for her to see me with somebody. *stops and chuckles* Also, you have to account for her advanced age. Being in one’s late eighties must make it rather difficult to remember what love feels like.
Deidara: *sighs and puts his head on Sasori’s shoulder* I suppose you’re right, hm. I just wish —
*Chiyo enters the room and Deidara pulls out of Sasori’s arms, bowing his head to her*
Deidara: Lady Chiyo, it’s a pleasure to see you again, ma’am.
Chiyo: Mm. Dinner is ready, if you’d like to wash up.
Deidara: Yes, ma’am. Oh, before I forget … *reaches into his pocket and takes out a small notebook* My Master Onoki asked me to give you this when I saw you next.
*Chiyo takes the notebook, and her face changes when she sees the first page*
Chiyo, voice uncharacteristically soft: I remember this. We used to sit on the cliffs and he’d think up these poems for me, then write them down in here. I haven’t seen this in better than fifty years! *starts walking to her bedroom, face buried in the book*
Sasori: Er, granny? Dinner?
Chiyo: *waves a hand absently at him* Yes, yes, go ahead. I’m busy, boy. *goes into her bedroom and shuts the door; in a while they actually hear her giggling*
Deidara: *sits at the table and starts helping himself to food* Ha! “Too old to remember love”, eh? Goes to show how much you know!
Sasori: … I can’t believe it. One second she calls him these awful names, and the next she’s swooning over some poetry like a schoolgirl? *shakes his head* How confusing.
Deidara: Like grandmother, like grandson, I guess.
Sasori: What do you mean by that??
Deidara: Sasori. You must have tried to poison me at least ten times before you asked me on a date, hm.
Sasori: *chuckles and kisses Deidara’s cheek* More like two hundred and ten times, but who’s counting? Anyway that’s how I knew you were the one for me; your toxin immunity was such a turn-on.
Deidara:
Put them in little clothes~ and listen to boomer advice
I think he got blinded a lot by his power but saying he did it only for peace is crazy, considering the Infinite Tsukuyomi is basically a lobotomy and you turn into a white Zetsu slave after your chakra is gone
You started with the original scripture and now you're going through the ancient magic texts. XD
Anyways, on to the real ramblings:
You got me thinking about "What if Deidara Joined Konoha" (blasphemy, I know) and I was immediately confronted with the realization that him and Gai would very likely get along pretty well.
Gai would end up praising Deidara (genuinely) which he's probably not used to (considering his former teacher was Onoki), and they'd be able to bond over the ways they came up with to counter the Sharingan.
This would also be a great way to do some world building! For instance: Maybe in Iwa it's considered extremely rude and borderline taboo to NOT look your opponent in the eyes before fighting them, whereas it's just a way to try and quickly judge your opponent in Konoha.
There's also the fact that, unlike 90% of the Akatsuki, Deidara is actually pretty happy/okay with how the world currently is. We see him apologize to Toby during his death, which is odd not only for Akatsuki members, but him in particular; as up to this point we've never had any indication that he had any positive thoughts about Tobi.
This leads me to believe that Deidara is one of those people with the mindset of "make your own happiness". And like... Imagine how interesting it would have been if he learned "Tobi" wasn't real, and that his partner was so caught up in the past that he was willing to destroy the world for something that can't be (and is also an Uchiha). I feel like that would piss Deidara off so much, like he thought he finally found someone who also wanted to make their own happiness, and it turned out to be a LIE.
I am just having so many thoughts about character motivation and thing like that, and I blame you XD
Yeah I'm finally getting around to going through the askbox
Anyway, this one, as far as I remember, is back from when Gaara was giving evil glares at Rock Lee for having a supportive figure in Gai-sensei, and honestly I can see the same happening to Deidara.
One of his greatest tragedies is how severely lacking in positive attention he was while growing up, which ultimately wrapped his mind in the way it did and caused this very self-destructive and unhealthy mentality which tied his self-worth as a living being to the most important thing he considers himself to be. While he was in Iwagakure, Onoki and co were more than likely heavily hammering in that his (and he was a very young child at that time mind you) only worth was in how good of an Iwa shinobi he was and how he can use his talents (explosions) for the village's benefits. And this treatment is what ultimately caused Deidara's defection as, while he was incredibly talented at all things shinobi (yes Orochimaru copied Akatsuki when he took on teenagers in his terrorist organization, Deidara is like 12 in that recruitment scene), what Deidara was personally interested in was art and clay figurines he was able to make. But the damage to his mental state was already done, so that artistic part of him also became something to be optimized, to be "worthwhile" to the world around him, so he mixes the bombs and his creations and tries to be recognized for who he really is. But ultimately, has his mind stopped ticking as Iwagakure set it up to be? An obsession with becoming the perfect weapon to Iwa has turned into obsession with becoming the artist with the perfect art, and either thing would eventually eat at Deidara's mental state until he would throw his own life away in order to prove his own worth to the world as he is simply unable to see any in himself as is.
This is why btw I so heavily disagree with anyone claiming Deidara died because of his huge ego, because off the things we do see in him he is a deeply insecure person always trying to validate his own worth and quickly turning unstable if his attempts are brushed off like with Sasuke and Onoki. Even in Shippuden he's just barely outgrown his kid phase and I get so so upset when people treat him mean for no reason :( Like bitch, say his chubby spider imploding looks impressive, you'll be his bff instantly and he will lay his life for you, it won't kill you to be nice :(
(also that's why I think Tobi's puppy adoration is one of the things that kept him alive and somewhat not delusional for as long as it did, the events of the Kazekage Rescue arc must have fucked with his mental state so fucking bad. imagine spending half of your life preparing to beat the shit out of Sharingan, training your eye like no one did in history apparently, and then you're on one a mission and one of the other Sharingan mfs pulls out the Fuck-You-Steal-Your-Elbow-Dimensional-Transportation-no-jutsu, like I would be so fucking mad I would have an aneurism)
So yeah, that's why Deidara would hit it off with Gai so well, it's not even the generational hatred of the Sharingan and all the fun methods to fight back against it, it's that having an actually supportive teacher who deadass would say "I will kill myself if the operations on your injuries will kill you" would actually change the trajectory of his life. Deidara won't be fixed by coming out of the closet or getting a sugar daddy, he'll be fixed by having an actual supportive adult figure not exploit him for once lmao
Eh, I don't think that giving Iwa some hang ups about whether you look into opponents' eyes or not is actually that great of an idea considering how they are consistently shown to be very ends justify the means people hahaha. From Kakko the Oppenheimer going from knifing some kids at his turf to immediately dropping an entire cave system on their heads to Kurotsuchi, Tsuchikage's woke granddaughter, thinking what is the most efficient way to backstab everyone in the room during the Kage summit. I'd say it's more of a Konoha thing to have strange hangs up about honor im battle and whatnot, their society is entirely copypasted from modern era Japan.
I actually quite disagree with your perception of Deidara's and Tobi's relationship (yes sorry I am a (T)obidei shipper I think a lot about these two). Deidara, at his core, is not some heartless monster driven entirely by his desire to explode things. He is heavily shaped by the world he was born into - and unlike the other bozos in his company he's more so struggling with justifying his own existence to the world, not with fantasies of how to change said world to "improve" it - and that's what leads him to care so little for the lives of others, particularly strangers. Empathy is something actively despised by the shinobi system (and military system in general), so Deidara doesn't feel it/feels very little of it towards civilians and enemy shinobi, though even that is questionable considering how he allows Gaara to move the sand and not crush Sunagakure and how he overall seems to have a pretty chill relationship with Kurotsuchi and Akatsuchi and actively lashes out at them only when they take Onoki's side against him. You get the idea, Deidara is not an unfeeling psychopath and treats those he considers "his own"/"worthwhile" with respect and care as long as they do not disregard his desire to be acknowledged. For being abducted by the organization (LMAO), he is very supportive of its actions and very proud to be one of Akatsuki. He treats the other members with respect: Sasori is an obvious one even with their ideological differences; he uses the same "no-Danna" with Kisame even with the rocky start they had during the recruitment scene; Pain is also in the same well-respected group and it's recopirated, Pain does show regret over Deidara's death; hell, he even goes out of his way to warn Kakuzu and Hidan about Naruto. Like, no, Deidara Does Care for people he likes.
And Tobi is the same way, but he's a special case: he's Deidara's first time being in the senior's shoes, and, well, he's awkward at it. He's a perfectionist and is insanely goal-driven, he needs to be constantly improving, so he's very much frustrated with Tobi not keeping up with him and the laidback behavior this guy frequently shows, in his mind Tobi is being very disrespectul to him and Akatsuki as a whole (which is probably the point because Obito's goals in those few months seems to have been entirely focused on ragebaiting Deidara as much as possible cuz it's funny). But Deidara - when his temper isn't all over the place - realizes the responsibility he's carrying as a senpai and consistently goes out of his way to protect/help Tobi during the missions. You say him apologizing to Tobi before death is odd, but Deidara a) tries to let Tobi take down Isobu as that's supposed to be his catch (badums) technically b) immediatelly intervenes when Tobi shows he can't do it c) doesn't explode the bombs that have fallen near Tobi during the fight with Sasuke d) C2 is their duo jutsu that utilizes Tobi's basic jutsu knowledge and allows Tobi to do the setup while Deidara is distracting the enemy on the dragon - and Deidara absolutely has no need for this, Deidara can use a clone for the setup, he specifically chose to let Tobi do something during the battle to give him some real battle experience e) explained his super secret jutsu C4 to Tobi in detail and warned him to run away when he started it. Like, I am sorry, but with all the frustrations Deidara is feeling when dealing with Tobi, he still very obviously cares for him and his well-being. I think it's fair to say Deidara would make a pretty good teacher if he had the time to get more experience and didn't have a student actively trying to ragebait him - unlike Obito who is constantly woobified by the fandom into uwu awesome sensei to team 7 in the "Obito returns to Konoha" AUs, like he is a BUM who wouldn't even be able to teach his own asscheek to jiggle. Marginally better than Kakashi, I guess, but half of Naruto is literally Kakashi failing all his non-existent qualifications.
Anyway, I got off topic. Point is, Deidara actually cares and respects people in Akatsuki and Tobi specifically. He isn't the one to mourn anyone because again, the shinobi system kicked his empathy synapses pretty hard and he's got his own personal philosophy actively turning him away from attaching to anything, but he is not heartless. Unfortunately, the problem I discussed earlier - how single-minded he is in his obsession to be seen by everyone in the world - is ultimately stronger than his care for those around him, and Tobi was unlucky to be near him when Deidara decided to pull the plug in order for the world to finally acknowledge him unconditionally. He is genuinely sorry for taking down Tobi with him, but he will not stop because of that regret.
(this is also one of the reasons I actively despise the arc canon Obito got handed. Tobi is, unfortunately, not treated very seriously by the narrative when he's a huge sign of Obito being unable to become the no one Eye of the Moon demands him to be as he is a) reusing a lot of the mannerism Obito had pre-Kannabi, even if they are exaggerated b) off the anime - and really there is no way to get that confirmation from the manga for obvious reasons - Obito is using Madara's voice when acting as Madara, but Tobi is using his own real voice, simply high-pitched to be as annoying as possible c) overall does a lot of things that slow Eye of the Moon down, particularly his antics with Deidara. Tobi is a weird persona of a teenager who died years ago being transported into the future and continuing his life as a fucked up adult in a fucked up world, and the closest person that persona had was Deidara. Deidara's death is also - for reasons discussed above - thousands of times a better commentary of the unfairness and cruelty of the shinobi world than Rin's entire fucking cardboard cutout of a character could ever offer. and what is done with how Obito perceives that all through Tobi's mask? ah, that's right, he immediatelly disregards that because we need to glaze Sasuke more and nothing is ever spoken of that again, even with Deidara's resurrection.)
(this is why canon Obito deserves nothing but getting his grave pissed on by the entire Alliance post-mortem btw. this is the only thought that will be soothing my mind when I will have to go through Hundred Years of Bullshit Boring Monotone Monologues about Rin)
But yeah, Deidara learning about who Tobi is would have been a very good direction for his character, but gosh golly guess who is a secondary villain and guess who is relagated to being a constant helpless butt of the joke in War Arc, hm. This is also one of those funny points canon Obito fans tend to disregard in their heated attempts to show Obito as being justified in anything he did and actually being the true hero of the story (yeah there are some people in the world who call this triple genocide olympic champion to be the hero of the story): Obito was always using the Akatsuki for his own means and specifically hid the truth of what their actions would lead to, most likely because he was well aware not many were going to follow him should they have been informed. The only people I am seeing as following Eye of the Moon are Kisame and Zetsu as canon confirmed and possibly Sasori for his fascination of the eternal and trauma of losing his parents, but the rest would tell Obito to fuck off straight into the Moon. Especially Deidara, oh Deidara would be fucking enraged if he ever learned his two Tailed Beasts catches got Tobi closer to casting that bullshit on the world, Deidara would have actually left the Akatsuki immediatelly and began the Alliance himself with sole goal of vaporizing Tobi's lying ass lmao
Anyway, thank you for the ask, ahahhaha, it was a lot of fun, sorry for taking so long to reply
honestly when/if Oonoki found out that Madara rose from the dead just to kill The Yellow Flash, I think he'd be sooo pissed, but it's mostly overpowered by the sheer relief of not having to deal with That Blonde Bitch anymore
Deidara kind of is the natural end result of a system that trains children into worshipping legacy while prepping them to find meaning in dying young at any moment while also valorizing destruction and violence.
I find myself wishing that Onoki and Iwagakure as a whole were introduced naturally in the Sasuke vs Deidara arc. Like imagine Sasuke knowing the rumors of Iwagakure’s dealings with the Akatsuki and going there to find whatever Akatsuki member he can lay his hands on to learn Itachi’s location.
We’re introduced to Onoki and his relationship with Deidara and how he remains fond of him and Dei still does missions for him as an Akatsuki even after the terrorist bombings. A direct link is made between the system and Deidara’s ideology without trying to make excuses for him either. Sasuke eventually confronts Deidara and he blows himself up with C0. The battle is probably away from the village but the shockwave is close enough to cause a lot of damage and deaths.
Onoki is forced to grapple with the fact that he essentially caused this; He caused Deidara to turn out like that and enabled his behavior and not only did his boy kill himself because of it but he also killed his people for it as well. Maybe Han and Roshi getting captured in the chaos of this arc also occurs, and we explore what dynamic they had with the village, how Onoki deprived his village of a means of protection for it. And that uneasy state of mind creates actual setup for Gaara to call out Onoki and change his mind with just a one-liner.