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(SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 1171)

How dare this flashback end without any mention of Lola?? I want to know how and when and if it was real or just another fake rumor associated with him!!

Loki, come back and tell your brother, his friends and these random humans about your love life!!!!

#don't come at me with “it wasn't relevant” there were already so many detours in this hilariously 3 minute long flasback #it's relevant to me ok #one piece #op spoilers #op chapter 1171 #one piece 1171 #elbaf arc #deb talks

Op chapter 1171 - key points 🗝️

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7 months without luffy and its been some of the greatest chapters oda has put out

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(SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 1171)

I wonder about this. Rocks was adamant that he needed that devil fruit, and that Harald specifically had to be the one to eat it, so it's not that the fruit itself isn't powerful, it's more like ancient giant blood is almost ridiculously strong and the combination would make the person almost too overpowered. So only someone with both the fruit and ancient giant ancestry could be strong enough to stop a covenant-possessed Harald. Though of course this was 14 years ago, and 8 years after this Shanks was able to imprison Loki in the Underworld, so either he's stronger than Loki now, he found a way around it, or he tricked Loki into it

Also, are Ragnir and the devil fruit related? Do the two of them combined make up the treasure? The chapter title makes me want to think of Ragnir itself as the treasure, especially since Loki wasn't transformed when he used it to kill Harald, but then what's so special about the fruit? If it is a mythical zoan (likely), I wonder if it's needed for something else. Maybe to go to the Astral World, the only one we haven't seen so far, which is written as 天界 (tenkai), which means the heavens, the celestial sphere, the heavenly realm or realm of the gods. There's a chance you need to be a "god" to reach it, so someone with a mythical devil fruit (possibly a flying zoan), or maybe even someone considered to be Nika

(chapters 1171 and 1044)

Harald mentioning the dawn coming to Elbaf reminded me of what Hiyori told Orochi, about the dawn coming to Wano after their years of nightmares finally ended. It's the association of the sun, but especially the rising sun, with new beginnings and, since that chapter is also the one where we see Gear5 for the first time, with Luffy and Nika. In both cases, their long nights were supposed to end because of their connections to the rest of the world. In Wano's case, it was only possibly because Kin'nemon and Momo managed to create the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance. In Harald's case, he thought it would be when he became a God's Knight and got Elbaf to be considered a member nation of the World Government. He was tragically wrong, of course, but currently Elbaf is also/still in the middle of a nightmare, and dawn will probably come with the help of the Straw Hats

(chapters 1171 and 81)

It's been pointed out already that the framing of Shanks clutching his arm is similar to Nami clawing at her Arlong Pirates tattoo. They're both symbols of control, of shame and anger at their circumstances. If he had a knife in hand, I can imagine him trying to get rid of it the same way Nami did (which does raise the question of if it would work, since he doesn't have the covenant that gives him regenartive abilities).

However, the situation also reminds me of Sabo during the burning of Grey Terminal

(chapters 1171 and 586)

Being ashamed of the circumstances of their birth, being reminded of the arrogance, the cruelty, the complete and utter disregard for "lower" people. The aristocrats of Goa calling the people in the terminal trash, and Garling saying people of the lower world aren't even human. The Revolutionary Army (plus Sabo's amnesia) and Gaban helping them to not turn their anger inwards. Also, the fact that Gaban mentions a 悪いクセ (warui kuse), or bad habit/tendency, means that this is something Shanks has been struggling with for some time now, probably ever since he found out about his biological family. I still think this is what Shanks was crying about before the Roger Pirates disbanded

(chapter 968)

There's also an association here with Ace and his question to Garp about whether or not he should have been born. I wonder if Gaban's speech would have reached Ace in a way that Garp's didn't, but I think that Shanks saying it to him might have made a difference, because Shanks was also struggling with the same kind of issue, of hating your own birth and where you came from

(chapters 1171 and 568)

I think I've mentioned it before, but what Ace asks Garp can also be read as

おれは生まれてきてもよかったのかな Is it a good thing that I was born

to which Garp answers

そりゃおめェ…生きてみりゃわかる Well, you... will understand that if/while you keep living

It's still not the best thing to say to a suicidal child, but it sounds less... dismissive than the connotation of the official translation. Maybe I'm being too generous here, but I think Garp was trying (and failing) to say that life is something that you give meaning to while you live it, and not something that is given meaning by other people. It's not exactly the same as what Gaban said, which is more about people's lives having inherent meaning, but to me it's close enough. I'm not defending Garp here by the way, he still did a horrible job lol

It's just sad to think about what Shanks could have been to Ace (and Sabo) if he had been given time to spend with them like he did for Luffy

First off, this is a very interesting way of framing this scene. Right before this we had a close up of Imu huffing, but now we see them from the pov of the Elders, who are so far away that Imu is barely visible on the panel. It's a reminder of how far above them Imu is, but at the same time it makes Imu seem figuratively smaller too. Especially since we're also learning that there is a price to pay for every covenant they make. The fact that they don't know what killed Harald also shows some more limits to the covenant, ie that while Imu could talk to Harald and control the direction of his thoughts, it's not the same as actually possessing him. Imu couldn't see what Harald saw, but apparently did feel some backlash when he died

Since Oda is not a big fan of killing characters in the present, I don't really see people actually killing the God's Knights and impairing Imu, but I do wonder if they really have to die or if severing the connection somehow would also hurt Imu the same way (speaking of, I wonder if they felt it when Shanks' arm was bitten off). The Elders apparently die, I assume because they've been alive for too long and without Imu's powers their time would "catch up" to the present, but what if someone is still a normal age? Would they also die if the covenant is severed?

Ok, but what does this mean???? Is the whole country a part of the D clan? Is it just the royal family? Did Harald know? Did Rocks know?? Is there anyone left alive in Elbaf who would know? Would Jarul? Is there more information about that in the Astral World, maybe? Or was there something in the Ohara books? Would the Ohara scholars know, since the Ds are connected to the Void Century?

(chapters 1171 and 40)

As @escape-the-game-itself has pointed out, Loki's speech here resembles Usopp not wanting to tell the truth to the people from his village. In both cases, it was so they wouldn't worry, wouldn't have their peaceful ways disrupted by the truth. I think it's interesting how both Loki and Usopp are connected to lies

Usopp is a liar, and he uses lies deliberately to help himself and others. He is mostly in control of the lies he tells, and they serve a purpose of creating a better version of reality. The pirates are coming, which means his father is coming back so his mother has to stay alive a little longer. The pirates are coming, so his father is coming to take him away so he won't be lonely anymore. The world is a fantastical place and he's traveled all around it, but he chose to come back to this little village to tell it all to this sick girl who is stuck in her room, so she can also experience the wonders of the world. He is a brave warrior of the sea, so he isn't really just a scared kid who is in way over his head most of the time

Loki is also a liar, but his lies are a shield and they never help him. He has been called cursed and blamed for everything since he was born, regardless of the truth. His uncle talked with hearts in his speech bubbles while abusing him. Loki tells Hajrudin that he is the only real prince, and that Hajrudin is a bastard and useless, but Loki sees how loved and cared for and wanted Hajrudin really is, while people will call Loki prince when it suits them and a cursed child when it doesn't. So he learns that the truth doesn't really matter, and he lies. He doesn't like Ida, he doesn't care what others say, he doesn't want his father's love, he doesn't care that his father is going to die, he's only complaining because he's the one that has to do it and that's so bothersome

I'm actually going to be a little disappointed if Loki ends up becoming the king, it just won't really feel narratively satisfying. Loki has been metaphorically and literally chained to Elbaf for most of his life, and his dream doesn't have anything to do with Elbaf or its citizens. He found salvation in Rocks talking about the world, so to me it would make more sense if he got the chance to go out and see it, not just to get revenge on his father's enemies. Hajrudin, on the other hand, does dream of being king of all giants, and has spent his whole life being marked by his lack of legitimacy. Loki acknowledging him as his real brother would give him that, would help bring them closer as sons of both Harald and Ida and would retroactively give Ida the legitimacy that Harald always wanted for her. At most, I hope the brothers get to be dual kings, which would also parallel the other giants leaders who always come in pairs, like Jarul and Jorul and Dorry and Brogy

[Sort of unrelated, but I wonder what happened to all those other soldiers Loki took with him. They also knew the truth of what happened when Harald died, so where are they now? Did they die along the way? Were they also captured by Shanks?]

When Loki says powers, he uses the kanji 能力 (nouryoku) with the furigana ちから (chikara). 能力 means ability or skill, and as far as I remember it's the word people usually use when talking about devil fruit powers. 力 (chikara) can also mean ability, but it's also a more general word for strength or power

(chapters 1171 and 1136)

Shanks and Gaban's silent speech bubbles, plus how we now know that Shanks was actually there when Harald died, makes me question why Shanks would imprison Loki in Elbaf. He knows that Loki didn't really kill his father, and he also knows what Loki was doing out at sea, so it was probably one more of Elbaf arc's lies and misdirections. There's a chance that Loki was gonna get himself into more trouble than he could get out of, or maybe Shanks saved him from some trouble he had already gotten into. Loki, being more than a little stubborn, probably wouldn't agree to lie low without being literally chained down to a gigantic tree

(chapter 1131)

I didn't notice it at the time, but when Loki's bounty is mentioned, it's called 特別 (tokubetsu), which means special or exceptional. I wonder if it's because it's such a large bounty for someone who is unafilliated with any known pirate crew, of if there's another reason. Maybe the World Government wanted to catch him so they could try to control him like they did with Harald, so it would make sense for Shanks to want to keep him in Elbaf, where he would technically be unreachable. It would also explain why Shamrock and Gunko went to Loki first to try and recruit him into the God's Knights, which would require the same covenant that Harald had

So how much does Loki know? If he literally left after that conversation at the end of the flashback, then he probably mostly knows his father made a deal with the government and was being controlled somehow. That would mean that he doesn't know anything about the God's Knights, the covenants or how they're controlled by some "great one" (since Shanks didn't know about Imu either). Loki, lad, you should learn more about your father's enemies before you set out to destroy them

(Official and TCB)

The verb Loki uses is 飛ぶ (tobu), which means to fly or soar. It can also mean to jump or leap, but in that case it's usually written as 跳ぶ. Loki said he's gonna fly up, so chances are that his devil fruit really is a flying zoan (Nidhogg for the win?)

Also, draugr is written as 火死人 with the furigana ドラウグル (dorauguru). 死人 (shinin) means corpse and 火 (hi) means fire, so something like burned corpse. It's curious because as far as my very shallow understanding of Norse mythology goes, a draugr is sort of like a magical zombie, and doesn't really have any relation to being burned. Oda's draugr seems to be on fire, so maybe he just chose those kanji for the aesthetics, or to contrast with Ragnir's ice (?) powers, if he had already decided on it when he first introduced the children's nightmares

I'll be real, I was super expecting lightning powers. Where does the lightning come from, then?? Is it a byproduct of breaking the ice? Is it another of Ragnir's powers? It's probably not related to his devil fruit, since he managed to make the lightning strike on the Adam tree even when he was still in the seastone handcuffs

The attack name is 原初世界 with the furigana ニブルへイム (niburuheimu). 原初 (gensho) means origin, source or beginning, and 世界 (sekai) means world, so 原初世界 means primordial or original world. In Norse mythology, Nibelheim, or Niflheim, was the primordial realm of ice and cold. Between Niflheim and Muspelheim, the primordial realm of fire, is where creation and life began. It's also where Loki's daughter Hel presides over and receives some of the dead who don't go to other realms like Valhalla. So the name matches the apparent ice powers, I'm just still confused about the lightning lol

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