#otayuri discourse

[srcasticking]

I was wondering if you were aware that lesbianmilababicheva, one of the biggest anti otayuri fans in the fandom, ships Usagi/Mamoru from sailor moon... a fourteen year old middle school student and an adult in college. If she deletes it, I still got the screenshots. Hypocrisy in this fandom knows no bounds.

I wasn’t aware, but thank you for letting me know. I really don’t want to get involved in any discourse as it is not in my nature. The best thing to do in this situation would be to block them, which is what I have done.

Concerning them being a hypocrite, just ignore it. It's really no ones place to tell them they're being an idiot. Let them be ignorant, because it's easier than starting a war of discourse.

If you feel comfortable, please message me with the screenshots you have. Spread the word about this and maybe, they'll finally come to their senses about all of this.

My blog is an OtaYuri safe haven for anyone, and if anyone wants to talk about discourse making them uncomfortable, message me. Thank you for your time

[lia-nikiforov]

The notion that Welcome to the Madness was somehow created exclusively as a response to “gross pedophilic Otayuri fujoshi” is so mindnumbingly stupid I don’t even know if it’s worth my time to explain why, but to me the accusation not only shows absolute ignorance on how anime making works and how the Yuri on Ice production process was, it’s also so disrespectful towards Yamamoto and Kubo and their love and passion for the project and the sport of figure skating that I just... ugh

1) WTTM is not “pedophilic sexualization”. This is Yuri on Ice, which has a character explicitly ejaculating on ice twice and a character appearing buck naked on episode 1 with very unapologetic close ups of his butt. Yurio’s shirt slightly riding up his torso as he skates at god knows what speed, with no close ups of his ass, chest or nipples. Have you ever read the production interviews, Sayokan would never shut the fuck up about butts and nipples, if she wanted to sexualize Yurio YOU WOULD’VE FUCKING SEEN BUTTS AND NIPPLES.  But you don’t because all those pedophilic scenes of his shirt riding up are full body shots, never close ups to his pure virgin child flesh, no glossiness or artificial blushes, no excessive marking of his muscles, hmmm, I wonder why, oh yeah, it’s a show about figure skating and WTTM is a figure skating performance. 

2) WTTM was planned from the start but had to be cut from the final episode due to time constraints (I mean, watch that episode, they had to cut the opening and ending to cover everything the plot needed them to cover). Do y'all bunch of idiots have any clue of how anime is even made. Have any of you taken a minute to get off tumblr dot com and look at the production interviews. The outfit’s design was most likely commissioned along with all the other ones, and it even appeared in the MAPPA calendar TWICE. Previews of said calendar’s illustrations were up as early as february, and by that time, Otayuri barely featured in doujinshi events. 

3) A lot of the choreography and mood of that program are inspired by Johnny Weir, of whom Sayo Yamamoto is a huge fan, and Johnny is extra as fuck and particularly that slide is one of his signature moves (I think some folks even call it the Weir slide/glide, but don’t quote me on that one)

Did y’all even read Kubo’s manga it was all about Yurio wanting to express himself and free himself through something he loves. Y’all acting like half a second of Yurio’s finger in Otabek’s mouth was an actual blowjob when it was just meant to look cool and edgy like the entirety of that program because Yurio wants to be seen as cool and edgy, not a pure and innocent fairy. Again, we’ve seen what “sexual” programs look like, WTTM is nothing like those

4) Even if Otayuri’s popularity has grown very fast, VicYuu/YuuVic/Victuri is still overwhelmingly the most popular pairing in the show. There is no competition whatsoever in this regard. If they’d done this bonus just to pander to gross fujoshi and get their money the bonus scene would’ve been Victuri-centric because that’s what actually sells the show. Victor an Victuri merchandise are the most coveted by a landslide. Volume 6 sales numbers haven’t come out, but when WTTM was announced, sales trackers didn’t register any notorious spike in preorders (which did happen after episode 7 aired. Now what could’ve happened in episode 7 to make peope want to buy the show, I’ve no idea, maybe it was an otayuri sex scene that I missed or something hmmmmm)

TL;DR Did you even watch the show, did you even read anything about how it was produced and the people that made it, do you even know anything about its fandom or you just saw outrage on tumblr dot com and decided to show off how safe and pure and correct you are by jumping on the bandwagon without understanding shit.

[katsukiforov-s]

otayuri anti: calls otayuri “otayurgle/otayuck”, bashes it and absolutely anyone that remotely ships it me:

[kimbaejoonie]

okay but biggest problem with this ‘otayuri is evil bc age difference’ thing is that no one addresses why age differences are bad- they are problematic bc of the POWER IMBALANCE that comes with someone being much older/more experienced/higher status than their partner. However yuri and otabek are both on the same level. they have no imbalance. they are both professional athletes who can take care of themselves, make money and are medalists. they are both at the goddamn top of their profession. people dont mature mentally until they are well in their twenties and they have two years diff when theyre teens so they have close mental maturity, as well as the added maturity from being a goddamn pro athlete, similar life experience, same status (yuri probs higher w his gold), both make money, both are famous etc. they have an age diff of 2 years which could be dangerous as it means their could be a power imbalance but there clearly isnt. This isnt a year 10 kid and a guy in university for crying out loud that would b v sus but otayuri do not have that difference in money and status and privilege and power. In fact it would be more problematic for 16 yr old Yuri to date a normal person the same age thats still in school, unemployed, cant travel, no status etc bc they would be pressured by power imbalance feeling they r with someone out of their league with way more freedom to meet other people etc. otabek and yuri are both young and have an equal relationship despite the age difference due to their particular circumstance yo.   

[discoursecatharsis]

Reminder that if you ship Otayuri... that is 100% okay! It’s a cute, pure, wholesome ship between two teenagers, based on friendship and mutual support and admiration for the other person’s figure skating skills. And if you see any posts saying you should choke and die or kill yourself for supporting Otayuri, then you should block that user, because anyone who would tell another human being to die over a harmless fictional anime ship needs to reevaluate themselves.

[otabeautiful]

some ppl need to understand the meaning of unhealthy teenage relationships due to different level of maturity caused by age gaps but who cares about CSA survivors right as long as you guys can jack off to it it's not problematic.

Ah thank you anon, I knew someone would come in my askbox eventually (I didn’t expected it to happen so fast)I think the problem is that the most people assume that a relationship has to come with sexual content. What all the antis seems to forget that it’s not necessary to be intimate with someone.Also Otabek is like 2-3 years older than Yuri, which is a normal age gap. Otabek is not a middle aged man and Yuri not a little child - even when some people like to infantilize him to no end it seems. The age of consent in Russia, Kazakhstan and a lot of other european countries is 16 (in my country (Germany) it’s 14!). So even IF they would have some kind of intimate relationship (which I’m not even implying), it would be legal, and don’t say “he is too young to know what he is doing”. Yuri lives his life almost on his own, he provides for his family and well, he flew to Japan all by himself! Those are things I would never have done in his age and it’s pretty fair to assume that he is much more mature than some people in their 20s. tl;dr: I would never make fun of- or diminsh the trauma of CSA survivors and such but calling OtaYuri a pedophilic ship is just ridiculous

[star-fall-system]

Hey, can we not compare a consensual relationship between two teemagers who are literally only 2 years apart (16 and 18) and both over the age of consent in all relevant countried to actual adults raping actual children? It's very condescending and insulting to victims of pedophiles. Thank you.

[praytriarchy]

what's your opinion on otayuri??

It shouldn’t be as controversial in the fandom as it is. As far as I know, 16 is the age of consent in both Russia and Kazakhstan and even if he were only 15, he’s close to 16 as confirmed by the wiki when the meet. Furthermore, Yuri in the manga explicitly says that he finds the two year age difference between them trivial. He just doesn’t care. He’s perfectly capable of consenting. He’s at a mature enough age. Otabek also isn’t in a position of authority over him. They’re both just teenagers and Otabek happens to have been born two years earlier than Yuri. The pairing Otayuri doesn’t in itself hypersexualise Yuri and even if people did Yuri likely wouldn’t give a shit because of how much he wanted to skate to Eros. He’s comfortable with representing himself that way and he’s clearly proud of Welcome to the Madness and the work he and Otabek put in together.