#papa script

[willthewise85]

3 years since scriptgate btw

[soliamuerto]

if not siblings by blood

siblings by circumstance

[hazlehoff]

was going through my "byers brothers" tag and

this hits different now.

the relief on will's face... comes from a place where will was feeling at one of his lowest because he was ready to give up the one thing that made him feel okay. he was accepting that he will never have mike romantically because to him, mike and el are very much in love. so by pushing mike closer to el (and further away from himself), will was "ripping off the bandaid" for himself

but then, in comes jonathan. his elder brother who was drifting away from him too. but jonathan tells him no matter what happens, he will always love will and be there for him. that nothing will ever change the love he has for his younger brother.

and sure, it's not like that could fill the void of the romantic love will is looking for in his life currently. but man, to hear that somebody out there loves you unconditionally, who doesn't care if you're gay or straight, right when you felt like your life was "full of emptiness that goes on forever"...

jonathan byers saved will byers.

[willbyerssupremacist]

"jonathan who"

jonathan who stayed by your side all night because you were so traumatized from the upsidedown and he wanted to make sure you were okay? jonathan who trusted you enough to tell you about his past and all the trauma his father gave him, and who you trusted enough to do the same. jonathan with whom you share a scar with. jonathan who wanted to support you so bad that he ended up getting fired from his job that he clearly needed because he's poor and helps his single mother pay the bills. jonathan who is letting you go because he wants you to follow your dreams and he doesn't want you to hold back for his sake.

jonathan who had to play dad for will starting at age eight because his own father left them. jonathan who ignored his own feelings and trauma in order to try and fix the mess his father made. jonathan who had a job at sixteen and was working extra shifts to help out at home. jonathan who had to go coffin shopping alone at sixteen for his "dead" little brother. jonathan who had to console his mother who he thought was going hysterical over his brother's "death". jonathan who had to check his father's car for his little brother's body. jonathan who was called homophobic slurs, who had his family insulted in front of him, who had his brother's "death" rubbed in his face, who was compared to his ab*sive deadbeat father. jonathan who always told his brother to embrace who he was, and to not be ashamed of it. jonathan who would never give up on his loved ones.

jonathan who is loyal, jonathan who is compassionate, jonathan who would risk everything for his loved ones in a heartbeat.

that is jonathan, and nobody better forget it ever again.

[hawkinsp0st]

this is actually my favorite part of the script when it comes to byler coding. let’s look closely at mike and el’s actions:

1. he grabs her shoulders.

his first instinct is not to kiss her, not to embrace her even, but to put his hands on her shoulders.

2. the physical contact is WARM AND INVITING; to them both.

forehead touch = platonic elmike !!!!!

“when i stumbled on her in the woods, she just needed someone.”

this “warm and inviting” stage direction HIGHKEY confirms to me that almondmilk is not being romantically coded anymore. not even a little bit. they’re literally having them embrace out of need for human contact. that is NOT romantic; they “just needed someone.”

3. (about the willel hug) their hug is STRONG; neither will let go.

clearly, this is the important hug in this moment, rather than the reuniting of the main couple who is currently in a really serious fight and the audience is wondering whether they’re gonna get back together ????

aka, the focus is mainly on will’s arc, and will’s arc is kinda centered around being in love with mike.

oh, we won. we won so hard it’s not even funny.

[deanismysavior]

4x08 Papa Script Breakdown

Hey everyone! I know we've all LONG been anticipating the Papa Script release, and it's finally here! I have the full script, so I'm going to be breaking down my full thoughts here as to what's going on in the Van Scene and in Mike's reunion moment with El.

Okay, so the first thing I want to clear up here is that the Van Scene is entirely in Will's POV. I know there's been some speculation on Mike's stage directions here, but again, the perspective here skews and distorts the meaning, so hopefully this analysis will give some perspective on what I believe the takeaway from this scene is.

So without further ado, let's jump into the most controversial section of the script first, because this bit has caused a lot of heat, but I don't think it's the bad thing it's been made out to be.

At the beginning of the Van Scene, we get this exchange happening between Mike and Will where Will is suggesting that they have El use her powers in Vegas so he and Mike can sit around and play D&D and Nintendo for the rest of their lives and Mike says "Yeah, totally" with the stage direction here saying "(insincerely)"

This is important to note because the "Uh..." IS in reference to Mike (kind of like a record skip in his head) and the "(insincerely)" stage direction is the ONLY unbiased stage direction we get in regards to Mike's feelings in these scenes. The rest of these interpretations are all Will's POV.

Now, if you've read my Brokeback Mountain × Byler parallels analysis, you'll know that I have talked about the subtext of the rain fight in which Will suggests something similar, that his desired life with Mike is to sit around and play games in Mike's basement forever, that he always just wanted it to be himself and Mike, but during the rain fight, Mike rejects that idea because he believes that the relationship he has with Will, as well as playing games like DnD and Nintendo, is something he has to leave behind in order to grow up. Will believes Mike views him as childish, and then goes to destroy Castle Byers because he feels stupid for wanting that life with Mike.

Will is bringing up his desired life with Mike again in the Van Scene here. He wants to know after they've grown closer again if Mike could be open to that possibility, and so when Mike says, "Yeah, totally," in an insincere way, Will is viewing this once again as a rejection of that desired life. It's WILL who believes he made things awkward and interprets that Mike believes that he is childish for wanting to play DnD, and this acts as a callback to the destruction of Castle Byers and Will calling himself "stupid."

This is why we then get the direction that Will senses the change in the vibe but misinterprets the motive behind it, because Will views this as Mike not being open to the possibility of their playing DnD and Nintendo forever, that Mike is not open to the possibility of WILL, so he interprets that Mike is thinking about El here when he's not.

Though we don't get any indication of what Mike is ACTUALLY thinking about, my guess here is that he just doesn't believe that it's possible for him to have the life that Will wants. Just like in season 3, Mike feels as though he's still expected to grow out of these things, so when Will brings it up, Mike is confused and disappointed because he doesn't think he can have that. If you watch the scene back, the way Finn plays the scene does not line up with the interpretation that Mike thinks Will is stupid for bringing it up. While this COULD fall to acting choices, I think they probably would have directed Finn to deliver it a bit differently if we were supposed to think Mike was scoffing at Will.

So Will shifts the entire conversation over to being about El, not Mike. He's reading his best interpretation of why Mike is upset, and he believes that Mike doesn't want to break up with El and that he's happy being in that relationship, so this is when he decides to switch gears and makes the painting about El instead of himself. Will is looking to rip off that Band-aid.

When we get to this bit where Will shifts the conversation to El, Mike seems to start explaining his insecurity and his own uncertainty about his relationship with El. He's expressing how unbalanced the dynamic feels to him. That he doesn't feel like El really needs him, but Will is missing what Mike really means here. Will is interpreting this as Mike needing reassurance, and in a way, Mike sort of does, but NOT in the way Will is thinking. Mike's thoughts here about El not needing him anymore, "after all this is over," I think heavily hint toward Mike attempting to explain that he's uncertain how El is going to take his truth. That yes, he still wants El to need him, but that he's not the person she needs. Will misunderstands Mike, thinking that he wants El to still need him in his relationship with El, but I don't really think this is the direction Mike's thoughts were going. So when we get this "We've been over this already" stage direction, it's made clear to us that Will thinks this is an extension of the conversation he had with Mike after Mike gets El's letter in El's bedroom, but Mike is actually continuing the conversation that he had with Will on top of the car in the junkyard, "Because what if they don't like the truth?"

And here, Mike is revealing his truth to Will, that his relationship with El was "simple, dumb luck" and not this great destined love story.

So when we get to this part about Mike saying "It's so stupid, given everything that's going on. It's just...I don't know." This scene mimics what Robin says to Steve earlier in this episode, that with everything going on, the stakes of her love life feel spectacularly low. Just like Robin, Mike is feeling selfish for centering his feelings here because he's attempting to look at the bigger picture. He thinks it's stupid to be considering his own happiness or lack thereof because El is about to have to save the world again, and he's putting aside his own internal struggles because he doesn't think his feelings really matter.

And when Will says, "You're scared of losing her," Mike nods, because he IS scared of losing El. But he's not scared of losing his relationship with El, he's scared of losing his place in her life if he puts his own feelings at the forefront here, if he acknowledges that his happiness matters.

So then we get to the painting reveal, and this is HUGE because there's so much that's going on here:

While this is still Will's POV and he's interpreting Mike's reactions, here, from the way that the scene plays out visually, we can tell that Mike finding the painting stunning is genuine, and there's a few things that that says:

1) We get a callback to the DnD line here with the VISUAL of the painting

Mike was NOT rejecting Will's idea of playing DnD and Nintendo for the rest of their lives in his basement because he thought Will was childish, and this proves it: Mike is absolutely glowing at seeing the visual representation of Will's desired life laid out here. Mike has been conditioned to believe that his wants to play DnD and engage in fantasy are something he has to give up, but he doesn't WANT to give them up, and that's so clear because Mike still keeps all of Will's DnD art up in his basement and in his room. Mike joined Hellfire and invested all this time into Eddie's campaign. He wasn't mocking Will, he was sad because he believed he couldn't have this, but now Will is giving him this painting that says everything about what Mike secretly wants, what he's been holding onto since Will left.

2) Mike is glowing because this painting is showing him that he matters

His whole conversation leading up to this scene is about his feeling inferior to El and about his putting his own happiness on the back-burner, but now he sees how he believes Will views him (since this is before Will tells him the painting is from El, which of course, it's not actually), as the hero who is leading the party. As someone who is gallant and brave, not someone who is weak in comparison to Superman or who doesn't matter.

3) Mike is overjoyed because he thinks this painting is from Will.

He's been feeling Will pull away from him since he left Hawkins, and now he's so overcome because he realizes that Will has been thinking about him the entire time and that he's just as important to Will as Will is to him. We know this because Mike follows this by asking "Did you paint this?" and his inflection in the scene is full of wonderment.

But when Mike opens the painting and Will sees his reaction, Will gets scared. He feels the need to backtrack because he still thinks that Mike wants to save his relationship with El. So we then get the stage directions here of Will attempting to "Act cool"

He kind of backs out here. He's trying not to engage with Mike romantically because he's so afraid that Mike will reject him that he's basically rejecting himself. And that's so clear from the further stage directions we get. At first, Will moves closer to Mike when explaining the painting, but that's only because he's using El as a guise and he's trying to get the message across to Mike that Mike does matter, but when Will feels himself start to trip up, to put too much of HIS emotions into telling Mike he matters, he "retreats."

Mike here is maintaining this closeness with Will, in fact, Will has Mike's whole attention, but Will can't really see past his own nose here because he thinks that revealing his whole truth means losing Mike, so once again, Will pushes Mike away, literally turning himself away from the intimacy of this moment, that Mike is completely open to.

Will is doing a lot of projecting in this scene, because Will hates himself, and so he believes that if Mike knew what he was, Mike would hate him too.

So when we get to this little exchange here, I think there's so much that could be going on, and this is perhaps the hardest scene to really gauge the full extent of what Mike is thinking/feeling

There are two main ways I think we can read this:

1) That Mike doesn't know these are Will's feelings

If that's the case, I think he's more confused in this scene because what's being shown to him (the painting, Will's art, and Will's perception of him), is not the same thing he's being told (that El cares about and needs him), which causes Mike to experience the narrative dissonance in this scene

2) Mike gets a sense Will is talking about himself, but is confused that Will believes he could lose Mike

If you've read my other analysis posts, then you know my take is that I believe Mike has always seen their friendship as being lost because Will stopped communicating with him, and not the other way around. So when Will is saying that if he's going to lose Mike, he'd rather do it quick, like ripping off a Band-aid, Mike could be not getting it because he's always been there and he could never just abandon Will, and if we read it this way, then it would nicely mirror what Jonathan tells Will later in the Surfer Boy Pizza scene.

I think either way we read this, Mike is hoping that these are Will's feelings.

He's being reassured here by Will that he won't lose El, but he's also being reassured that he won't lose Will. So it's ambiguous, and Mike is relieved I think to hear both, but he's still somewhat uncertain of the outcome of what Will is trying to say.

So from these deductions, I'm not convinced he was going to tell El he loved her at Surfer Boy Pizza. I think he was maybe ready to explain some of what he was feeling and would have probably asked her about the painting there, so that he could know for sure one way or the other.

Mike is still holding hope here that these are Will's feelings while Will thinks that he just ripped off the Band-aid and that Mike will now be happy with El without his feelings standing in the way.

It's not until the love confession that I believe Mike fully believes that maybe the painting was from El all along because Will is rejecting him and pushing him back to his relationship with El.

Let's digest that for a bit.

Okay? Okay. Now let's move on to the reunion scenes:

The first is between Mike and El:

Notice Mike calls her Eleven here again and not El? I just think that's interesting considering that Mike gave her the nickname El as an affectionate gesture in s1 and now he's consistently referring to her as Eleven throughout s4.... (which, she literally just escaped from Brenner's lab again, so this is 100% intentional mirroring of Mike and Brenner again)

Anyway, El is kind of out of it when Mike gets to her, and there's this interesting pause that happens between her and Mike before she embraces him. Now this COULD be just because she's dazed, but the fact that the stage directions stand in such stark contrast to how she embraces Will I think are telling. This pause I think is hinting to lack of resolution in their relationship, and the "WARM AND INVITING" physical presence here I really think just points to relief that they're both safe and a shared happiness to not have lost one another. It's familiar and comfortable.

However, her reunion with Will is packed with more emotion, not just visually, but in the script as well:

She pauses to embrace Mike but "rushes" to Will. And their shared bond being not of this world....definitely hints, among other things in this script, to Will's supernatural arc next season.

The description of this hug being so much stronger and more gripping than the hug between Mike and El I think also really hints to El's focus: she needs familial bonds. Will feels like home to her. And this is all the proof I need to point toward El recognizing that she's displaced her own needs to be loved onto Mike.

I really believe that so much of this points to a mutual, but separate recognition for both Mike and El that their relationship is not what either of them needs or desires anymore. The only one who doesn't recognize this is Will.

Hope you enjoyed this breakdown! Let me know your thoughts on all of this!

[oh-no-thank-u]

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[ash-the-wise]

Imagine we get the exact same script as the one Nick shared. Idk what I'd do but I would lose it.