Why I Oppose ISuggestForceFem/Misssetrogen/Suggestrogen
+ a Recap on the controversy
This will be my one and only post regarding this.
Let's begin.
I personally choose to think that ISuggestForceFem/Missstrogen is not dangerous by herself, that she's just hopelessly optimistic about harm reduction and empathy, but surrounded by fans, things got bad...
...when she started citing her potentially predatory friends as the reason she believes that society should become more accepting pedophiles.
Her belief being that because some pedophiles never act on their paraphilic disorder – while being demonized all their lives as already-convicted child rapists – that they suffer a similar or identical type of oppression that the Transgender Community faces...
...directly comparing them as birds-of-a-feather as a result.
While at least in theory, this may sound plausible, reasonable, or even worthy of support to those of you who stand against the idea of thought-crimes and preemptive justice...
...things get substantially worse when her most vocal supporters in her original fanbase are active MAPS...
...This-Blog-Kills-TMEs being one...*
[Full list of Predatory Symbols]
...and those like VeryVocallyExpired emboldened by her positivity to become PROUD MAPS...
...alongside ALLEGED CHILDREN who reported feeling similar ways thanks to ISFF.
Whether she thinks that they should just be another letter added on to the LGBT Community, or be given it's own acceptance movement, I don't know. Whether all of this was from her own malice or foolishness, I don't know and I felt it made no difference at that point. THAT was the point I opposed her and made this blog to express that.
I don't know the context of her initial ban from her original ISuggestForceFem account, but that ban inspired her fans – any of whom could be children – to create near-identical lookalike blogs all reposting her brand of forcefem posts en mass to give her a chance to ban-evade somewhere amongst them.
This is likely where most people found themselves supporting her, I believe, as she was seen as yet another transwoman unfairly banned by Tumblr, but one that had a large enough following that her absence started a metric ton of harmless and fun Pink-Haired Anime Girl "Kindly" Suggesting Men and Boys Be Forcefemmed into Transitioning memes.
...and a LOT of rightful annoyance at the overtly sexualized posts being spammed to all those unconsenting and uninitiated.
To prevent her and her fans from taking every possible type of forcefem named blog out there, a few users like isuggestforcedfem and I have taken a few, just to counteract the mob that tiny bit more.
As copy/pasted from an earlier post of mine, and edited to provide further clarification, my stance is this:
I'm neutral para. Pro-harmless para. Anti big three, as I'm uncomfortable with being around them.
While I do support paras to exclusively express their paras through fiction (for theraputic/recovery purposes), I believe that the Radqueer Community has made the problem of internet strangers grooming children far worse by allowing predatory pedophiles a place to hide behind the innocent anti-contact, harmless paras, and intrusive thought paras.
So at my core, I'm Anti-Radqueer/Radpara.
Ultimately, and TLDR:
I do not hate her. I don't even know her, so I will not declare her to be a pedophile nor will I insist that she isn't one either. Just that I hope she isn't one because I just don't know either way.
The blatant support of including children in adult-only spaces, the comparing of Trans people to one of the worst three paraphilic disorders known, and her support of her fans' – I repeat: any one of whom could be children – stubborn insistence to spam those nonconsenting with untagged CNC feminization kink posts to the point where whole blocklists are needed just to get some peace of mind, only to have more pop up out of seemingly nowhere...
THIS is why I oppose ISuggestForceFem/Missstrogen/Suggestrogen.
DM's/Annons/Asks; open (for Annons put the emoji you want it'll be added to the bottom of this post)
I will block freely
/DNI/BFYI
DNI; if you don't like my blog, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, racist, ableist, any other bad thing, Nazi (apparently there's still those in the world) MAGA or trump supporter, ice, or ice supporter.
There will be NSFW, most likely not always tagged, possibly other triggering topics so please be mindful of that.
SOME FREAKY ASS SHIT BE WARNED IM SO SERIOUS 😭 UNCONVENTIONAL THINGS ARE DEFINITELY THERE (age gap, ECT) WILL BE GOING THROUGH IT
LIKES;
Movies, and shows; avatar movies, avatar the last air bender, ocean and nature documentaries, anime of various types, MLP, Ren and stimpy, monster high
Music; any except country and even then there's some good songs
I understand that the subject matter may seem inseparable sometimes, that's why it's so extremely important not to make light of such serious language like anything Big Three related when someone is referring an archetype of fictional character.
It creates burnout in the person reading that eventually becomes an outright dismissal of any and all abuse accusations with "Ugh, they're just complaining about Onimai or Madoka or whatever."
It won't matter if there are real victims vouching for your post, or even if it was posted by one-such survivor, after the reader finds that the likelihood that they'll stop reading and stop caring gets a little higher. Apathy then grows overall.
THIS is why equating fiction with reality is damaging to victims, especially when done so often and so brazenly: because victims are NOT fictional characters.
Victims are not narrative constructs created in someone else's imagination for the sole purpose of providing entertainment.
Victims are not forever-convienent talking points with which internet strangers can gossip about each other.
Victims are not fandom discourse or drama.
Please stop treating them as such, you're causing more harm than good.
Thank you for being proship but also posting about isff. So many people who were spreading info have been truly awful and been currently watching them eat their own in a vicious ourboros. Like people should be mad about isffs unsafe kink practices, transmed ideas, transphobia, butchphobia, interacting with minors, and her push for including peds in with lgbt. Not that fact she had kinks. 🙄
Thank you for this!!
Admittedly, I'm not planning to make any more original posts about her, mainly reblogging the occasional update from those In The Thick of It like I have been.
As perviously stated, I respect everyone who has been raising awareness of this since the beginning, no matter how much they may dislike my opinions on fandom! I get that I walked into something of a powderkeg as an already-lit match, branding my blog as Proship and all in a quasi-literal room full of Antis but I'm still here for a reason. Raising awareness of ISFF and letting those who see my post choose if they wish to support her or not.
I take most issue with her insistence on letting minors mingle with pedophiles, with my belief being that even no-contact types should be in therapy working toward recovering from their paraphilia, most certainly NOT feeling comfortable enough to hop on Tumblr.hellsite to write kink posts with potential children who've lied about their ages to match the Official Aesthetic of their idol.
It's her actions and inaction that I'm opposing here alongside the flagship antis. Thus in regards to ISFF, that's all I'll focus on.
...that got a little long. Might have to put this in the main tags. Sorry you guys. 😓
I'm glad to see there's others who take a nuanced approach of being pro-ship and anti-radqueer.
I blocked ISFF a looong time ago for a post about how "forcemasc is less subversive than forcefem" because in my experience people who treat kinks like they're some kind of political praxis are typically unsafe practitioners at best and predators at worst. (Imagine my shock when ISFF proved this, quelle surprise!).
But I've also seen a bunch of people respond to the situation by likewise treating kinks and darkships as praxis too (I even saw one person saying incest ships and kinks are a symptom of fascism? Which is a wild claim to make). And it's like, this is the exact same shit I blocked ISFF over, trying to make fiction out to be praxis to control the otherwise consensual behaviours of adults.
And it's just frustrating because like, yes we've seen how predators have used kink and profic communities to be predators. But we've also seen how predators will use anti-kink and anti-fic communities to be predators. And in both cases it works via these mechanisms of controlling the sexual and kink expression of others all while the predator portrays themselves as inherently safer for kids/other vulnerable people to be around.
To be honest, I've never even heard nuch about her before all this! Just figured she was another Project Sekai fan until NOPE. THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE IS AT ALL. Asfhds
It's completely understandable why the flagship antishippers in this mess are so militant against ships and kinks though, they've all gone through horrific things that no one on earth should, and they're still here fighting despite all that. I respect them, honestly! Even if they hate and/or block me!
Trauma always invites one's lines to blur, tying harmless fiction that only covers the subject matter of one's trauma directly to those traumatic events. Again, it's not the antis' fault at all that they hate what they hate, and I'll respect their boundries! A few have even mentioned therapy, which I respect twice as much!!
There's nothing you can really do to convince anyone otherwise, it's just good to remind yourself that predators exist on BOTH SIDES of the pro/anti fandom furball. Wherever one is, they must be removed for the safety of everyone.
Never forget that.🫵
And also take care of yourself!!🫵🫵
It's just gonna be a bit of a problem in the long run... I can't get updates on the discourse if they all block me lol
I understand that the vast majority find disgust in my preference in fictional content, be it tags, ship dynamics, music, and/or whole subgenres. Your repulsion is perfectly justified, no matter your reasons. I don't even know your blog name and I certainly can't judge you!
I simply made this blog to create a space for pro creative freedom-anti radqueer adults like myself, and I'm sorry that you've found yourself in the wrong place.
Just remember to fine-tune your internet experience a little better next time, blocking blogs like mine if you find them too discomforting or triggering.
Have a good day regardless anon, and whoever is reading this too💖
