#patrick mckay

[mcpayne]

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don't ask how i managed this one. i still don't really know.

[halbrannatar]

Charlie Vickers is BORN to play SAURON. 👑

The way he answered Patrick's question about why did Sauron cry after killed Celebrimbor and he was hiding himself as Annatar from Morfydd. He's not playing Sauron anymore he IS Sauron. 🙂‍↕️

[hailturinturambar]

Thoughts on J.D and Patrick's interview (PART II)

The year can't end without one more analysis! By the way, I want to do more analysis of the show, but I haven't decided yet, so suggestions are always welcome! This interview is from August, but that's okay. After all, there are so many interviews that I'm almost lost!

Come on, one of the best things about the show, at least to me, is always the prologue. The prologue to the first season has a very well-structured foundation of the Elder Days and the beginning of Arda.

Morgoth's introduction as the First Enemy was brief but still impactful. However, nothing could have prepared me for the breathtaking prologue to season two.

We were all curious about the beginning of Sauron's journey. But the prologue was better than I could have hoped for.

I'm glad they changed it for season 2, I don't think it would have worked very well in season 1. Would they have introduced Sauron mid-season or would the scenes have been cut?

The second season is darker, so I think the dark prologue was ideal. We know a lot about Sauron's past in the books, but not in the adaptations. In the movies, for example, he's just Sauron, the Dark Lord, there's nothing more about him than that.

Well, I couldn't agree more. In episode eight of season one, just like Galadriel, we know that Sauron is the Enemy and that's it. But what do we know about Sauron before his encounter with Galadriel and his path of evil?

I really like that in TROP Sauron is not romanticized, but we are introduced to his past, to the events that shaped him and led him to do everything he did. Only when we know someone's past are we able to understand their actions.

I started rewatching TROP on December 23rd and I'm already at the end of the second season, and they're right. When we watch the first season again, after the prologue of the second season, everything seems different. No scene seems simple or out of place, no word seems meaningless.

We look at scenes in Númenor, for example, and we're like, "Yeah, that makes sense! That's why Halbrand/Sauron behaved like that." It's really interesting. Because I never thought the show would go that way in 2022.

We started and ended the first season with the question, "Who is Sauron?" In the second season, we finally know. Because we get to follow Sauron after Morgoth's defeat and how he tried to rise again. We see how he was betrayed by Adar and spent centuries recovering. And most importantly, we find out how Halbrand ended up on the cursed raft.

Tolkien left some great passages open, didn't he? These long passages of time without information are great for piquing our curiosity. And I don't know if Tolkien thought about them, after all, he had a very long story with many characters, maybe he left that blank period aside.

And I loved how this was worked into the series. Because in the books after Morgoth's defeat and Sauron's refusal to return to Valinor, we don't have much information. I always wondered how he ended up in Eregion or when this idea came to his mind.

I try my best to pay attention to the details in the show, there is always hidden information. And it is extremely satisfying to watch the passage of time in Sauron's transformation. We know from the books that Sauron can return, but we don't know how that process works.

So it's fascinating to watch time pass, the climate change, but Sauron's form also change. From a tangle of worms emerging from a pool of blood, to Sauron's mortal form as Halbrand.

I humbly believe that Sauron does feel pain. When Morgoth fought Fingolfin, Morgoth felt pain and his pain reverberated throughout Middle-earth. Morgoth felt pain because he had been in one form for too long, just as Sauron did. Sauron spent too much time assuming many forms, so why wouldn't he feel pain if a Valar was able to feel it?

In my opinion, the key point in any show or book is the "what if?" What if Sauron felt pain? What if Sauron is capable of having feelings? The what if is the big cherry on the cake that keeps our curiosity and makes us spend hours theorizing about a character.

I think Sauron is capable of feeling everything, whether it be emotions or pain. However, I believe that this feeling is not as we imagine it. It is, as has been said, an ambiguous feeling. We will never be able to understand the extent of Sauron's honesty about what he is demonstrating or pretending to feel.

Now that's a point that keeps me awake! In case you don't remember, I commented on my opinion about the sea monster in my analysis of Sauron and Galadriel.

The sea monster and Sauron is a never-ending question. Because as Payne said, Sauron may have seized the opportunity, or it escaped his reach. Could the Valar be trying to destroy Sauron? Maybe, it would make a lot of sense.

I'll go a little further. The Valar may have sent the monster to destroy Sauron before he could do any more damage. But Sauron is a dark master and knows all beasts, so he may have influenced the monster so that he wouldn't be killed in the shipwreck. So why would the monster attack the raft?

A second attempt by the Valar? Maybe. But I like to play with the idea that Sauron summoned the monster when he recognized Galadriel. That way the humans were eliminated and he had his path clear for deception. I guess we'll never know!

The problem of writing stories as tales of legends is that we miss a lot of things. I say this from experience. Because in my book that I wrote this year, the prologue is a story about more than 200 years about the old times in the history before the first chapter. And a lot of things happened in these 200 years of history. So, if I were to rewrite each passage, a lot of new information would emerge.

This is the big difference between the show and the movies. In the trilogy (or the Hobbit trilogy) the Third Age material is all written, it just needs to be adapted. But in the First and Second Ages, a lot of things are reported, but not detailed.

Giving the Ring to Círdan could involve infinite possibilities, but we don't know them. Personally, I loved the ring story created for the show. All the depth given to the scene and the giving of the rings was a spectacle.

Yes, all adaptations have their flaws and successes. But overall, I am extremely pleased with the adaptation of TROP and the changes or additions made by those involved. An adaptation is never exactly the same as the book, we know that. But what I love about TROP is that we are presented with scenes that make us think, "Oh yeah, that's something Tolkien would have written!"

[fluffycakesistainted]

I think Sauron is a slave of his own ambition. Celebrimbor knows that Sauron's will is tied to the rings and that happens to all of us in certain ways, right? If we're workaholics, we think that our work gives us the ability to go out and control the world but no, we're really slaves of our work. We're slaves of the thing that drives us. Sauron is so driven that Celebrimbor knows he'll never be able to escape from it. […] Sauron eventually pours so much of himself into these creations that his very existence becomes tied to them.

--Patrick McKay - The Rings of Power Season Two Finale Explained (Vanity Fair)

[ringsofpowerconfessions]

"I'm not sure if I'm gay for Disa, or if I want to be her friend, or if I want to be her. Like please, that woman is perfection. A goddess, a queen, a mf icon. Thank you McPayne, for giving her to us!"

[love-and-doom]

No clue how accurate this is but is a good sign regardless We so often hear about how the show is such a flop and that no one watches it

[leotanaka]

i really liked patrick mckay's answer regarding how arondir survived getting stabbed. it was obviously a reference to arondir's comment in the first episode of the series about how elves heal themselves but it's good to have that actual confirmation and the answer really makes sense within the context of the scene and how it was clearly presented.

like, i get that people have this perception that being stabbed = mortally wounded and that 1v1 = fight to the death but it really doesn't and beyond the stab itself, the scene showcases that arondir was simply hurt. he's injured, that's all. he wasn't dying. hell, the scene quite literally ends with adar kicking arondir directly in the face in order to keep him down before walking off as arondir is shown crawling on the ground so, to me it was pretty clear that adar wasn't actually trying to kill him and that arondir would be alright.

also, i really like that both patrick and ismael (in a previous interview) put an emphasis on this arondir vs adar moment being primarily about arondir losing the fight. that's what this is about, that's what makes this momentous, it's not that he might have died, it's the fact that he actually lost the fight. that arondir, who is shown repeatedly to be an unstopped and unbeatable warrior lost. that adar beat him and that he was able to beat him because arondir became reckless, he wasn't fighting with a level head. for the first time, his emotions literally got the better of him and he lost and could've been killed because of it.

[valar-did-me-wrong]

Here's a meme inspired by my sad & angsty in-another universe post :3

comment is from my reddit post about the same thing here

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