Man, talking about the Snape gang reminded me of this take some girl had. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but the gist is exactly the same: "He was no better than the Marauders because his friends—and by extension, he himself—bullied other students. You think a bully doesn't deserve to be bullied? The Marauders were right to do what they did; Snape was messing around with the Dark Arts with his little clique. And don't give me any excuses about him being poor; everyone in Slytherin was a pure-blood from a 'good family,' so that doesn't justify their behavior, and it doesn't justify Snape’s either. He didn't give a damn when Mary got hurt—he thought it was just a joke—but for some reason, when people played those same jokes on him, he wasn't laughing."
What do you think about all that? I just told her to fuck off, basically, but maybe you've got a more detailed take on this
This is kinda boring because i’ve talked about this like 100 times but okay, it’s been a while so…
People who say “a bully deserves to be bullied” are not making some bold moral argument, they’re just exposing that their whole ethical framework is based on bias. It’s playground logic. They’re not against abuse, they’re just deciding who is allowed to be a victim and who isn’t depending on whether they like the character. That’s it. There’s no deeper reasoning there. And the inconsistency is always the same. When it’s Severus, suddenly it’s “well he deserved it.” But when it’s James and Sirius, then it’s excuses, nuance, “they were young,” “they changed,” “they got what was coming to them.” So bullying is wrong… except when their favourites do it. That’s not a stance, that’s just bias.
Then they try to moralise it after the fact with the whole “he was into the Dark Arts” argument, as if the Marauders were running around Hogwarts doing some kind of ethical policing. They weren’t. They picked an easy target: someone poor, isolated, socially awkward, with no real protection. That’s how those dynamics work everywhere, not just in fiction. Rewriting it as some kind of justified retaliation is just them trying to make it less uncomfortable to admit what it actually looks like.
The class take is usually where it completely falls apart. The whole “everyone in Slytherin was from a good family” line shows they either don’t understand how class works or they’re choosing to ignore it. Sharing a label doesn’t mean sharing the same position. Severus is very clearly positioned as poor and marginalised compared to the pure-blood elite around him, and pretending that difference doesn’t matter is just flattening reality to keep their argument intact.
And then they bring up things like Mary Macdonald as if that somehow evens the scale. Yes, he downplays it. That’s bad. No one is denying that. But they use it in the laziest possible way, like “see, same thing,” when it’s not even remotely the same dynamic. Being part of a toxic environment and replicating behaviour to fit in is not equivalent to being systematically targeted by a group with more power and social backing. They erase context because actually engaging with it would force them to admit the situation isn’t symmetrical.
In the end, what these people are doing is stripping everything down—class, power, social dynamics—until all that’s left is “he was bad too.” Because that’s easier than acknowledging uncomfortable things about the characters they like. But once you actually look at who had power, who had protection, and how those interactions played out, the whole argument just collapses. It only works if you ignore how people behave, how systems work, and how power operates. And the moment you stop ignoring that, it stops holding up.