#player theory

[krispdreemurr]

i do wonder if one thing going on with Deltarune is going to be like, incompatible kindnesses. in Undertale by being uniformly good to everyone you can reach the best ending for all of them; if you fill everyone's needs and show them mercy they all more or less unify and work together. meanwhile Deltarune has already shown us a very simple case to the contrary - by being kind to King, Ralsei puts everyone else in grave danger.

but what I'm really curious about is the intersections with the player situation.

ralsei is clearly trying to appeal to us, that much is obvious, while Also trying to be kind to and friends with Kris properly - and Kris quite likely doesn't like Ralsei being kind and friendly and yielding to the thing that's taken over their life! through being kind and accommodating and helpful to the player there's a certain level of inherent unkindness to Kris going on

and Kris themself - do they Want to be the all loving all giving protagonist who makes friends with everyone, including people they pettily dislike? are there going to be situations where by making them act as a people pleaser we stir up conflicts or run into contradictions? is it possible to be kind to everyone in town at once, and even if it is, is it possible to do that while also being kind to Kris?

i dunno. i just think it's Interesting and I'm curious to see if it's something that will develop more

[pemdas-chicken-nugget]

can someone explain to me why I hate Player theory in Undertale?!?!

like... I see it being interesting, it's logical, it has solid evidence, but... i just hate it...

i don't know why, but i can't but feel repulsed and miserable at the idea of it being true, and noone seems to get it the way I do...

[furiosity-wills-the-cat]

“Kris is deeply upset that they are being used as a puppet for some kind of entity that is possessing them against their will” and “the red SOUL and Kris get into fights over which anime character has the coolest hairstyle at 2AM” can and should coexist, because: i want them to, and i think it’s funny, and this is my blog i get to pick the headcanon

[agentravensong]

Kris Message Form

Have you ever thought about what you would say to Kris from DeltaRune if you could have an honest conversation with them? Cause I sure have,

I've been thinking about the player - Kris relationship since shortly after DeltaRune came out, and I know I'm far from the only one. So, for Chapter 1's 4th(!!!) anniversary, I thought it would be a fun experiment to make a form where people can share what they would like to say to Kris if they could have a conversation with them.

The survey is ten questions long (plus a bonus) but only four are required. A few of them will have you choose between pre-determined options; the rest will allow you to type in whatever you want in response to the prompt.

I put a lot of time and thought into this, so I'd highly appreciate it if people shared it around! Feel free to drop the survey link in Discord servers or on reddit or whatever.

NOTE: This form is taking player theory as an assumption and is not factoring in the potential existence of a "third entity". If you're a person who doesn't like thinking about player theory, I'd highly recommend not going through the survey.

[breakmake]

MetaProjections Update

Just an update on the supposed designs for that au I pitched back in May. I may eventually get around to that... but I only have one comic in mind rn. This isn't recent art, it was due to be posted.

[megaderping]

Honestly, I think the best way to look at the relationship between Kris and the player in Deltarune is one that CAN be hurtful to Kris, but can also be positive depending on the choices we take. Kris wishes they had more agency, but there is plenty of evidence that they enjoy their dark world adventures and their friendships.

Essentially, Kris is someone who is unsettled by this situation. I think they relate a lot to Spamton and his desire to be free. But as long as we are kind to Kris, even if they are uncomfortable, they can still be happy. Some players will only do kind things in the game, and that's important to remember when considering the player's role in Deltarune.

They clearly care because they defend Susie from King, participate in the dance with Cap, K_K, and Sweet, and their toasts to Queen are apparently very emotional. Their room in the mansion shows a lot of loneliness, given their search about college vacation. This is a kid from a broken family who's a social outcast and is only now forming genuine friendships. They're weird, and may or may be making some questionable choices, but I don't think they are evil.

What I think is more interesting to consider is which choices are more "natural" to Kris. Certain dialogue yields different responses, and finding out which responses are the most genuine can say a lot about Kris as a person. Snowgrave route is not their true self. They make that clear with... * Kris called for help... Vs. * You whispered Noelle's name.

Just... Kris is a Good Kid.

[uselessundertalefacts]

tbh its strange that ppl ONLY ever bring up the "player is an in-universe character" theory when it comes to the bad routes (no mercy/snowgrave) & never when it comes to pacifist routes. this fandom is so obsessed w villifying themselves its weirding me out (whats next, r they gonna start claiming the player started the monster-human war & sealed the monsters underground??)

Yeah! It would be cute to see stories about the human kids and the player working together to save everyone like Earthbound-style...

[are-you-a-star]

sucks being a vessel sometimes

based on my own little headcanon that we see directly from Frisk's POV during the end of the no mercy route

[ID: Frisk on a background of red nines - the numbers indicating damage. Frisk is tense and visibly tearing up. Across their chest is a huge, visibly bleeding gash, and in their left hand is a knife. Their knife and left hand are covered in blood.]