#undertale theory

[anthonydrawstuff]

Has anyone considered that the virtues/qualities the fallen humans displayed throughout their time in the underground aren't "SOUL traits", but "Gifts", like the ones we can give to our vessel?

Kindness & Bravery are even options for the vessel, too.

Tbh, I don't really think the concept of "SOUL traits" are a thing or an actual property of a human SOUL, and that the traits listed in ball game are rather traits or "Gifts" the fallen humans had. (Tldr; soul traits are fanon)

The red SOUL, or just the color red muddles the concept too, I think, since its always vague and there's a big chance it's not Determination.

The difference between SOUL traits and Gifts would be that a person's behavior isn't reliant on their soul trait, nor is their SOUL color reliant on a trait. In Deltarune the vessel would assumedly have a red SOUL despite having the gift of "Kindness" (which is associated with the green soul).

A gift is just the primary motive/behavior someone might display?

I dunno, this is my theory/take on this now. I think SOUL traits are actually just "Gifts" and don't have anything to do with SOUL colors. The ball game is listing down all the gifts the different humans possessed.

[bluefox-xp]

Sans and Papyrus litterally JUST show up in BOTH deltarune and undertale. Like they weren't in snowdinn or hometown before for a while. Im convinced they're pieces of gaster that split off when he was "scattered across time" or whatever that quote I vividly remember said. Does this make sense to anyone else

[typicalnyan999]

There's a theory about Gaster that I can't stop thinking about. Don't take it too seriously, it's not supported by any serious evidence.

Basically, it's based on the theory that Gaster is a fallen angel. The angel in the prophecy in both Undertale and Deltarune is also associated with the player, at least as far as I can tell. This could lead to the amusing conclusion that Gaster is a former player, lol. I guess you could call it the "Gaster isekai theory", since the gist is that he ended up in the world of Deltarune and Undertale from another world. Considering there's a theory that Gaster is the author of the prophecy, then he ended up in his own creation, lmao.

Deltarune explores themes of escapism, both its good and bad sides, and I think this twist would fit amusingly into the overall narrative of the game. However, again, I haven't really collected any evidence. I also don't claim credit for this idea. I'm sure many people have come up with it. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!

[under-lore]

Some might remember this old post of mine regarding some options for the red soul trait. I feel as though with the release of Deltarune chapter 5, it could be appropriate for me to point out that one of those options, Ipseity, has seemingly now emerged as the large favorite.

This is due to us indirectly learning more information regarding what 'soul traits' mean in general, but also various character and narrative parallelisms pointing towards this answer in the chapter whist the other options all severely lag behind.

I might make a more complete add-on to that post in the future.

[canned-clown-meat]

They never specified the human souls as children in Undertale. Some of they could have been adults or teenagers.

The only references to their size or age is the size of the coffins, and the clothing items being able to fit frisk, but the monsters could have put kids in adult sizes coffins, and the clothes could being oversized on frisk.

The monsters don’t really understand humans since most of them never meeting a human before. And only having 6 humans fell down over what could have been hundreds to thousands of years as a reference point.

[yokofirefly]

why didn't sans help frisk (or the player) at the true pacifist route

some days ago i got into Undertale again and I was seeing the sans fight again and I was thinking (I think someone may already said this but i don't care) when you're in the end of the true pacifist route all the monsters you met during the game come to met you at barrier (I think it was the barrier i Haven't rewatch the true pacifist route im just saying what I remember) and then you find out that flowey was behind that and then he traps the monster and among the monsters there's sans and from his fight we can see that he's very strong so..... WHY DIDN'T HE HELP FRISK?!? we know that in the form flowey was before he absorbed the souls he could still beat him so why didn't he help frisk?

to answer that I have two theories one is funny and the other is more serious

number one (serious one): is that sans fully believed in you at that point he believed that you were a good person and could beat asriel and so he let you do it alone (but in my opinion that was a risky move because the player could just give up and use the reset button or just close the game)

second one (funny one): sans was just lazy as usual and was like "im not in the mood to do this so yeah it's up to then this time" and just let you handle things while he was pretended to not be able to do anything because he was lazy to fight

so yeah that's all I had to say and bye! (sorry if I wrote something wrong English isn't my first language (⁠•⁠ ⁠▽⁠ ⁠•⁠;⁠) )

[swaggyyena]

UTDR Theory spoilers for chapter 5 ahead

the sans we see in undertale is actually the sans from the weird route in deltarune.

Now, he asks us to draw a picture in both routes, we give that picture to him. In the normal route, it’s a photo with 4 people, in the weird route, it’s actually a photo with 3 people. He also gives us bread that “leaves a trail of crumbs wherever we go” probably to find where Noelle and Kris go if they accidentally go out of bounds. Don’t forget that monsters in Deltarune bleed while monsters in Undertale don’t. It would also line up with his lines during the asriel Dreemur boss fight “I gave up on trying to go back a long time ago”

This next thing is a bit of a dumb theory, but.. I think this could lead to us seeing Sans and Papyrus in chapter 7 SNOWGRAVE, right? I feel like something bad is going to happen which leads to Sans and Papyrus going into Undertale, both of them just “showed up one day”

And in that one Q&A thing with Sans and Papyrus, Papyrus describes their past life as a home with a lot of grass, or something like that.