#prochoicetruth

[therightagendablog-blog]

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[josephine-q]

This is perhaps the most comprehensive explanation of what's wrong with the "pro-life" movement I have seen. The one thing it does leave off is that what a woman does with her body is her business, and hers alone, but that sort of goes with the discussion of controlling women.

[ibetmittromney]

The issue is, though, that OBL didn't just commit a crime- he committed an act of war. He's an enemy combatant, and therefore can be taken dead or alive.

An individual can't commit an act of war. Don't be stupid.

[diplomaticbird]

The Torah makes a clear distinction between someone who kills a person accidentally without ever having hated the person (Deut. 19:4), and someone who murders a person by lying in wait for him (Deut. 19:11). Abortion quite obviously falls in the first. G-d commands His people to go to war, to kill men, women, and children many many times. And in Exodus 22:2 we are told that even killing a thief is not a crime or murder. Also, read Psalms 144:1. G-d teaches us to fight. He is not opposed.

It's actually, "Thou shall not murder". There is a different between murdering someone and killing them, in my opinion. "Killing" has room for accidents, which murder (abortion) does not fit into. 

Can you bring some New Testament scripture into this? Old Testament scripture can't always be used because it's contrary to Jesus' new convent and law. 

Also, why do you feel the need to censor "God?" 

[diplomaticbird]

It is a medical procedure. At the very essence of what it is, it is a medical procedure. And no, there is a large difference between how Hitler viewed my people and how we view fetuses- I believe that everyone has the right to their own body and to their own work. The "Jew in concentration camp" and the slavery argument can be made much more convincingly about the mother, in fact. She is seen as nothing more than an incubator, forced to work against her will.

Just because it's a medical procedure does not make it ok. It's morally wrong to end human life. End of story. 

[diplomaticbird]

Actually, you are. My own family lost over 200 people- and that's just on my father's side. 200 thinking, feeling people with lives and histories and hopes and dreams. There is no comparison between that and a medical procedure.

Abortion is far from a "medical procedure", it's terminating a human life. A fetus, or even a baby, is a human life. Thinking otherwise is comparable to how Hitler viewed the Jews. 

Both the holocaust and abortion are horrible. Every human life is priceless. 

[abortionstories]

The Not So Grand and Kind of Silly Story of My Abortion. (Anon please)

So, right at the beginning of this fall semester, going into my fourth and final year of my degree, I took a quick gander down to the Option clinic (Option for sexual health clinics are what we have here in my province in Canada) I was only expecting it to be short visit to get a pap and switch contraceptives. My breasts at the time where being really sore and my period was late but nothing really added up in my head, I just thought it was just me winding up for the impending shark week. I got a pregnancy test done at the clinic anyways though. And surprise surprise! It came back positive. I was 5 weeks pregnant and not pleased at all. Although thank god for being in Canada where abortions are free and you only have to pay a small fee (80$). The nurse was so nice and gave me all the info. I then spent a small fortune on a long distance call to my parents and I made a appointment for two days later. The “cell clump” was in it’s early stages so I got to get a medical abortion instead of a surgical one. One problem… I feint at the sight of needles, and the sight of blood. (I’m just so fragile and feminine!) So, I go to the blood tests the next day and promptly pass out.Twice.

And here’s where things get kind of silly.

The Nurse then writes me down as unfit for needles (a medical abortion is done by 2 injections) So when I head back up to the clinic the Doctor walks in with a glass of orange juice. She took the medication out of both the needles and pours them into the orange juice. I then proceeded to drink the most delicious abortion ever. I literally drank abort-juice. I thought it quite amusing. So then I proceeded to go through the most physically painful two days ever. The pills that make you bleed out the fetus and it’s bloody wrappings also give you the maddest cramps ever and then the heaviest and longest lasting flow ever. In the end buying the larges granny pads ever and re-buying all my ruined pretty underwear cost more than the actual procedure.

So moral of the story, not all abortions are scary and horrible and traumatizing and difficult, mine was easy, emotionally painless and I feel no guilt or shame or anything. Pregnancy is something that happened to me and I dealt with it as I saw fit. Also, a womans body and what she does with it is no business to anyone but herself, especially not the penis who’s only contribution to the whole thing was it’s sperm. 

P.S. Sleep with as many men as you want, fuck all of them if you wish. No shame. And everyone deserves safe free abortions no matter how many penises they’ve slept with.

*From Prochoicetruth 

[classicalliberalleague]

1 Kings 11:3: He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. In addition, Gen 4:19 talks about Lamech's two wives, Adah and Zillah, Jacob had two wives- Leah and Rachel. It's all over the Torah.

And? So? Therefore?

What does that matter to the actual debate and actual issues of this campaign.

It means nothing!

Get over this argument and talk about something that actually matters.