#s2 theory

[kaursblog11]

Everyone's talking about the fact that Wednesday lied about missing her aim when she sliced Tyler's bonds but that's not the important part. That's straight up text—the episode literally ends with her admitting she intentionally "sliced his bonds instead of his jugular."

What's important is the fact that she insulted her own skills. Wednesday Addams, whose main lesson the whole season has been that she keeps ending up in messes because she's arrogant, insulted her own skills for Tyler.

Do you guys remember how when Wednesday went to Rosaline Rotwood she told her she wanted her sight back to save Enid but asked her where the Galpins are instead of asking her the solution for saving Enid's life? Do you remember when Rosaline said that Wednesday doesn't seem to have the same weakness as Hester, instead Wednesday’s falling is her "overbearing arrogance"? Do you remember Rosaline directly contrasting Wednesday's emotionlessness with Hester's weakness of "sentimentality"—of falling in love with a boy and getting married?

None of what Rosaline said was true. We see everything changing after she perceives it. Hester has changed since her death and Wednesday changes by the end of the season.

In that scene, Hester being a romantic was obviously a surprise to us since she'd been talking in a very different way. She'd been talking about how emotions are a weakness, and women like her should be single and forge their own path. She'd seemed similar to Wednesday, but this scene makes them stand on opposite lines. Hester is the woman who fell crazily in love but has now been disillusioned and hates emotions and sentimental things. So what's Wednesday? Well currently she's the girl who is disillusioned with love and hates emotions and sentimental things. But her emotional journey will be the opposite—it'll be about getting her faith in trust and love back.

All of this—the scene with Rosaline, Wednesday asking about the Galpins instead of Enid, Rosaline's words about Wednesday's weakness being her arrogance, and this parallel with Grandmama who seems to have lived the opposite emotional journey as Wednesday are all lead ups to the moment Wednesday saves Tyler. When she sets aside her own pride and insults her skills by saying she "missed" when we know she didn't.

Wednesday does have a weakness. It is Tyler. He is the crack in her monochrome armor.

[fuckyeahgoodomens]

Hi! I questioned our Mr.Gaiman but possibly you can answer my question.

I noticed in season 1 that Gabriel has really unique eyes but I used to think that it's just how they did them.

In season 2 trailer we saw that they are actually glowing. Then...why they are glowing? Why other angel's eyes don't?

Hiya! :) In S1 Gabriel has violet eyes (inspired by Elizabeth Taylor because she in her time was the most beautiful woman in the world and she had violet eyes):

In the S2 trailer amnesiac Gabi doesn't have them:

...it sort of seems he had been turned human.

But then in one scene of the trailer he seems to get them back? - I think this is the glowing you mean, it seems like maybe return of his powers? :)

[xyrnys]

Hear me out I have a theory for s2

Crowley changes his sunglasses. This is a fact not a theory we have official material with Crowley wearing different kind of sunglasses.

Exhibit A: old (s1) glasses

Exibit B: new glasses

I think Crowley will change glasses after a big think™ aka he decides to move in the bookshop with Aziraphale.

We know that the Exibit B is from the Muriel scene which takes place in episode 3 and we know that in this scene Crowley arrives with lots of plants (HE IS MOVING IN THE BOOKSHOP!).

So

Ep 1 -> Shax tells Crowley about the something's up; Crowley talks to Aziraphale and discovers Gabriel in the bookshop.

End of Ep1 or start of Ep2 -> They argue and Crowley filled with rage makes a scene in the street (he literally is smoking and strucks a lighting on Nina's coffe shop xnksnss).

End of Ep2 -> Crowley returns to Aziraphale (I'M BACK!) to tell him that he's moving in. He will not leave his angel alone with Gabriel. They must work together (to avoid the something terrible I'm afraid).

Start of Ep3 -> he's still moving in with the angel, he's slowly moving all his plants. He has new cool sunglasses (maybe to celebrate idk Crowley tends to change style so I think he would change sunglasses after this big thing™).

[archangelween]

Do big miracles preemptively affect reality, including the past?

I think the big miracle each season is following the phrase "Out of sight, out of mind, out of time". Each big miracle in each season seems to affect reality before it happens though.

Take a look at the similarities between seasons. Each bullet point in each season describes the same running thread, ie, the first describes the big joint miracle, the second the running references to that miracle, etc.

S1: Out of time

Crowley and Az take Adam out of time.

Constant references to being late and out of time.

Adam leaves hell, changes reality, removes the time of s1.

Adam doesn't want to rule.

Time ran in the correct order but they were always late, "out of time".

Did taking Adam out of time, and Adam removing time, affect everything in the present AND past to be late, ie "out of time"?

S2: Out of mind

Crowley and Az take Gabriel out of memory, aka mind. He is hidden so they don't know they're looking at him.

Constant references to not remembering things.

Gabriel leaves heaven; his presence snarls time, or does it snarl the memory of it?

Gabriel doesn't want to rule.

Time is messed up and an instance of being early.

Did hiding Gabriel from memory affect everyone's memory, present and past? Is that why flashbacks have elements of the future, like 1941 having Aziraphale's present waistcoat and desk layout? In s1 we were shown that the show we're watching is indeed a show, something recorded by god, like on god's cctv. If time is affected preemptively, then the recording would also be affected. The order we see things would be affected, even if we see things "as they are happening", like on "live cctv".

If the big miracle can reach backward to affect things before it, then does that mean the joint hiding-Jim-miracle should have happened at the end of the show, in e6, instead of e1? Just like the time stop was in e6 of s1?

Predictions for S3

S3: Out of sight

Crowley and Az take Jesus out of ... sight? So nobody remembers he ever existed? Or so that nobody can see him, he's invisible?

References to being unable to see things. We've already gotten some of that with Crowley squinting at stuff and "mass hallucinations" in s1.

Jesus "leaves" earth, finally fixes time.

Jesus doesn't want to rule.

Vision is messed up? Mass hallucinations? Too bright or too dark? Time runs backwards.

Time has been messed up every season, so I think in this last season Jesus will finally put it to rights. It was forward in the first, snarled in the second, so it'll be backward in the last. I am not real sure how the "out of sight" will manifest, or how not-right vision will be realized.

Bonus: face swapping

If big miracle energy causes effects to leech backward through time, does that mean that the face swapping miracle reached backward ALSO? And made Crowley and Aziraphale more similar each other in personality? Or did it mean they shared "essences", and that made them like each other?

If that's true, then they are a chicken and egg problem: did they like each other first chronologically and then swap faces, or did they swap faces first, during some iteration of god's game of life, and then come to like each other on a different go-round? We have evidence that there have been different timelines, different attempts at the same events, which means we've been through these events many times without people knowing they've done it before. A sort of time loop theory. So did Crowley and Aziraphale not like each other in the first go round, swap faces in later iterations, and that caused them to like each other in later iterations? Or vice versa? Or even, did they come to like each other, and swapping faces only intensified that, and that intensity was kept in later iterations?

[tonydaddingham]

A word vomit of GO consciousness that will make the barest scintilla of sense BUT hear me out

1.

Are we 100% convinced that Agnes Nutter and her freaky-deaky prophecies are not going to make an appearance in S2? I realise Anathema burnt them in an excellent moment of character self-revelation but the whole "Ye Saga Continues" seemed rather ominous, far too ominous that it would be forgotten about? Can we be sure that she did have a wee skim of any that would be majorly important, and make a note of them for future reference? Send it on to Aziraphale in his bookshop (because you must be JOKING if you think I don't believe those two are now firm penpals)

2.

Speaking of future reference, others have put it out there and something in me agrees and wishes to reiterate: the parallel of Nina/Maggie alongside Crowley/Aziraphale seems just as important as the specific presence of Nina/Maggie themselves... Does Agnes put out a prophecy that refers to a couple specifically in Soho? And C/A in their infinite and ancient wisdom think it refers to that cute lady couple across the road?

3.

OR, separate thought on Nina/Maggie, in the Crowley Summons Force Lightning Scene™, presuming it hasn't been cut especially different to the actual scene, we see Nina and Maggie in the coffeeshop when Crowley summons lightning... And that lightning hits the shop... So, not necessarily worrying about why had a meteorological temper tantrum, but what was the effect that that lightning had on the ladies in the shop? And is that actually the start of them becoming involved in the story?

4.

I'm 100% convinced that Amnesiac!Gabriel is not even one of, let alone the main storyline. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Gabriel disappearance barely spans more than, say, two episodes. I feel somewhat (don't @ me) that the storyline is a little bit glib and a bit... shallow? Which, given NG has an Intellect We Shalt Never Comprehend, leads me to believe it is a vaguely rose-pink herring and that for the purpose of the trailer and not spoiling anything actually pertinent to the main story arc, they have deliberately centred the trailer on a pretty funny skit that, going by general continuity of the clips used in the trailer, only really lasts a short time and will provide the segue to the main story...? Imho, it's a bit of a downgrade for a story to originally focus on the contextual morality and mechanics of Despatching the Antichrist, to... well.

5.

RESURRECTIONIST PUB. This is the bit I'm really looking forward to, especially now we've had a sneak peak of the article that presumably gets Aziraphale's attention (the Jukebox Jeopardy). I've put it in another post half-jokingly, but this is the same kind of magic (unsure of the nomenclature regrettably) that presumably affects the Bentley. My understanding for the rationale behind the mystical haunting à la Bentley, and it's been a while since I read the book so might have this completely wrong, is that through exposure to Crowley, it is affected by Crowley's demonic influences... Nothing awful, but has absorbed enough to have adopted the Queen-obsessed IDGAF attitude.

It would therefore stand to reason that the jukebox is being effectively influenced by a demon in a similar way....? So, with that in mind, what if (and it's a leap, I grant you):

-Gabriel gets kidnapped by demons, God only knows why (and probably orchestrated the bloody hoohah)

-Gabriel escapes/demons forget to lock the door/cast a spell on him and send him off bollock-naked unto the misty London night

-Heaven eventually track down Gabriel at the shop, and possibly enlist Az and Crowley to help them find whoever did this to Gabe (for a good ole-fashioned Retribution)

-They track them down through various news articles (which, let's face it, is very Witchfinder Army of them, I'm proud), but especially one that leads them to the Resurrectionist pub and its Jukebox?

QED: Think it's a little coincidental that one perceives a Bentley and a jukebox with the exact same symptoms, potentially instigated by long-term exposure to a hell-raising demon, and not conclude as being tangentially related

6.

This is kinda related to the above but not really and I have no idea what I'm trying to get at, but one thing I noted in the Con panel audio clip of Muriel and Aziraphale is that Az... Doesn't really seem surprised by Muriel being there? Like, sure, she's not a Horrible Boss Archangel, but he almost seems immediately... affable, to this random angel just appearing at his shop, in full white Met Police kit, talking like they possessed an original Bow Street Runner...?

Cmon, he obviously knows straight away what they are and why they're there, but he just seems so... Calm, about it all? Not one bit anxious, not one bit worried that they're there to spy on him? Almost definitely on orders from Heaven? Who, whilst Az has broken away from them, could still very well destroy him or, worse (?), put him on the one way train to Falling? So what I'm trying to say I guess (honestly I'm not even sure) is that - have Az and Crowley actually been seeing more and more angels/demons coming to Earth for a lil vacation? Have taken a metaphorical leaf out of their book, and decided to find out if Earth truly does Slap?

I no doubt will continue to add to this but in the meantime I will proceed to scream into the abyss in the hope that an echo bounces back and metamorphoses into an Intelligent Thought™, such is my preferred form of meditation

Ciao for now~

[cwdumptruck]

Jon's "Unlikely Mentor" will be Sam Lane

Think about it. Clark and Lois’s response to Jon wanting to learn to protect himself has always been: “Don’t worry, we’ll protect you.” Steel made it clear last season he wasn’t interested in teaching him and now with his daughter back in the picture, he ain’t got the time. In comes General Lane, stars and stripes galore. The dude’s basically been trying to get Jon to enlist since last season and now that he’s retired, he has nothing better to do than try to turn his grandson into G.I Joen.

[frostybirdgoddess]

Episode Theory time!

Special thanks to @pinkpearlapple for providing me with the picture I couldn’t find! Onward ho!

SO, a while ago this picture:

was floating around the DT fandom and people were speculating if it meant anything, because under Main Characters is Baby Dewey, which is just odd because why would Baby Dewey count as a main character is he’s different from regular Dewey? Well, after connecting some dots I firmly believe there will be an episode where Dewey is de-aged while on an adventure. And here’s what’s backing me up:

Young Glomgold! Young Glomgold was shown off as part of a sneak peek for Season 2. Granted, Lil Glommy could just be in a flashback BUT you know who else was shown to be part of Season 2??

This gal, who is said to be the new head of Glomgold Industries in Season 2! Now after seeing Glomgold’s greedy attitude in Season 1, it doesn’t seem likely that he would just willingly hand over his company to someone else. And what’s one reason why someone would be disqualified to run a company? They’re under the legal age of adulthood.

All of this in mind, my overall theory is this:

Dewey and Glomgold are accidentally set back in age after touching an enchanted artifact.

By the end of the episode, a cure is discovered and used on Dewey. The cure is offered to Glomgold but the new head of his industry keeps it from him so she can remain in charge.

EDIT: @lesbiandevildonald pointed out to me that at SDCC the crew said Glomgold would be getting a flashback episode to delve into his character and give him some good ol’ development. Because of this, I no longer believe Dewey’ll be de-aged.

[roocoodoo-blog]

Ok so I may be seeing things and I DEFINITELY need to rewatch 2x01, but I have a theory that I'm not sure has been proposed yet.

Wendimoor was created by Suzie, otherwise known as "The Mom."

I forward this theory due to multiple pieces of evidence, the first being her desk. In a few scenes where we get a frontal shot of her desk (mostly during her scene with the Mage, I believe), we see little figurines that look either like tiny houses or a castle. This could simply be a coincidence or a misinterpreted detail, but, as literally everyone associated with DGHDA ever has said, everything is connected. They coujld be part of her little fantasy and also how the Mage knows her name (though that last detail could easily be debunked for a good number of reasons).

Another reason is her ease in using magic. Before she ever interacts with anything magic ever, she is already able to summon the wand to her hand as though she were freaking Luke Skywalker on Hoth. Not to mention she casts a spell practically without even meaning to, which is pretty incredible. Knowing what we do, it looks like only some people are able to use magic since the one brute who was about to kill Suzie was unable to cast the spell. It would be safe to assume that, being the creator of Wendimoor, she would be able to use magic (even if she was not originally from there).

This was just a little idea I came up with while watching the premier for the first time today, so some of my details may be off. Thoughts?