I don't think Alec knew for sure that Magnus wasn't going to be able to just pop back like he did in 310. Magnus didn't explain his plan to him. I think Alec started crying because Edom is just a dangerous place in general. Even though Magnus has royal blood. Alec fell to his knees in devastation when he saw the rift was sealed and Magnus wasn't back yet. I think that's how Alec found out Magnus couldn't just pop right back. Because if he could, he'd be back already.
Oops, I just had a chance to rewatch the scene, and I got the timing of the scene a little wrong. Alec was already crying on his knees before the rift was sealed. Also the writer tweeted that the original cliffhanger for 3x20 got moved to the beginning of 3x21 and he hinted that it involved Edom. Maybe that cliffhanger would have explained the situation more?
That’s what I’m assuming, yeah. Let’s theorize what the cliffhanger-that-was-promised was, shall we?
I think it’s Magnus in Edom, just after closing the rift, trying to open a portal just for Lilith to show up and be like “Do that, son of Asmodeus, and it will open again.”
Is the double-line right after Alec makes his spatula crack.
Magnus asks if the box “is still an issue for you”. (Not us, just Alec.) And Alec agrees. It’s MY issue.
Like he believes he shouldn’t feel this way, like he has no right to feel this way, like he shouldn’t be burdening Magnus with his reaction, and I honestly think most of the anger in that spatula comment was aimed at himself, not Magnus.
Put it in your box because it’s doing better at this than I am, at least if all you’ve got is a memory it won’t keep doing things wrong.
And Magnus didn’t notice, because Magnus thinks he understands why Alec is upset about the box, but I don’t think he does, not really. Alec’s emotional reaction to things is almost never what Magnus thinks they’re going to be.
But Magnus is old, and he’s learned things in his life, and he’s had this conversation before, and it’s probably always gone about the same way, so he can’t see the ways that this one is different.
Which leads exactly into what little of the argument we’ve seen so far. They’re saying entirely different things to each other! And Magnus is reacting to what he thinks Alec’s not saying, and Alec is reacting to Magnus’ assumptions, rather than either of them hearing what they ARE saying.
/it’s great and mature and in character and #everything hurts
Also lots of people are saying they think a Malec proposal or wedding would be rushed. But really none of us know if it’ll feel rushed or not. We don’t know if there’s going to be some type of time jump. And even if there isn’t a time jump it’s best to just watch the show. If you want to complain after the episodes have aired that it was too rushed, have at it. But at least give the show a chance.
Also, since the show was cancelled we may never have another chance to see a Malec proposal or wedding ever. While the showrunners and cast want it to get picked up there is no guarantee. And I would rather get a Malec proposal/wedding that is more “rushed” than to have none at all.
I swear if they have Magnus in Edom for all of 3B like in CoHF then I’m gonna cut a bitch I need malec to reunite at the end of 3x10 or someone’s gonna pay
If Magnus winds up going to Edom soon because he feels responsible for the love potion and Clary’s soul being taken, and wants to find a solution that way, I am going to cry and throw something
What I like about this is that Alec has not considered that Magnus is not invincible and can be killed. It’s going to be a shock when he realizes that Magnus may not survive Edom. It will make the immortality talk irrelevant.
...He [Magnus] really has deal with ramifications from season 2B: siding with the Seelie Queen, and getting all the warlocks behind him... (x)
So, the spoilers to s3 are implying that Magnus may lose his title of the High Warlock of Brooklyn.
The main fanon theory (and I agree with it) so far is that the warlocks may not be happy with both Magnus’ decision to side with the Seelie Queen, and his personal relationship with the Head of the Institute, aka the person who lied about the Soul Sword. So, here comes Javier Muñoz’s character Lorenzo Rey, the warlock, who may or may not be Magnus’ predecessor (as some theories say, the “Being the High Warlock meant everything to him” line may refer to Lorenzo, for all we know), and he attempts to take over the title from Magnus.
It’s a very plausible theory and the one that will probably turn out to be canon.
But what is with the status of Magnus’ deal with the Queen, after her aiding Valentine? Is it still on or is it off?
In 2x19 Magnus said that he made some official deal with the Queen, where he, supposedly, pledged loyalty on behalf of the Warlock community. Did they sign some legal papers (contract)? Did Magnus make a blood oath? Was it a verbal agreement? But, most importantly, what was the exact wording of that contract? And what are the legal (for the lack of the better word) consequences for breaking the deal?
Knowing the Seelie’s cunning nature, and the fact that the Queen had an upper hand in that situation – after all, it was Magnus who needed her help, not the other way around – it’s probably safe to say that the nature of the deal didn’t discuss the possibility of the Queen siding with Valentine. So, technically, her betrayal doesn’t necessarily mean that the deal is automatically “off” and isn’t “legal” anymore, after the events of 2x20.
Obviously, from our point of view, Magnus has all right to consider himself free of any obligations after the Queen’s betrayal... but is he? Even if he is free personally, is the Warlock community, on behalf of which he made the deal, free from these obligations as well?
Now, let’s look at this situation from the point of view of the Queen. She clearly wants to unite the entire Downworld under her own wing. She was very much enjoying her power at the emergency meeting of the Downworld Council in 2x19, where she made the other three leaders keep their silence, and let her do the talking on their behalf. The thing is, she wasn’t showing off her powers to the shadowhunters / Alec only, she was also displaying her power to the other three – Raphael, Luke and Magnus.
And considering that Magnus was the one she openly treated like her lapdog – not letting him answer Alec’s question and making him leave with her right after the meeting was over, it’s safe to say that neither Luke, nor Raphael made any official long-term deal with her like Magnus. Sure, they kept their silence at the meeting (hence Magnus’ offer to drink in the scene prior) but it didn’t look like they went into direct negotiations with her.
Now, it seems like the Queen went into great lengths into grooming and manipulating already emotionally vulnerable Magnus into making a deal with her... on behalf of the Warlock community of Brooklyn. So, the question is whether she wants Magnus, the powerful warlock, the son of Asmodeus, at her side, or her ultimate goal is much bigger and it’s not him that she wants, but his community under her power?
The similar question concerns her relationship with Simon – does she want him as a Daylighter, or does she want him as a potential leader of the Vampire community? After all, as we had seen in s2B there are a lot of vamps out there who would’ve loved to join Simon, had he ever decided to form his own clan. Many vamps from Raphael’s clan were ready to betray him for Simon.
The Queen is a power-hungry immortal monarch with an absolute power within her own Court. So, it would make sense if she wants to become even more powerful having not just the Seelies as her subjects, but also the other two immortal races – Warlocks and Vampires. One of the ways to achieve this is to have the leaders of these two races under her little thumb – given that they’re all immortal it’s a very long term deal, that benefits her in every way (also would explain why she doesn’t seem to be much interested in werewolves, given that they’re mortal).
So, returning to Magnus’ ordeal, it’s understandable, if the warlocks in his community would be less than happy upon finding themselves bound with whatever legal (or whatever other) obligations to the Seelies.
On the other hand, can it be that the deal may have given the Queen the rights to intervene into Warlocks’ internal politics? If so, considering that Magnus is no longer loyal to the Queen, theoretically, it would make sense, if she wanted to change the High Warlock, and have in that position someone, who’s a lot more willing to cooperate with her. Similarly, the same way with the Vampires – instead of wasting time on grooming Raphael, it’s easier to go around, and make a rival Vampire leader out of Simon, the Daylighter.
Then again, of course, this is just a wild theory (and I am overanalyzing and overcomplicating things); it all depends on what was the exact wording of Magnus’ agreement with the Queen, how much power [over himself and / or his people] did he give her exactly - in exchange for her providing refuge for warlocks in case of the mass genocide.
When you picturing Malec reunion or back together, how you see it? I just cant decide, part of me want Alec go easy and understanding but there's a part that want to see Magnus squirming and unsure a little for making my baby cry.. lol
You know, these next couple episodes are going to be so packed, I’m having a hard time envisioning how they’re going to do the Malec reunion. I don’t want to see Magnus apologetic or squirming, because like I said in my recap, his point is 100% valid. If Alec disregards duty and chooses Magnus, he’ll face censure from his people. If Magnus disregards his duty and chooses Alec, he’ll face genocide. So it’s a lot easier and safer for Alec to say “we can find a way to work things out and have it all” than it is for Magnus, because the stakes he faces if they fail are not equal.
So I think the Malec reunion needs to have two key elements before it can ever happen.
1) Magnus has to see that whatever the Seelie queen has in mind is potentially more disastrous for him and his people than the neglect, paternalism, hypocrisy, and bigotry of the Clave.
2) Alec has to break with the Clave and stand up for the Downworlders against them. Magnus won’t be willing to side with the Clave. But he will stand beside Alec, if Alec decides to place himself as a shield between the Clave and the Downworld.
And that act, that gesture of Alec’s, is what is going to reunite them. Alec will make it explicitly clear that he is willing to prioritise Magnus and the safety of the Downworld, and if that’s the case, then Magnus will see maybe Alec is right, maybe they can have it all.
