#snowjayhunter

[frostythekillerdoll]

You never got your champagne.

[livesonaloop]

How Hunter heard the 2x13 conversation

I mentioned this in my last post, but I believe that throughout season 2, Hunter frequently has entirely different conversations in his head than the ones he has with other people out loud. I'll try to do it for every episode, but my minds on 2x13 (welcome to earth-2) so I'll translate my favorite scene from that. Without further ado, what Hunter and Caitlin actually SAY crossed out vs. what Hunter is internalizing it as one way or another. (What he's internalizing it as or is leaving out will be in parentheses). Hunter: Caitlin, I like the way you look at me with warmth and pride. And I'm not---I'm not worthy of those. Caitlin: Yes, you are. (I don't care what you've done, I love you regardless.) Hunter: No, I did a terrible thing, Caitlin. When my world's particle accelerator went off, I became a speedster. I became the fastest man alive, only---only it wasn't enough for me. I wasn't fast enough. So I figured with my scientific background, I could increase my powers. (When my world's particle accelerator went off, I became Zoom. I ruled my world, only it wasn't enough. I wasn't the best. So I experimented on myself so I could increase my powers.) Caitlin: So you've taken Velocity-6 before? (You've taken Velocity-6 before? You're Zoom?) Hunter: Yes. But there were some unforeseen side effects. Caitlin: This is why you didn't want Barry to take it, or even know about it. Zoom never stole your speed. This is what's making you sick. Velocity-6 is killing you. (Zoom never stole your speed, you ARE Zoom. And you're dying.) Hunter: I wasn't lying when I said that stuff was dangerous. I've made so many mistakes. (I've made so many mistakes. I'm going to die soon, just when I'm finally feeling a human connection. You probably hate me.) Caitlin: You have something now that you've never had before. Me. And I'm gonna figure this out. (I love you regardless. Nothing has changed. You'll always have me, I'll never abandon you. I'm gonna figure out a way for us to be together.) Basically, Hunter hears whatever he wants to hear when talking to Caitlin. Blah, blah, blah boring backstory stuff.

[defloweredandlambish]

Hunter definitely did...care for Caitlin, do not get me wrong. And I do genuinely believe that he believed that he loved her. But I do think it was in the same way he loved being E2 Central City's hero. He loved to be placed onto the pedestal of a hero the same way he loved Caitlin placing him on a pedestal next to her father and Ronnie. He loved that from the beginning of their relationship, he was constantly "saving" her, both from actual physical threats and from her own emotional distress and damage. He loved that she looked up to him and saw the hero that he and his mother saw in his own father before the incident, in the same way he loved that the people of Central City saw his father's War helmet as a symbol of peace and justice.

[f0xgl0ved]

so I have many, MANY AU's focused around them. because im mentally ill, a favorite of mine is one where they are similar ages (~16) and are both sent away to catholic boarding school sometime in the retrofuturistic 1940s similar to earth 2 society. Hunter still has the same backstory and sociopathic urges, Caitlin still has mommy issues. They have a codependent sociopath4autist relationship. Chaos ensues

[frostythekillerdoll]

“... Jay? W-What’s... hah-happening—” She reaches out to him, for comfort. For safety. So he’ll save her from the confusing, loud, wet noises that won’t stop in her ears. He’s Jay Garrick, her hero. Her boyfriend that’s so nice about her need to take things slow. Her fingers go on his shoulders. He’s assured by how slow her movements are. Her pretty doe eyes are wide, but fluttery. Recognizing only him and nothing else. Nothing about what he’s putting inside of her, over and over. He can see himself in those eyes. His eyes are black, now. Zoom’s eyes. “My cock’s in you, Cait. Mm, fuck, my cock’s finally in you—” 

you were my girl, my thing, my pet (to do anything i wanted with). 12k

[frostythekillerdoll]

"Why are you keeping me here? You're cured. You don't need me for anything."

"You're here because I love you. It may take a while, but someday, you'll start feeling that way about me again, too."

"I am never going to be with you."

"You think that you're not like me, but I've seen the darkness inside of you, Caitlin. Just like it was inside Killer Frost. All you have to do... is unlock it."

"Now, I need to know... Are you with me, or are you against me? Don't answer that yet."

foxcry - rabbitology, the flash 2x19, rabbit heart (raise it up) - florence and the machine, bred in captivity - alison kronstadt, bettie i'm your man - mitski, page and the wisdom of old age - anne champion, the flash 2x20, the flash 2x21, the death of peace and mind - bad omens, sarah kane

caitlin/hunter + breaking her down to rebuild her in his image.

[livesonaloop]

Hunter Zolomon, 2x13 & 2x14 Analysis

2x13 and 2x14 (welcome to earth-2 and escape from earth-2) are arguably two of the most interesting episodes in season two in regards to Hunter's character and his relationship to Caitlin/being a hero. This will be in two parts! Sorry that this is word vomit.

2x13: Hunter starts the episode off by giving Barry a piece of advice for venturing out into the multiverse-- "do not let yourself get sucked in emotionally." Immediately after, he dives to save Caitlin from getting smashed by one of the breach stabilizers. Interesting...another thing to keep in mind is that Hunter is aware he has hours left to live, and that the very thing is tasked to fix is what will facilitate his death. Not only that, he is working on it with Caitlin, the person who convinced him to stay in the first place. And, sure, back then it might have been phony---but this episode is where I believe he begins to realize the actual depth of his feelings and the gravity they hold. He's already agreed to die but I think this is the episode where he feels real, genuine humanity for the first time in a long, long while. And I think it scares and confuses him, to the point that even he needs an outlet for all of this. Remember, he is a low functioning sociopath, so the fake-sane acting persona crumbles under pressure (will prob expand on this in a later post dedicated to all the moments I believe he slips up). . He even says it later on in the season. Playing Jay is exhausting.

Thus, my personal favorite scene from 2x13 when Caitlin follows Hunter after his argument with Joe. He virtually confesses to being Zoom, in his own way. He has an entirely different conversation with Caitlin than the one she believes they are having (he does this quite often in the show), possibly so his brain can physically handle the mental weight of years upon years of lies in the face of imminent death (even if he may not value his own life as much as he does winning). "Caitlin, I like the way you look at me. With warmth and pride, and I'm not---I'm not worthy of those. No, I did a terrible thing, Caitlin." is an entirely true statement. I'll do a full translation later, but with a few tweaks, he tells what is almost the full truth to Caitlin in this conversation. Maybe this helps stabilize him, her continued vows of support even when---in his mind---she knows that he has committed monstrous crimes. "You have something now that you've never had before. Me. And I'm gonna figure this out." And then she takes his hands, and it is something like forgiveness. (This is where I think the absences of Barry, Cisco, and Harry are impacting his mindset. The MAIN reminders of his overarching plan and what he wants + his main obstacles are gone, leaving him with his lover...and Joe, I guess. Like I mentioned before, Caitlin is the only person I believe he ever truly (figuratively) 'unmasks' to throughout his time as Jay, so I believe he feels more comfortable. I head canon Caitlin as autistic, so they sync up pretty well. Basically, he is able to express what he is thinking, project onto her, and plan without fear of adversity or her finding out, whereas when the whole team is around, the Jay Garrick persona is locked in TIGHTLY.) Of course, much of earth-1's section of the episode revolves around Hunter returning to the role of the Flash (or the Crimson Comet lol). Obviously, knowing that he's a serial killer in sheep's clothing, his hero persona is childish, cliche, and one dimensional (much like his initial Jay Garrick persona). My lord, he looks so proud of his performance. It's also interesting to note that he puts himself in harms way to save others more often in this episode. He's a real, authentic hero who save the day and gets the girl. I think that is genuinely what's running through his mind when he returns home. He could have this life, couldn't he? Someone else to sanitize his road rashes and concoct his speed serums? Maybe, deep deep deep deeeeeeeep down, he is a little jealous like Barry implied in 2x6. Then, Caitlin reminds him he must fix the breech. And he's reminded of his imminent death. And it IS imminent, isn't it? Well, maybe not. He didn't have to stabilize the breech. Not really. And THAT is what I believe the basis of his internal conflict in 3x14 is...that desire to go against his plans and throw it all to the wind.

[frostythekillerdoll]

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