#spn thots

[synesindri]

if i was still in this business i would take up a new stance that lucifer wouldn't have done all that in later seasons because lucifer is a character who cannot be fucked to get on with effortful tasks such as complicated tortures

[fandom-hoarder]

I am forever thinking about this moment in 15x13 Destiny's Child

1) We assume the car is THE car, the impala, Baby; and in context wtf else CAN we assume? We've seen some vehicles in the bunker but no other car that Dean cares about enough to get angry

And

2) the sequence of scenes sure makes this feel like Dean is rushing them off as soon as they get back (albeit they're back in their own clothes)

But

3) TFW took the impala with them to get the Occultum

HOWEVER

4) it honestly would've made more sense plotwise for them to leave the impala in the bunker and take a different car; they should know by now that Chuck sees the car as his special character also

And, all that set aside...

The way this possible writing gaffe opens up the possibilities of og-verse Sam and Dean and Huntercorp Sam and Dean cohabiting long enough that Huntercorp Winchesters can joyride Baby 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

[mattimus]

Dry but not arid

I love Castiel's sense of humour. His desert-dry autistic rizz that just occasionally switches mode into playfulness. He really commits to the deadpan angel bit for a full twelve seasons and that's the mark of a true seraphic wit. Immortality means you never have to rush the payoff to a gag.

Thematically, of course, this ties in nicely with Castiel's other enduring character trait of being thirsty as hell.

[wigglebox]

Okay Chuck won theory

That means Amara and Jack are still in him right???

Here's what pisses me off about Amara' story

She was happy, she liked her life, she was doing fuck all and LOVING IT

Why in the FUCK did she give up all that in the end??? Why is she "gone" inside Jack?

If that's Chuck inside Jack then Amara knows and she's gonna fight her way out THIS IS MY TRUTH

yes! also sorry for the late response i always ALWAYS forget to circle back on my messages but yes!

and i agree that it seemed to be a little TOO easy to get Amara [in the perspective of Chuck] and Jack would, I hope, still be there. If not, then Jack is most likely in The Empty.

Regardless, the thing walking and talking looking like Jack is not Jack. To me there's just too much evidence pointing to that, and with 15x20 it was kinda easy to also go "well, maybe COVID some how—" but naw fam they put him in The Winchesters and it was WEIRD but like in a good way. And one of those weird things is that if that was Jack, would he not try and find a way to get Amara back out?

And yes it is my UTMOST DESIRE that she would fight her way back out! Idk how, I know it was like, Chuck absorbed her? Eew, but you get what I'm saying — however it is my UTMOST DESIRE for her to like, somehow fight back and fight her way out.

It's all I want lol.

[dianaprinceownsmyass]

everything is about the cw's supernatural, except the cw's supernatural, which is about a better supernatural that exists in all of our heads

[synesindri]

do i have a lot to say about fem!lucifer as a symbolically interesting concept? yes. do i perceive any of the spn archangels as identifying with any particular gender? no

[synesindri]

lucifer gender symbolism essay masterpost

have you ever gone “huh that’s interesting” about lucifer supernatural appearing as a woman in white a lot of the time? have you ever been watching endverse and gotten A Vibe? have you noticed people referring to lucifer by she/her pronouns for no apparent reason? do you want to spectate while someone online acts deranged about some niche old shit? well do i have the post for you!

this is my thesis on fem!lucifer aka she/her lucifer aka “the devil wears nighties: a supernatural phenomenon” aka whatever else you want to call it. a long fucking essay exploring why i have been so hung up on this concept forever. it won’t be totally comprehensive, but all the sections together are like 13k words long, so it’s uhhh comprehensive enough to be annoying.

the sections are:

mostly non-spn background, context, & caveats

gender in supernatural

the dead nun

women in white

white women

mothers vs fathers

daughters vs sons

jarpad and mark p’s acting styles

sexual connotations of “vessels,” stabbing, and holes

villain gender in supernatural, comparisons

villain gender in supernatural, effects

they are mostly stand-alone, so if you want to skip some parts or skip around, the individual sections should be easy enough to follow.

the full essay is also on ao3 here

notes

my view on spn angels is that they are essentially non-gendered, or gendered in a way that has no resemblance to how humans are gendered. i am not attempting to argue that lucifer IS a woman, or that lucifer is meaningfully feminine. this is all about frames of analysis, that are difficult to avoid due to the non-human characters all being played by human actors who present and are most readily interpreted, typically, in a (binary) gendered way. i don't approach lucifer or any of the other angels as being intrinsically gendered, but as symbolically gendered.

i am focusing on a fem reading of lucifer because the masc reading seems to be more widespread in the fandom. since the more fem interpretation is not the default but is (imo) just as viable, it feels worthwhile to address it directly like this, since it also adds something to how the character comes across/how lucifer reads as a character and an antagonist.

i will sometimes rely on gendered (and sometimes cissexist) symbolism established in spn and modern culture more broadly, and some historical sexist tropes. i have done my best to address these topics with care, but i have sometimes chosen succinctness over thoroughness in being critical of the underlying misogyny and cissexism inherent to some of the symbolism. 

there will also be some discussion of other sensitive topics. i have put content warning notes around the major ones so you can skip those sections if you would prefer.  

this whole thing has a heavy emphasis on kripke era. it is what it is.

pronoun usage for lucifer is going to fluctuate kind of randomly between he and she. i don’t THINK there are any “It” uses thrown in here, but you never know.

i hope that it is abundantly clear throughout this essay that this is not terf shit, but i'm saying it up front anyway.

[synesindri]

if you throw out everything non-human about supernatural and just look at it as a "family is hell" show then michael represents dean fully succumbing to what his father wants from him even past the point of reason, and lucifer represents sam leaving the family in a way that causes a major rift that feels like the end of the world. the true vessel plotline is about a lot of things including sam struggling with loss of autonomy, but there are at least a few ways of viewing it where it's really about the consequences of him enforcing his own autonomy, accepting a villain role, and alienation/condemnation from his family in exchange for not doing as he's told anymore