#syscourse ish

[xx-hyper-cryptid-xx]

unfortunate amount of anti-endo discord servers l8ly on disboard :(

like, even as a disordered traumagenic system we feel safer in pro-endo spaces so it's jus rlly discouraging to see so many who r against them there

we arent even involved in syscourse and go w syscourse uninvolved as a stance but like- idk man syscourse is tiring can't we all just be friends :/

[actuallypolyfragmented]

1) hi! i have a question re: your post about how to refer to parts that present as poc internally. i understand they can't insert themselves into spaces for or speak over poc and should be mindful of the fact the body is white and that they lack the cultural background. however, often appearance and traits of parts aren't accidental but symbolic or integral to their function within a system, i.e. it made the child feel safe or it was important to "be someone else" or "look different" from the

2) from the child, with the child's brain automatically filling in the details based on whatever information it had available at the time, incorporating aspects of real life poc they knew, sometimes stereotypes etc. i was wondering how you could be mindful of both these things (not appropriating on the one hand + acknowledging/ valuing the importance having a part who mirrors a certain ethnicity or identity may hold), i.e. how do you "bridge the gap" between authoritatively and unquestionably

3) and unquestionably saying "i am/ this part is black" as if it were fact (which would be inappropriate) and expressing a part belongs to a different ethnicity etc. while being aware they lack the lived experience and nuanced understanding? is saying "they are black inner world/ present as black" or "in their mind they are x because of y" ok to say? saying "they look like (insert characteristics)" without acknowledging the internal connection doesn't sound right to me either. hope the question makes sense!

I don’t think “black in inner world” or “presents as black” is really any different than saying that they are black. 

They don’t have to be or identify as POC to “be someone else” or “look different”. 

I think, if it’s unavoidable to describe them, then I would just say “they have darker skin than the body and curly hair” (for example) because that makes it clear that you aren’t saying they are black and also that you aren’t going just based off generalizations to categorize people. By which I mean that the alter may have darker skin and curly hair but that doesn’t make them black. Living life as a black person is what makes someone black and a person in a non-black body can’t have that experience, so just describing the characteristics (which anyone can have. white people can have curly hair and darker skin than other white people) is a way to accurately describe what they look like while not getting into the territory of appropriation.

I think this is the path of causing the least harm to system of color who may dislike this kind of thing but also still be able to acknowledge how your system members differ.

I hope my answer makes sense here. This is a really thoughtful question and I appreciate it being sent. It’s very nice, as a black system, to see people really trying to make the community safer and healthier for us. Let us know if you have more questions.

[solipsistful]

"median" is an explicitly non-medical term to refer to not-quite-singlet, not-quite-multiple experiences outside of diagnostic language of any sort, and it sure is frustrating seeing people go "oh yes, that's A BPD Thing. also btw you shouldn't call yourselves a median system because it's actually just BPD"

- Ace

[actuallypolyfragmented]

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Of course. I know it’s a very delicate topic but I think it’s important to talk about all of this because some people take it so far and when I see someone be like “this is my black alter, she’s so ghetto and loves sex and is in a gang” and don’t think that’s gonna be something very upsetting to black people in the community. We have had people block us on our personal instagram over this but I know for a fact there are several other systems of color who feel this same way and I want to use my large amount of followers here to open the door to conversation about it. 

[jakes-personal-blog]

✦ The fuck is happening over the syscourse talk.

[snezhnayan-nights]

its been 15 days since but something that annoys me the most about DNIs on posts about important possibly life changing information is that like. do those people not deserve that info?? do endos not deserve the most basic shit?? like. thats inhuman to me actually, why should only the people you LIKE and agree with deserve to interact with help posts??

yeah, that's what was going through my mind. i'm all for curating your online spaces and experiences, but i find it really weird and even cruel that people would put a dni on an informational post. i'm not even just talking about endos, i'm talking about any single group of people, whether good or bad. it's basically putting up a sign saying: "this post that could really help your life is for everyone BUT you!!"

if someone does make you uncomfy under the post, you can just... block. dnis are virtually useless, because if someone one your dni genuinely doesn't give a shit, then they're gonna interact. another thing is that, that one person isn't representative of the entire group. these things aren't mutually exclusive and i hate that people start to use the bad apples as some sort of token to shit on the group they really fucking hate.

for certain posts, i get it! you'd rather not have certain people interact, and that's fine. but like?? fucking imagine posting a list of suicide hotlines and putting a damn "endos dni", like what?? so suddenly the people you hate are just not allowed to be helped, or somehow they just simply are unable to be suicidal. it's ridiculous to me.