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"The entire point of the (clone) war(s) was that the jedi should not have been participating"

No, no that's not it

The idea that the Jedi should have never been involved in the war is simplistic (and moralistic), it ignores several key realities

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People continue to claim that the Dark Side is an eradication and that everyone should subscribe to their views of Star Wars. I consider this a very hypocritical statement.

People got to remember that Star Wars has been around for over 4 decades. Conflicting statements and issues with lore material are bound to come up. But every time I try to find the Dark Side being considered an eradication, I'm hit with these type of quotes which actually leans into the opposite direction:

"The overriding philosophy in Episode I—and in all the Star Wars movies, for that matter—is the balance between good and evil." -George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Making of Episode I, 1999

"In each of us we to have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything." -George Lucas, Time Magazine article, 2002

"The idea of positive and negative, that there are two sides to an entity, a push and a pull, a yin and a yang, and the struggle between the two sides are issues of nature that I wanted to include in the film." -George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays

"The Force has two sides. It is not a malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope." -George Lucas, Times Magazine, 1980

"I wanted to have this mythological footing because I was basing the films on the idea that the Force has two sides, the good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there. Most religions are built on that, whether it's called yin and yang, God and the devil—everything is built on the push-pull tension created by two sides of the equation. Right from the very beginning, that was the key issue in Star Wars." -George Lucas, Times Magazine, 2002

Even here, he says "What happens when you GO to the Dark Side" not "that you can't balance yourself and accept the Dark Side as part of yourself."

George always referred the Force as a yin/yang analogy.

I don't know why people grab their perils when something else is introduced rather than the old good guys versus evil in Star Wars. Moral ambiguity has been apart of Star Wars for decades.

Which was sparsely shown in the 2008 Clone Wars but shown more in the EU Clone Wars.

The Confederacy of Independent Systems were not meant to be evil. They were a sign of the corruption that plagued the Republic. When the Republic did it's job, it was good enough for people to carry on with business as usual despite the many errors and flaws apart of the system.

When the Clone Wars era started, the Republic failed in its most sacred duty: to protect its member systems. Even if the Republic was victorious in the war and survived, that simple fact would have remained with it for a long time.

Further, there were a lot of systems in the Rim that were messed up and screwed over by the Republic. That's been the case for centuries, however the difference in this era must not be understated. A significant number of those colonies started rinally reaching big enough numbers and economy that when combined together they could finally do something about it. Those are most of the same systems that the Republic and Jedi largely abandoned for years.

The Republic has always been amazing for its fonders in the Core. They put together its first creation and were needed every time the Republic collapsed and had to be rebuild. However, those same systems have the populations, industrial, economic, and military power to basically vote in whatever legislation protects their interests and that is often at the cost of Rim worlds. You can't even say that democracy is shattering here, because the Core has some of the ancient, well-established, and people who are thriving.

Those thousand years of peace? They might have been great and all for the Republic as a whole, but certainly not for a significant chunk of its members. Most of the systems that joined the Separatists had legitimate grievances that most Star Wars fans refused to wrap their minds around.

It's like when people follow the mindset of Anakin being this selfless prick who slaughtered children and thus wasn't tragic.

That wasn't what George said:

Keep in mind, he said THE VICTIM, not A VICTIM.

It really just bothers me how when George says something that some people don't like they ignore it, but when he does the opposite, they jump on the band wagon.

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20 YEARS AGO TODAY, ON MAY 19TH, 2005 😈🔴

20TH CENTURY FOX & LUCASFILMS PRESENTS

THE EPIC CONCLUSION OF THE STAR WARS PREQUEL TRILOGY

THE DARK SIDE RETURNS

THE SITH WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN

WITNESS THE BIRTH OF THE GREATEST EVIL THE GALAXY HAS EVER KNOWN

LORD VADER 😈

YES MY MASTER

RISE

STAR WARS 🌟 ⭐ 🌠 💫 EPISODE 3 : REVENGE OF THE SITH 😈🔴

HAPPY 20TH ANNIVERSARY TO 20TH CENTURY FOX'S & LUCASFILMS

STAR WARS 🌟 ⭐ 🌠 💫 EPISODE 3 : REVENGE OF THE SITH 😈🔴

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How exactly were the separatists canonically right??

I can’t believe I had to read that in a comment section.

The CIS is canonically not good. Which we see in literally the entire prequels. They’re lead by a Sith Lord, who is apprentice to an even bigger and badder Sith Lord, who is playing both sides of the war. Just because of that scene between Dooku and Obi-Wan people seem to think that Dooku was good and right. He's still actively working for Palpatine, you guys realize that right?? He's still corrupted, greedy for more power and has fallen prey to the dark side. He still wants to rise to the top and have things be his way, as all Sith do. He's not good, he’s trying to have Obi-Wan join him and when that fails, he wants to kill him. And he’s certainly not trying to help and save people. He has an entire droid army that he wants to use to attack the people of the republic. We get a glimpse of the plans for the Death Star during aotc. He doesn’t care wether people end up enslaved or dead. He's one of the villains in this story. Why are people taking the villains word for it?? Like what??

He has Grievous as one of his generals and hopefully we can all agree that he’s bad as well. Or is that up for debate, too? The clones and the chips? Working with Jango Fett? Separatists and Zygerria? Ventress? Ring any bells?

Nowhere in canon does it seem like the separatists are doing the right thing. Not once do the movies even give off that vibe.

The separatists are not the actual good guys. Which is what canon is very obviously telling us.

The republic and the senate started becoming more and more corrupt (funny how that starts happening while Palpatine is senator and slowly climbing up the ranks), but that doesn’t mean the republic was big bad. They were a democracy. And it was working very well for a really long time, prior to certain Sith Lords getting involved.

I don’t think people understand the severity of the dark side and of Palpatine's machinations and also his ability to use whatever situation he comes across in his favor. But that’s certainly not the Jedi's fault. These peaceful and mindful space monks were doing their best and doing what’s right regarding whatever situation was thrown at them. You can blame the senate and the politicians and the trade federation for becoming greedy and corrupt. But funny how I only ever hear people blaming the Jedi for things that were out of their control and most of the time not even in their playing field, and not the people who carry actual responsibilities within the senate and work in politics.

The Jedi were pretty much the only ones who stayed away from corruption and greed and did what’s right. Had some of the politicians done the same and took a page out of the Jedi's book, maybe things could have ended less horrendously. But then again that’s not the story GL wanted to tell and point out.

All I’m saying is, can we just point fingers at the actual people at fault? The corrupted and greedy people? The canonically portrayed as evil people? The ones that killed innocent people? Who orchestrated a genocide? Would that be too much to ask?

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I’m still jumping at the mention of Dooku

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Anakin and Poe meeting for the first time:

Anakin: So uh, so I hear you’re the best pilot in the resistance?

Poe: Yeah I am

Anakin: Nice but you know, not to brag or anything but I’m the uh I’m the best pilot in the galaxy

Poe: Right... so what they held a race with all the pilots in the galaxy and you won?”

Anakin: What! No no I was just widely regarded as the best

Poe: Huh...

*long pause* Poe: Well the X-Wings are that way

Anakin: Oh it’s on

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