#theseventhstrangersystem

[theseventhstrangersystem]

Endogenics/transplurals/tulpas/whatever the fuck really do just say "you can have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder without the Post Traumatic!" and people believe them. Reminder that CDDs are a more complex form of PTSD; they cannot exist without trauma 👍

[theseventhstrangersystem]

In regards to this post/ask: https://www.tumblr.com/theseventhstrangersystem/802433961330622465/its-not-really-fair-or-accurate-to-call-your?source=share

You ... haven't been educating at all. Most of your content is trying to disprove endogenic plurality which has nothing to do with CDDs. It's not "guy makes one mistake", you've become pretty infamous in syscourse for not keeping up with the sources people give you NOR providing *your own* sources. So why even say you educate about CDDs when you haven't actually been doing that?

"Most of your content is trying to disprove endogenic plurality which has nothing to do with CDDs" 🫩 I fear it has everything to do with CDDs because pro/neu/endogenics are directly ableist towards people with CDDs and spread extremely harmful misinformation about CDDs.

"You've become pretty infamous in syscourse for not keeping up with the sources people give you NOR providing *your own* sources." Are you covering your eyes and plugging your ears? We read every source pro/neu/endos cite to us, which it's funny they cite those sources considering none of them prove endogenic multiplicity in the slightest— it's always just "they (endogenics) maybe might exist. More research has to be done, but it isn't looking good for them." We just don't always respond because either we don't have the energy, are busy, forgot because we literally have DID + ADHD, or don't see the point in arguing because the opposition's argument makes no sense— they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. As for ourselves: we definitely do cite all of our own sources, I really don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes we may leave a source out if it's something easily google-able, but its uncommon that we do that.

Also, we don't ONLY post educational content. Our bio says we post educational and general CDD content. Frankly, we could post whatever the hell we want, because it's our blog... but we do post educational content like every other day, so I really don't know what you're talking about.

-Duran

[theseventhstrangersystem]

What talking to the pro/neu/endos that claim you never want to have conversation with them is like

[theseventhstrangersystem]

Unfriendly reminder that you can't be "neutral" on syscourse. You're either with ableism or against it. Saying you're "neutral" tells us you don't give a shit about the harm ableists do to the system community and tolerate it

-Duran

[theseventhstrangersystem]

(Pro/neu) Endogenics when they say "no endogenic has ever claimed to have CDDs/CDDs without the trauma/disordered parts!"

Claiming to experience multiplicity is inherently claiming to have a CDD without the trauma/disordered parts because multiplicity is a CDD exclusive experience. Here's a post with us explaining why (with mentioned and linked sources) because I can't keep typing ts out over and over again

Not to mention that we HAVE seen numerous endogenics claim to have CDDs/CDDs without the trauma/disordered parts, especially (but not exclusively) within the radqueer community

-Duran

[theseventhstrangersystem]

(it's not actually even the same symptom at all but HYPOTHETICALLY) why is experiencing one symptom of a disorder without experiencing the others (so not having the disorder) ableist ONLY when it's a CDD? it's fairly widely acknowledged that you can have, for example, one experience that could be considered a symptom of autism while being allistic, why is this not the case for this specific group?

While yes, it's entirely possible to have symptoms of disorders without having the actual disorder, and this even applies to dissociative disorders, it specifically doesn't apply to the symptom of multiplicity. Many people claim to experience multiplicity without having any other symptoms of CDDs, but as far as science currently goes, that's impossible; those claims are mistaken in one way or another.

Using research such as the Theory of Structural Dissociation, we know that multiplicity is found only within secondary and tertiary dissociation (OSDD-1, DID, P-DID), both levels of dissociation being caused solely by trauma, specifically repetitive early childhood trauma in OSDD-1 (secondary dissociation) and DID (tertiary dissociation). However, due to depersonalization, the other disorders encompassed by secondary and primary dissociation, as well as normal dissociation outside of disorders, may lead one to falsely believe they're multiple when they show no other symptoms of CDDs.

In the case of genuinely experiencing depersonalization that gives a false impression if multiplicity, it's a harmless mistake. It becomes ableist and harmful to the disabled community and yourself— even if unintentional— when you neglect to do research on the symptoms you think you could be experiencing (multiplicity in this case) and start spreading misinformation. Ableism isn't always intentional. That being said, these people should be treated with far more grace than intentional ableists (transplurals, willogenics, etc), because it was an honest mistake and they're clearly genuinely suffering from something, it just isn't multiplicity. They should be encouraged to seek help and do more research.

Obligatory mention of psychosis causing delusions of multiplicity. These people are suffering from delusions they can't control and aren't rational, therefore they cannot and should not be held accountable. You should gently encourage them to seek help, however.

-Duran, Zanka

[theseventhstrangersystem]

"Endogenics should stay out of CDD spaces and keep to their own"

Endogenics shouldn't have ANY spaces AT ALL to create echo-chambers of extremely harmful ableist misinformation and groom people into believing their bullshit, actually.

-Duran

[theseventhstrangersystem]

How do you view those who simply benefit from conceptualizing themselves as more than one? Are they wrong for viewing their own experiences in that way? Or those who have spiritual beliefs that are connected with their plural identities?

Are they just lying? Or not allowed to define their own experiences in language that works for them? As far as I’m aware, “multiplicity” and “plurality” aren’t clinical or diagnostic-specific labels.

Curious about your thoughts on this!

Finally, a good question!

Unfortunately, pretending to be multiple when you aren't is kind of. Very harmful. To both yourself and actual systems. It will create chronic dissociation (dissociation ≠ multiplicity) where there was none before that you will have to fix, most likely in therapy. What endogenics and other groups are doing is taking IFS— something healthy that we support wholeheartedly— and twisting it into something greatly unhealthy and ableist. Whether intentional or not, it's quite offensive and ableist to go against the leading research (even if you don't realize that) on a disabled group of people and pretend you share exclusive and debilitating experiences with them when you could never truly understand what it's like. *This does not apply to systems who just don't remember their trauma and have been groomed into endogenic beliefs and mistakenly label themselves as endogenic nor does this apply to people suffering from delusions of multiplicity. Tying into this is the use of the terms "multiplicity" and "plurality" when you aren't: it's offensive and ableist for the same reasons. They don't have to be genuine clinical terms for it to be ableist. "Multiplicity" in particular is a community term made and used by the disabled community; stealing it (or stealing it and making a synonym of it like "plurality", which people use to literally pretend to be disabled) is obviously quite offensive and ableist.

As for spiritual beliefs of multiplicity, we're more lenient with them, but personally, despite being very spiritual ourselves, we do not believe in what they do because the leading research into multiplicity has debunked it. People can practice their spiritual belief all they want, we're not going to forcefully stop them because we understand having spiritual beliefs, but we do think they're unfortunately mistaken in them. Like I said, I can understand it though. If our personal spiritual beliefs were ever debunked by science, we would have a very hard time letting them go because... that's literally life altering. Imagine something you so adamantly believed and had faith in turned out to be a lie. It's really sad, actually, and I have sympathy for them.

Tldr: if you're deliberately being ableist like the majority of endogenics, then obviously we hate you, but if your ableism is on accident, we're obviously still upset, but understanding it wasn't intentional and you are given a second chance.

-Duran