Steve is an amazing person who has faults but who doesn't. I wanted to ask your opinion on Steve saving people and those who may save him. Would he take a hit for a friend without thinking and how would he react to someone doing the same for him?
That question is more complicated than it appears on the face of it. Yes, he’d absolutely take a hit for an ally, but Steve is a master combat strategist. He’s do it, but he’d be thinking when he did.
That means that if he had to choose to accomplishing his duty, or saving a friend from injury, he might choose the larger goal. We saw something similar when he fought Bucky on the helecarrier. He was willing to injure him to save the world, but once the helecarriers were destroyed, he chose to risk death rather than continue fighting him.
The only scenario where I can see Steve acting without thinking, completely instinctively, would be if he thought Bucky was going to die. Then all bets would be off. I don’t think he’s capable of letting that happen again.
If someone did that for him, his reaction would probably depend on how durable they were, or how capable of fending off the attack. If someone was seriously injured doing that, he’d probably be very unhappy--even more so if the hit was one he was capable of taking as a supersoldier, or if the person taking the hit had no expectation of being able to walk away from it.
Do you think Bucky was suicidal in cacw? Also, Bucky lied straight to Steve's face when asked if Bucky knew him and when asked by Steve why did he save him. I feel like he lies to protect others and himself. To keep distance. How do you feel?
Thanks so much for the ask!
Wow, this got a little long (I don’t know what I expected…) so I’m actually gonna answer that first part in another post. As for the reason he lies:
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I definitely agree – Bucky makes a number of choices in the movie (see: mid-credits scene) designed to protect other people from him. I imagine he’s equally not so eager to repeat the experience of being taken advantage of by someone who was supposed to help him but ended up being some angry guy with his own agenda who wanted a tool of chaos. Bucky has had it up to here with being a tool of chaos!!!
Like, this poor guy, he’s so tired. Bless Sebastian Stan’s line delivery because when he said “It always ends in a fight,” you could hear the resignation and the weight of experience behind it; this man has seen some shit and he knows the universe isn’t gonna give him 2 seconds’ peace, and in spite of all that, he’s going to do his damnedest not to take anyone down with him if he can help it. (I’m so proud of Bucky Barnes honestly what a trooper)
In the reunion scene, he senses that Steve coming to find him all suited up means something bad is about to happen (because when ISN’T something bad about to happen?) So essentially, this isn’t a good time to be working through his feelings about what Steve means to him. Everything’s about to blow up again and the fewer personal connections he has to exploit, the better. (A solid philosophy, but alas, we all know how that ends up.)
And he’s lived this whole time aware that Hydra’s programming was lurking in his mind, but until now (as far as we know) he’s been able to avoid anything that could drag those unpleasant parts of himself to the surface, so it’s probably scary to see Steve standing there and know that the last time they met he was under orders to kill on sight.
Another angle – I was honestly a bit surprised, though not unpleasantly, in the theater when Steve called him out so confidently, maybe since I’ve read so many different interpretations of Bucky’s post-TWS mental state. When he said, “I don’t know,” I thought, “well, that’s totally plausible.” At least, I feel like there could be an element of truth to it, in terms of what had happened in that moment at the end of CATWS. After two years of researching Steve and letting his memories filter back, Bucky definitely knows intellectually that Steve was/is his best friend and that’s why they’re so driven to protect one another. But when it happened, I think he couldn’t have said why he saved Steve, and was only acting off a tidal wave of unexpected, confusing emotions where the only thing clear was “you can’t let him die!!!”
@thoughtmirror : Do you think Bucky was suicidal in cacw?
Actively, in canon, I’m gonna say I don’t think the writers planned it that way. As for the degree it could be there under the surface, that’s a whole other interesting question and I can’t really say other than outside speculation (like that interview Sebastian Stan did in China where he apparently said Steve might be the only think keeping Bucky from committing suicide?? ;____;) After seeing the movie, I have to wonder if he meant before the events of Civil War or after. Before could mean, Bucky keeps himself going by investigating Steve and his own past – based on the little we see, who knows – but after: it’s maybe not outlandish to read in his actions that he is so so tired of being used as a weapon and would maybe just as soon put himself down to save everyone the trouble, if not for that fact that Steve wouldn’t stand for it.
It was the strangest thing for me to watch the mid-credits scene because in this unsettling way it felt almost like a death scene. I could hardly believe that Buck would want to put himself under again when he could be, I don’t know, doing other things?? It felt like the writers maybe didn’t know what to do with him; although, since then, I can see other sides and I like some of the metas I’ve read justifying that choice. @cesperanza also pointed out that putting Bucky back into cryo was totally a callback to “Han Solo freezing in carbonite at the end of ESB,” which made the scene make so much more sense to me because if there’s anything I’ve learned lately it’s that the Russo brothers are HUGE STAR WARS NERDS. (Like, seriously, look at the ending of TWS compared to ROTJ, I actually have a fanvid about it.)
It's pretty easy to see how Raph would act to Leo's authority, but how would Donnie and Mikey react to Leo telling them what to do and would they listen? I'm thinking along the lines of Donnie staying up all night, Mikey playing video games or either one of them not giving their all in practice due to their minds being involved elsewhere.
Heh. No. It depends really on the situation and everything, but what you just said, which makes me giggle, of course they wouldn’t. Donnie would totally know that he’s staying way late, and Mike would know that he shouldn’t stay awake playing video games. But that doesn’t really stop them. There could be times when they just decide no ‘don’t feel like hearing leo tomorrow,’ but they would easily disobey/ignore Leo just as Raph does. Sometimes Leo is the butt monkey of the family, ha.
Training involves Splinter’s discipline. Splinter’s firmness will go in quick swing when he notices any of his sons daydreaming during training, and yes, Don and Mike are quite susceptible to this. Compared to Leo and Raph, they do have a habit of ‘drifting off’, and Mike does it the most. But I also believe Mike also performs better than his brothers when he is ‘drifting off.’ He can sense things the others can’t in body movements and unpredictable attacks.
When they screw up in training, Splinter’s gonna put the tail to them and send them to the hashi. That’s gonna suck.
"They’ll be nervous and it will be hard for them to accept but I think eventually they give in when it’s warranted. If their new friend can prove themselves as worthy…that is." I loved your answer to this ask! How do you suppose a friend would prove themselves worthy to the Hamatos? They strike me the type to be hard to convince. How would someone convince each of the brothers especially if they are convinced differently from one another?
//Well, let's look at April and Casey. They are the two humans that universally prove their worth right? Inevitably anyone they know gets caught up in some adventure of theirs. how they react is really the key! Most people would just turn tail and run, looking out for their own safety. That's what the boys expect in all honesty and in all cases. If someone has enough courage to stick around and help them out, especially if they are risking their neck for that person, they are going to take notice. They are going to take that courage in to account when they move on and when they end their adventure. Some, like April and Casey, are going to keep coming back not because they want something from them but because they care about them. And when someone comes back, even at their own risk, after you've explained the danger to them, you know you've got a friend.
Putting a gallon of milk back into the refrigerator when there’s only a little, little bit left in there. I love my cereal, and it really gets to me when folks do that…specifically my younger brother.
How is Leo's anger and Raph's anger different from one another and how is it the similar? If a person (anxious, scared shitless friend) was stuck in a room with either one of them while they were angry (pissed off either at the friend or in general) how would they make the person feel to be in their presence and how would Leo/Raph behave around them?
Blue. Red. Cold. Hot. Their intensities are similar, and their temperaments are different. Raph and Leo share powerful emotions, but they exit differently. Leo’s about self-contained emotion, only grazing at the surface, and Raph erupts like a volcano, and his emotions scorch the very ground he walks on, even when he tries to keep it in. I feel it’s the intensity behind their emotions, specifically their anger, that ties them together. Just because Leo keeps his in check doesn’t mean it isn’t any less destructive or dangerous than Raph’s; hell, having those too on a revenge task would be horrific. They’d fuck shit up.
Now with friends they wouldn’t lose control, and their anger wouldn’t get to the point where they’d physically assault them. But their anger would put the fear in them, the disappointment and hurt. I feel even Raph has this ability, just as much as Leo, and it’d be worse since Raph’s visibly restraining himself while Leo’s far calmer (although he can show strain depending on the situation).
Summing it up: the friend would feel like a failure, or having failed them-disappointed in themselves. They’d also feel guilty for hurting their friend, for offending them in any way, and I don’t think it’s so much fear of them as it is fear of disappointment. Kind of like parents.
They’d be stiff. A bit distant around them, and Raph would explode at them, before reeling himself in with a harsh grunt, “forget it.” Leo would give them that look you know, the look, and they’d just feel shame for whatever they’d done. A good talk will straighten most things out, but maybe the rest will take some time for everything to cool down back to normalcy.
