Hello x3 the link for Yuga's screenshots is broken, where else can I download it? :3
I think that may have been one of the ones I removed to clear up space on dropboxā¦in any case, those are super old, and I donāt really have any plans to reupload them
Hello! Just for some context, the argument initially started because Ryu was asserting that her headcanons WERE the only reasonable ones and everyone else was wrong. I actually think they're fine in and of themselves--what I find ridiculous is that this is a 27 year old woman getting this offended over other people's opinions over alien genitalia.
(All points below from @ikunagae with their permission) This is for @ryunoohi because the last time all these points were listed you didnāt have a rebuttal for them.
1. Good job implying the entire fandom is one person, then not even making that personās opinions consistent? welcome to strawman central. Iām pretty sure anyone who says that they think Friezaās race is asexual does not immediately think any women that donāt have hair or breasts are ugly. In fact I donāt think those people watch Dragon Ball, because like, multiple women just like that exist. Go find me one dragon ball fan that does not like gure because she is adorable.
1.5. Good job judging others for enforcing their human beauty standards on aliens, and then immediately turning around and enforcing your human gender and sexuality standards on the same aliens??? (not that I disagree that hypothetical girl Icejins wouldnāt have tiddies and hair since, yāknow, theyāre not⦠mammalsā¦)
2. Good job completely misunderstanding the difference between a characterās genitals and gender identity. Unless you plan to call Shin, Piccolo, every other namekian, and every other kai āthey/themā (or⦠āshe/herā for the namekians, apparently? God I have no idea what your argument is here), you have to accept that characters that reproduce asexually can and do routinely identify as male despite this in Dragon Ball. And yes, Frieza clearly identifies as male. so your point is moot.
3. Good job taking that Jaco line from xv completely out of context and incorrectly. Unless youāre going to cite that exact line in Japanese and explain why itās so different from his line in English, Iām pretty sure Jaco never implied this at all, just that he expressed confusion about if the character identified as male or female. So yeah, bbbbbig (citation needed) here. Iām also very aware that Xenoverse isnāt canon, but itās still out there and some things have become canon from it.
3.5. Good job making the assertion that XENOVERSE ISNāT CANON!!! while then citing not only Xenoverse for your arguments but also other non-canon games of the same ilk.
4. Good job⦠somehow arriving at the conclusion that gay people of races that reproduce sexually donāt exist(?) I⦠I have no idea why this was brought up? Seriously, what does that have to do with this already idiotic and shortsighted post beyond that itās also stupid. I donāt even want to go into your nonsense about āstraight erasureā and your implications that people only headcanon characters as gay/trans for fetish material. Thatās just really disgusting and honestly homophobic, dude.
5. Good job making a horribly proportioned argument. Your argument is that they canāt be hermaphroditic OR asexual, but your entire post only serves to argue on them not being asexual. You provided no evidence that they arenāt hermaphroditic except an uncited line that apparently āimpliesā they have two distinct sexes.
personally, I donāt see their race as reproducing asexually, not necessarily because they were referred to as hybrids but rather simply because there is too much genetic variation between individuals when compared to other races like namekians, but I do personally think theyāre hermaphroditic, which has not been disproved. Not that I have an objection to the headcanon that they may have two or more distinct sexes (hey, aliens are weird), but I think itās a bit idiotic to say that anything else is ādisprovenā when any evidence against it is circumstantial at best or just flat out not canon. I mean, for all we know, they reproduce by blowing each other up and rearranging the chunky mess into babies.
Also re: some other posts youāve made about the whole situation since to be honest they are SO MUCH WORSE, god you are⦠sure something. First of all, really, using General Blue as your example? He was literally nothing but a gay stereotype- you say you like his character without his sexuality, but is there even a character there when you take away the gay joke beyond, āuh, evil and a thinly veiled naziā? I think that says a lot about you actually. Whis or Kale would have been so much better as examples. And yes, they are very heavily implied to gay, if you really want to argue this youāre an idiot.
Before you get on me for āoh but arenāt you being homophobic for implying all feminine/gayish people are automatically gayā, let me tell you about gay coding. Actually Iām just gonna link a video because itās complicated and I have a feeling youāre just going to ask for sources anyway. While itās specifically about disney, as an anime dedicated to adolescent boys, the demographic isnāt different enough for it to be incorrect. And there is no way that the villain guy who was pink, wears lipstick, and is very feminine figured compared to the rest of the male cast doesnāt fall into the whole āgay stereotypes=evil stereotypesā rabbit hole. Is this necessarily a good thing? No. In General Blueās case, it was definitely intentional. In Friezaās case iām not 100% sure, but you canāt argue that he does apply to this concept.
Hm, well, to put this in context, letās look at your profile, shall we?
Spork/Pansexual/Non-Binary/Itās It Itself Ā Ā Ā Ā
Ā ā¦oh dear, no wonder youāre so full of hatred & generally cringe-worthy.Ā I think Iād be peeved too if I thought of myself as anĀ āit.āĀ Character attacks arenāt my thing butā¦jeez you are just such a Tumblr cliche it hurts.Ā Go outside, please.Ā
1. Good job implying the entire fandom is one person, then not even making that personās opinions consistent? welcome to strawman central.
Whaaaa?Ā Where did I ever imply this?Ā I think youāre putting words in my mouth.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
Iām pretty sure anyone who says that they think Friezaās race is asexual does not immediately think any women that donāt have hair or breasts are ugly. In fact I donāt think those people watch Dragon Ball, because like, multiple women just like that exist.Ā
ā¦Again, where did I imply this?Ā Newsflash sweetie, I have a hate-boner for those & hair on Arcosians because itās ridiculous, & not possible given their biology.Ā Not because I think some arbitrary standard of female beauty is the only one worth conforming to.Ā For reference: Iām flat, not super-attractive in the face, & have been mistaken for a guy before.Ā Make of that what you will.
1.5. Good job judging others for enforcing their human beauty standards on aliens, and then immediately turning around and enforcing your human gender and sexuality standards on the same aliens???Ā
See above.Ā Itās not even a beauty standard, itās a fetish.Ā Biiiig difference.Ā Gender & sexuality, unlike personal preference for physical features, are generally a lot more universal among complex organisms with a spine (not sure your friend @ikunagae fits in that category, but eh).Ā Evolution tends towards male/female copulation because it scrambles the genes better, & makes hardier offspring.Ā You cannot debate biological fact against your feelings.
2. Good job completely misunderstanding the difference between a characterās genitals and gender identity. Unless you plan to call Shin, Piccolo, every other namekian, and every other kai āthey/themā (or⦠āshe/herā for the namekians, apparently? God I have no idea what your argument is here)
Of course you have no idea what my argument is, because youāve made it up piecemeal.Ā A strawman if ever there was one.Ā Gender identity is a newfangled thing, whereas actual, biological gender is pretty clear-cut.Ā I go by the latter by default, as do most sane, reasonable people.Ā Moreover, I go by the original manga in terms of personal pronouns (already rather fuzzy in Japanese), so Namekians, Kai, etc. are generally addressed as males.Ā If you really want to nitpick how a character identifies & argue that thatās more important, Frieza, all the Namekians, & Kaioushin all refer to themselves by male & even hypermasculine pronouns.
3. Good job taking that Jaco line from xv completely out of context and incorrectly [ā¦] Iām also very aware that Xenoverse isnāt canon, but itās still out there and some things have become canon from it.
Good job to you too!Ā I literally SAID that I have never played Xenoverse, so Iām only going off of what players have told me about that scene.Ā
3.5. Good job making the assertion that XENOVERSE ISNāT CANON!!! while then citing not only Xenoverse for your arguments but also other non-canon games of the same ilk.
Um, pot, meet kettle?Ā Literally refer to your line above, which I have highlighted.Ā Itās called artistic liberty, you know, that thing where you take good ideas from non-canon sources, but ignore all the stupid ideas from the same work?Ā Almost every DBZ fan does this, so stop trying to single me out.
4. Good job⦠somehow arriving at the conclusion that gay people of races that reproduce sexually donāt exist(?)
Where the HECK did I ever imply this?!Ā Where?!Ā If you knew anything about my headcanons, youāll know that I have specifically addressed this when asked how Arcosians view same-sex pairings (spoiler: totally okay with it before their big war with Saiyans, but now due to tremendous population loss & an authoritarian government, itās looked down upon as irresponsible).
5. Good job making a horribly proportioned argument. Your argument is that they canāt be hermaphroditic OR asexual, but your entire post only serves to argue on them not being asexual.Ā You provided no evidence that they arenāt hermaphroditic except an uncited line that apparently āimpliesā they have two distinct sexes.
Whatā¦seriously, where are you getting this drivel?Ā Dear god youāre both braindead & apparently illiterate.Ā What do you want from me?Ā Shall I book a flight to Japan, hunt down Mr. Toriyama, & force him to draw me a dick pic of Frieza to get you some concrete evidence?Ā There is no evidence for either theory, you nitwit.Ā The male/female species just makes sense from what little context we have.
First of all, really, using General Blue as your example? He was literally nothing but a gay stereotype- you say you like his character without his sexuality, but is there even a character there when you take away the gay joke beyond, āuh, evil and a thinly veiled naziā?
ā¦I like his design.Ā Is that a crime now?Ā Are you & your Thought Police gonna kidnap me & hang me for being a Nazi by proxy because I like the antics & design of an animated character?Ā āCause that sure seems to be what youāre implying.Ā How very tolerant.Ā Oh by the way, my favorite character (yours too!) is an alien overlord who has literally committed genocide, so I guess you should dangle beside me, huh?Ā I can draw more Nazi parallels to the PTO than the Red Ribbon Army, to be honest.Ā Fiction is not reality.
Shut me down please.Ā
Just did, & I wish I could say with pleasure, but your blind hatred & vile demeanor just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.Ā Ugh.Ā Go harass someone else for a change; youāve lost this battle.
Iām done with you & your torch-&-pitchfork wielding Tumblr mob.Ā Not responding to any more of this garbage; Iām just gonna delete & block.Ā Goodnight, & hope you learn both basic logic & tolerance someday.
Why canāt people her just let anyone have their headcanons? It would be ābadā if Toriyama had confirmed Friezaās race is asexual but he has not so Ryu can have whatever headcanon they want, besides,Ā āDISGUSTING HUMAN BEAUTEEEEā is constantly used in the anime, just now in super we are getting diferent representations LIKE IN EVERYTHING ELSE, only with races like the namekians are pulled aside since they appeared because they are based in slugs! Also thereās literally a robot that can have sex and have kids so what the hell if Ryu wants to have male/female aliens as if itās not the same with the saiyans.
I also find it hillarious that you people see slightly femenine male characters and immediatly screamĀ āTRANS, ASEXUAL, GENDERFLUIIIIIIDā and later on complain about being stereotyped. That of course, if you even are trans or any other LGBT+ and not just random pseudo sjw screaming about pretty much everything like if you have the last word and thinking you are helping them by forcing it into anything and try to claim itās true.
ĀæAre you sure you are supporting trans people by forcing it into any fictional character as if itās some kind of kink? ;) Cause it feels more like youāre objectifying and perverting us for your pleasure and not for our acceptance. (And no, forcefully making a character trans does not help or provides anything, in fact it causes denial)Ā
Secret women's Facebook group 'Bad Girls Advice' brags about various ways they have abused their partners. The graphic conversation was shared by a DV support group on Thursday (stock image).
IS ANYBODY REALLY SHOCKED ?
āI stabbed him with a fork and reversed over him in my carā: The secret Facebook page where women brag about violence toward men
Secret Facebook group āBad Girls Adviceā brags about acts of domestic violence
Women boasted about hitting men with cars and stabbing them in the genitals
Facebook thread was shared by a domestic violence support group on Thursday
Group administrator insisted to Daily Mail Australia the group is misrepresented
By KATE DARVALL FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 07:39 EST, 3 February 2017 | UPDATED: 09:11 EST, 3 FebruaryĀ
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This is the secret Facebook group where women brag about the various ways they have physically abused their partners.
Graphic screenshots from the Bad Girls Advice Facebook page emerged on Thursday when a domestic violence support group publicly shared them.
The posts show women discussing domestic violence situations in detail after one member asked the other women what the most violent act committed against their partner was.
āIn a mad ass rage at my partner. Just want to punch him in the c*ck and stab him in the leg with a fork. Bad b****es, I want to know what is the craziest thing youāve done in a fit of rage?ā one woman posted on Friday
āIn a mad ass rage at my partner. Just want to punch him in the c*ck and stab him in the leg with a fork. Bad b****es, I want to know what is the craziest thing youāve done in a fit of rage?ā one woman posted on Friday.
The post garnered hundreds of likes and prompted a colourful discussion about domestic violence.
āThrew a chair at him through a glass door. Door smashed and cut him the f*** up. Needless to say he didnāt smart mouth me again,ā one said.
The post and the ensuing comments were shared with all 173 thousand members of Bad Girls Advice. Ā
āStabbed one in the leg with a fork ⦠pushed another into the wall and the fat f*** fell through it,ā the comment read
āStabbed with a fork, reversed over him in a car, threw him out of the car, punched him in the nose, threw bowls, remotes or whatever at his headā
āStabbed with a fork, reversed over him in a car, threw him out of the car, punched him in the nose, threw bowls, remotes or whatever at his head,ā another said.
One woman admitted to hitting her partner with her car 'all because it was Halloween and I felt bad that I didnāt buy lollies for the kidsā.
Another member also admitted to ramming her partner with a car.
'Hit him with my car then made him pay for the damage,ā she said.
Her comment was praised by other members who claimed it was their 'favouriteā.
'Threw a chair at him through a glass door. Door smashed and cut him the f*** up. Needless to say he didnāt smart mouth me again,ā
The controversial post was published on Friday and quickly garnered hundreds of likesĀ
'Headbutted by ex and knocked him the f*** out when I was drunk and he was looking at other girlsā
Another member said she made an expensive mistake when she decided to throw a laptop at a manās head.
ā(I) didnāt realise it wasnāt his and had to replace the f***ing piece of sh**,ā she said.
'It was worth it.ā
One contributor maintained what she did was 'funnyā.
'Stabbed them in the c*** with a metal nail file sh** it was funny,ā she said.
'Bit him on the back of his neck until I heard crunch and felt blood. Still has the scar lol,ā another said.
'P.s reading these on ideas for my husband right now,ā one contributor wrote on the controversial post
The confronting conversation was shared on Thursday by domestic violence support group the Black Ribbon Foundation Australia.
'And people wonder why we have a problem in this country,ā it said.
A Bad Girls Advice group administrator, who asked to remain anonymous, told Daily Mail Australia the group was misrepresented.
'BGA is about so many things that are amazing, and this thread, which a fraction of women wrote on, does not define who we are,ā she said on Friday.
'Literally hit him with my car ⦠all because it was Halloween and I felt bad that I didnāt buy lollies for the kids,ā one woman wrote
A Bad Girls Advice group administrator, who asked to remain anonymous, told Daily Mail Australia the 173 thousand member large group was misrepresented
'We help hundreds of women with a lot of different things and we absolutely do not and never have condoned domestic violence against any gender.
'The vast majority of us are just women who need a space to express and explore our sexuality and talk about issues that are taboo in public.ā
The Queensland woman said the controversial post was removed the day after it was published.
'The thread was deleted Saturday morning once all the admin were aware of it ā we decided as a whole that it absolutely was against our groupās morals,ā she said.
'Hit him with a car ⦠stabbed him in the thigh ⦠threw his amp and speakers at him, cut his face out of all photos and sent him a bag with just his heads,ā one woman wrote
The administrator said Bad Girls Advice helped thousands of women and served a positive purpose.
'We have talked over 25 women out of suicide, helped hundreds of women find temporary homes and supplies after breaking away from domestic violence,ā she said.
'We arenāt going to sit here and say we are saints. But we help in a huge way with the heavy stuff that a lot of people canāt talk about.ā
She told Daily Mail Australia all women who contributed to the controversial post have since been removed from the group. Ā
Can we drop the āpatriarchyā now? There are actual groups undermining male domestic violence shelters AND promoting this cancer. Unbelievable.
-Mod Gemini
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They are the equivalent to strippers here. They never engaged in sex acts but if you look throughout their history they were not treated well. Most being sold into that profession.
If byĀ āhereā you mean Japan, iād just like to say that it is well known that not even the average Japanese citizen is aware of the true nature of the Geisha, Geiko and Maiko. they are not strippers and to say things like this is demeaning to the women who work hard and are trained in the arts (dance, music, tea ceremony, etc.).Ā
Geisha became what they are known as today in the mid-1700s. the first actual geisha were men and they entertained shogun and samurai (and other wealthy men) with dance, music and the art of tea ceremony and theater. when courtesans were losing money to these male geisha, a few of them broke away from being in the sex business and became female geisha. therefore, geisha as an occupation never was a thing of the sex trade/prostitution and absolutely NOT stripping.Ā
let me dispel some common misconceptions:
so, geisha were never prostitutes, never perform sex acts or even accept relationships/marriage proposals until after they retire from being a geisha (usually in their 30s, tho some women stay geisha until death by choice).
while geisha in the past (we are talking almost 100 years ago by now) have been given to Okiya (geisha houses) by their families, it was usually due to the families inability to afford their child and rather than let the child be homeless and starve, they gave them to an Okiya where they would live a much better life (Okiya housed other geisha within that Okiyaās specialĀ āfamiliyā; the OkasanāāMotherāāof the house protected them, gave them a comfortable living, fed them, sent them to all their classes, spent money on their personal kimono and make-up, and who arrange their finances and plan their parties and events). Nowadays, and pretty much since the 1940s, Geisha become Geisha by choice and enter into the profession after they graduate middle school (it is even required in most cases that they complete at least that level of schooling before becoming a Geisha) willingly.
GEISHA wear their Obi belts tied tightly in the back to hold together their Kimono; these belts are so long and heavy that the Okiya hires a male dresser to assist in tying these Obi every night before a party or event. a geisha could not strip or easily take off her many layers of Kimono/undergarments and so the assumption that they are strippers just doesnāt make any sense. a traditional courtesan or TAYUU/OIRAN wore her Obi belt loosely tied in the front so that she could easily untie it for a customer.
There is no empirical evidence of there being any such thing asĀ āmizuageā (as referred to by Arthur Golden inĀ āMemoirs of a Geishaā) in the geisha world. there is however evidence of the ritual of mizuage in the Tayuu (or Oiran depending on the region, i think) courtesan tradition. a courtesan who was being initiated would have a ceremony where wealthy men bid for her virginity, with the highest bid being the winner. These Tayuu (or Oiran) are absolutely NOT in any form in relation to a Geisha. i will also mention that prostitution in Japan has been illegal since 1959, officially.
āComfort Womenā from the WWII era were prostitutes that told American GIs that they wereĀ āgeishaā in order to make more money and to play on the exoticism that was so popular in the US at the time. this is where a big portion of theĀ āGeisha are prostitutesā misconception came from.Ā
āHot Springs Geishaā and Bar Hostesses in Tokyo are trained in a similar way to traditional Geisha in that they have skills in the art of conversation and even some musical skill, however these women are NOT Geisha. āHot Springs Geishaā are also known to engage in sex acts with hot springs patrons (though it is frowned upon) and so bring another incorrect image of sex-acts to the name of Geisha.
While there have Iām sure been cases of abuse from an Okasan to her Geisha throughout the history of the profession, this is usually not the case, and to say thatĀ āmany or all Okasan are abusive and manipulative to their Geishaā is ignorant and offensive.
DO NOT READ āMEMOIRS OF A GEISHAā!! If you already have, I would strongly suggest you read other books on the subject of Geisha. Arthur Golden (a white man) Ā wrote this book to make money off of the many misconceptions about Geisha, Geiko and Maiko. Everything he says about the Geisha tradition is incorrect, from the part where he explains whyĀ āsome Geishaā wear lipstick only on the bottom lip (this actually signifies that a Maiko has only been in training for under a year) to his horrible, offensive and incorrect description of a Geisha going through mizuage. He interviewed a very well-known geisha named Mineko Iwasaki for his book, which he then exploited and changed around for his benefit. She even tried to sue him for libel for taking stories from her personal life, twisting it and turning it into a book that lies about the fundamentals of being a Geisha.Ā
I would recommend reading,Ā āGeisha, A Lifeā by Mineko Iwasaki. she has written about what it really means to be a Geisha.
Here are is a picture of a Geiko (a fully-fledged Geisha who has completed most of her training and has become a professional):
Here is a picture of a Maiko (a Geisha-in-training who is still an apprentice and usually works alongside herĀ āOlder Sisterā or her assigned Geiko partner; her Older Sister is in charge of most of a Maikoās social training):
Here is the difference in dress between a Geiko and a Maiko:
Here is a Tayuu courtesan (high end prostitute); this profession no longer exists, any modern photographs of one is of an actress for historical theater purposes. Notice the Obi belt tied in front and the overall difference in dress. This was what courtesans looked like:
This is a photo ofĀ āHot Springs Geishaā in the 60s. Notice the women serving drinks and entertaining men at the tables:
Here is a picture of an Ozashiki (party, event or gathering where Geisha are hired to entertain with music, dance, conversation and drink serving) today. It is much, much, much different (and more expensive) than an average hostess bar, and takes place within an Ochaya (traditional teahouse). As you can see, men are not the only ones who have booked an Ozashiki with Geisha:
Please do not spread misconceptions about these hard-working women artists. They deserve respect and have persevered for centuries with women at the forefront of these professions. Not only are these women trained to entertain party patrons, but they are also highly skilled in theater and the performing arts. Surrounding the Geisha are women wigmakers, female Shamisen, drum, flute ensembles, hairdressers, kimono artisans, well-respected dance/music/tea ceremony teachers, jewelry and hair accessory makers, Okobo and ZoriĀ footwear artisans, teahouse staff and Ozashiki planners, instrument craftsmen, and many, many more. If you would like to know more about Geisha, there are many books written by former Geisha out there.
Here is a short video of a Geisha performance, it is the annual Miyako Odori (āCherry Blossomā Dance):
Hey everyone, before this post takes off any more here than it already has, Iād like to clarify that this story is fake. Ā The only source I can find is Creambmp.com, which is a (very badly done) self-proclaimedĀ āParody and Satireā site.
This screencap was pulled from their incredibly scant About page.
I canāt find any source on this that doesnāt reference back to creambmpās āarticleā as the source. Ā In addition, that crusty old dude they used as the header for the article isnāt even Marc Brown. Ā This is Marc Brown:
Iād just like to make this clear before the wrong idea spreads around too much. Ā This kinda thing can fuck with peopleās emotions pretty badly, especially if you grew up enjoying the show and his books a lot as a kid. Ā It especially hurts since he seems like a genuinely nice person, as far as I can find.
When most of fandom treats you as the devil just because you are able to do what Peridot couldnāt:
No really, sheās not doing anything different, just that she is able to fight them physically (and win against Amethyst)
ALSO BE PROUD (I really wanted to point this out but I couldnāt find gifs)
āThatās right I am a Pearl!ā
āRose said I was perfect the way I was!ā
Could you just imagine how painful would have been for them to be told that in first season? (Amethyst felt useless and not needed, Jasperās words dināt seemed to affect her more than her punches, she was fine and hurried to keep fighting not caring about Jasperās words).
Wondering if Cheeto Puff will ever be canonically one of Stevenās moms...She seems to think she can only fight and probably could start thinking that sheās weak and canāt take on fusions.
The more I think abt it the more I think ghb wouldāve seen Darkleer as nothing and as much as I like pale ghbleer, given canon knowledge we have off the Zahhaks, and the Makarasā¦.man they justā¦do NOT seem like a possible pairing. Like, assuming that Darkleer was anything more then a common soldier.