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Logically Consistent Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism Vouches for Intersex Genocide
Often you’ll hear TERFs tell trans women, “Stop appropriating women!” They’ll harass us, call us tools of the patriarchy, and try to silence us like they did with Theryn Meyer’s Twitter (apparently, they’re against free speech because they’ll attempt to silence any trans woman with a dissenting opinion and a large enough fan-base). So I’m here to pound this disgusting ideology into the ground once and for all.
The consequences of TERFism’s “kill all men and ‘appropriators’ of women” and “genital and chromosome based oppression” rhetoric are either: intersex genocide, contradiction, or abandonment of its concept of sex-based Patriarchy.
Let me ask you this, TERFs: are cAIS women appropriating women? They have XY chromosomes and testes, so they’re chromosomally and gonadally male. Are XX Male Syndrome men appropriating men? They’re chromosomally women after all. Where do we draw the line?
You could respond to this by saying that they aren’t appropriating anyone because they’re intersexed, but then the natural conclusion from this we could draw is transsexual women aren’t appropriating women because transsexualism/gender dysphoria is a neurological intersex condition that you’re born with. You shouldn’t contradict yourself.
You could respond with, “cAIS women are still oppressed by the patriarchy and are still women”, but this forces you to drop your theory of sex-based patriarchy.
Thirdly, you could respond with, “Yes, and they are oppressing women, so they should be killed.”
Therefore, logically consistent TERFism calls for genocide of intersex people.
Please, I’m begging you. Please. Listen to actual intersex people and voices before using our experiences which you know nothing about to prop up your morally bankrupt ideologies.
I see that you’re only 18. Please examine what you are doing, how you are using me, using intersex experiences and voices as a prop, as a dehumanized tool, a patriarchal weapon, without the slightest bit of empathy or understanding.
Your reasoning is so twisted and reeking of such bad faith that I don’t even know where to begin.
As an intersex person who has been abandoned by her friends in the past for being a TERF and SWERF, I’ll try to answer your disingenuous, black and white line of questioning.
I am not one of those fabled CAIS intersex women that trans people love to use to prop up their heartless arguments, but I am an XY afab born with a vagina, undescended testes, and a lifelong genetic disorder that has and will continue to greatly affect my quality of life.
I consider myself biologically male when you get down to it, but as an intersex person, obviously it is not so simple. For one, I have a vagina. My body cannot produce any androgens, so I never underwent a male puberty. Outwardly, my biology has always fit the female box instead of the male box, and so I was raised female, complete with the subservient conditioning of female socialization, and with the added bonus of intersex trauma and invasive medical examinations and therapies, which included having doctors feel my vulva periodically during my childhood to satiate their curiosity over the existence and extent of my sexual feeling, and having the depth and width of my vagina measured to ensure my defective body could still satisfy my would-be future husband.
This is not my whole story, but I will ask, is it enough? Do you need more proof of how different my experience is from that of normal men and transwomen? Do you require a deeper invasion into my history, my identity, my body to be satisfied that I am not just a trans person who managed to find a biological loophole during gestation, or as several trans acquaintances have told me, was “lucky” to be born in a body assigned the gender I “identify” as?
So, where do we draw the line? Is the fact that being intersex is forced upon unknowing, unconsenting people, fetuses who never wanted to be born between sex boundaries, enough? You seem to think “brain sex” is real and transgender identity is an intersex disorder, so maybe not. How about genitals then? Intersex disorders come in many different flavors, but those who are assigned the opposite sex of their chromosomes at birth all have one thing in common: they have fucked up genitalia and reproductive organs that honestly defy easy categorization. Is this true of the transwomen who seem to desperately require intersex bodies as ideological shields? No? I thought so.
Intersex people are not appropriating anyone. We cannot, as a rule, because we were literally born here, in this ugly, uncertain, unhappy, physically real middle between male and female. We grew up here. We did not take it. We just want to be let live. We don’t need to rely on flimsy, intellectually bankrupt and sexist “brain sex” arguments to forcefully carve out a space for ourselves. If anything, trans people are appropriating intersex experiences, fetishizing our experiences and using us as pawns, forced under their trans umbrella against our will.
Also one last thing, no radical feminist in her right mind is calling for outright indiscriminate killing of men as feminist policy, and even if that was the case, no radical feminist on earth has the power to even contemplate implementing such a cartoonish plot. We don’t want transwomen to die. We just want them to stay away from us, and be legally able to protect and make spaces for women who grew up with the social and biological realities of having female genitalia in a male supremacist world. Please read up on feminism if you seriously want to debate it.
If you don’t care about my experiences, why would you expect me to care for yours?
> We don’t want transwomen to die.
Then you should tell people in your movement who message us to kill ourselves, and physically assault us, to gfto. Stop making excuses for it. You would like to live and let be? So would I. So let me be.
You know nothing about gender dysphoria, or what it’s like to be born with it. Stop pretending like you do.
And stop with the social constructionist bullshit. That has already been debunked numerous times: John/Joan/John, for instance.
Also: https://equestrian-volk.tumblr.com/post/166048608538/having-body-dysmorphia-about-your-genitals-doesnt
If you don’t care about my experiences, I don’t care about yours.
Thank you for the honesty, finally. So I guess we’re agreed then?
Don’t use intersex people in your cries for validation. Leave us alone. You don’t give a shit about any “intersex genocide”. It’s just a manipulative rhetorical device. Quit it, and focus instead on finding peace with yourself, like the rest of us are.
Good luck.
Will sexual harassment discussions ever advance to the core issue of women’s status as consumable sex objects instead of centering on when and where it’s inappropriate to consume us? Tune in next century.
if someone’s worst issues in life are a bunch of strangers not obeying and agreeing with their identity and gender politics i think they’re pretty privileged
Mistreating trans people isn’t disagreeing with gender politics, it’s being a cunt
Maybe we don’t use slurs against women, even if we think they’re despicable? I’ve never needed to use the n-word for Ben Carson or even use Trump’s body as an insult, so why do you feel the need to demean women when you think they’re absolutely wrong?
“cunt” is an insult, not a slur
Google’s definition of slur actually just equates it to an insult so that is unhelpful. In context, though, we understand a slur to be used against a specific group to dehumanize them. Slurs dont’t attack a person’s character but their existence. “Cunt” is a slur only used to attack women and tear them down. Own that you’re a misogynist or leave.
“cunt” is undeniably a slur used against women. And when it’s used to insult a man, it basically means “stop being a woman”.
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Look, I'm not gonna stoop to your level and call you stupid, but sex IS a social construct. Body parts are just body parts. You can't call yourself a feminist (let alone a radical one) and support the ordering of society based on those parts. It's misogynist to suggest that there's some innate biological reason for patriarchy to exist.
Patriarchy isn’t a biological phenomena. It came about when one sex (male) decided they were better than the other sex (female). I’m sorry but you deadass just said biology is a social construct and I cannot and will not take you seriously
there's nothing for trans women 'males' TO acknowledge. Sex is the same system of classifying people's bodies into social strata as gender; both need to be abolished. Idk how you as a feminist can support either. I don't know a single trans woman who says "wow gender is really great and has really made my life better" because news flash nobody likes trans women and they're not treated like "males" by society writ large
If you think sex is a social concept you’re wasting my time and are too stupid to breathe tbh
most ex-muslims feminists are terfs. islam’s transphobic legacy.
have you considered maybe its cuz we’ve gone through sex based oppression and thus see right through gender theory bullcrap?
islam believes that women are inferior and only exist to serve their husbands and there are fucking muslim countries where women can be sent to jail for not covering their head so yeah we’re not in the mood to deal with men who think theyre women cuz they ~feel~ like it.
they really say "have human decency" and "cunt" in the same sentence huh
if someone’s worst issues in life are a bunch of strangers not obeying and agreeing with their identity and gender politics i think they’re pretty privileged
Mistreating trans people isn’t disagreeing with gender politics, it’s being a cunt
once again, if the worst “mistreatment” one recieves is being called a he when they want to be called a she, they must be pretty damn priviledged
and lmao calling me a cunt how original of you
If a woman’s worst experience is someone trying to be comfortable in their body, than they must be pretty damn privileged too
Well, cunt truly is the only way to describe a messy bitch like you
it’s not my responsibility to list out everything women experience and the violence trans activists and trans women specifically are directed at women for you. clearly, that is not our worst experience and you’re intentionally being ignorant
seriously you could view our blogs for .5 seconds and find receipts
it’s also not my or any women’s responsibility to help someone feel comfortable with their delusions that are at our expense
whoa you’ve broadened your vocabulary and called me a bitch! how progressive
Oh no, I’m not being ignorant. It’s just the fact that, if this is something that really bothers you, you’re privileged. If you really faced the misogyny that women faced, this wouldn’t be your biggest concern.
You also seem to forget the fact that trans women face similar abuse, are beaten for “tricking people” or for simply existing at all. Are there women who face abuse for simply being women, of course, anyone can be abused for just being who they are. But no one is left homeless because they are cis. No one has their family disown them because they are cis.
I don’t get what is with you people and invalidating someone’s experiences simply because “they aren’t women, they don’t go through what I have to” because, news flash, anyone can share experiences. You’ve just got your head too far up your own ass to realise it.
And you’re delusional if you think treating someone with basic human decency is a problem for you or any woman.
But, apparently, the overabundance of this information hasn’t seemed to touch you, yet. My mistake.
someone "trying to be comfortable in their body" is never something that bothered me. like you've got to be kidding if you really think that's all there is to this. i used to BE a trans activist and i stood for trans individuals and was convinced for a while i wasn't a woman either
it became a problem when lesbians started to be called genital fetishists because they didn't wanna fuck trans women and validate their delusions. it became a problem for me when people started to lump trans women with actual women as if we have any of the same experiences or can relate on the same level biologically. when i started to see "uterus havers". when these trans women started to get mad at women talking about our exclusive terms and experiences because it didn't include and coddle them. when having our own spaces being invaded is perfectly okay because he says he is a she
really? "cunt" "bitch" "if you REALLY experienced x" you aren't any different than a misogynistic male and use the same terminology. let me guess, you get pissed when you hear slurs against trans people like tranny?
"beaten for tricking people" seriously oh my god. if you hide that serious of a factor and are about to get intimate that's fucked up. i've also heard lesbians getting slapped for saying "you're a man" when going home with trans women and realizing it when about to get intimate and not being okay with it because they are LESBIANS
"anyone can be abused for who they are" men will never experience the ones women go through. never. there are experiences specific to us, traumatic experiences SPECIFIC to our sex
you know who are also left homeless and disowned for who they are? lesbians. that doesn't stop trans identified males from being disgusting and having the exact same rates of violence as any other male
i'm stating literal facts. you're offended by facts. i am not obligated to be a good girl and validate someone's fragile identities about being a women when they are not and never will be. males can't share the experience of being a women with women
once again, i'm not delusional by stating facts. i stopped being nice for no reason when the majority of trans women i have interacted to have been very aggressive from the get go and like to threaten violence
if someone’s worst issues in life are a bunch of strangers not obeying and agreeing with their identity and gender politics i think they’re pretty privileged
Mistreating trans people isn’t disagreeing with gender politics, it’s being a cunt
once again, if the worst “mistreatment” one recieves is being called a he when they want to be called a she, they must be pretty damn priviledged
and lmao calling me a cunt how original of you
If a woman’s worst experience is someone trying to be comfortable in their body, than they must be pretty damn privileged too
Well, cunt truly is the only way to describe a messy bitch like you
it's not my responsibility to list out everything women experience and the violence trans activists and trans women specifically are directed at women for you. clearly, that is not our worst experience and you're intentionally being ignorant
seriously you could view our blogs for .5 seconds and find receipts
it's also not my or any women's responsibility to help someone feel comfortable with their delusions that are at our expense
whoa you've broadened your vocabulary and called me a bitch! how progressive
Gamer bros: if gaming industries keep pandering to the feminists and lgbt im never playing video games again.
everyone else:
if someone’s worst issues in life are a bunch of strangers not obeying and agreeing with their identity and gender politics i think they’re pretty privileged
Mistreating trans people isn’t disagreeing with gender politics, it’s being a cunt
once again, if the worst "mistreatment" one recieves is being called a he when they want to be called a she, they must be pretty damn priviledged
and lmao calling me a cunt how original of you
“respect trans women” why do lesbians have to sleep with a group of people they have no interest in sexually to prove their “respect” for trans women? you’re all rape apologists and are pushing conversion therapy rhetoric like it’s nothing
Umm…litteraly no one is saying you have to sleep with anyone; so if you could stop demonizing transwomen, they would be great…
Wow, gaslighting when the proof is right in front of your face. What kind of fucking monster are you?
Can you not even see it? Like truly you can’t?
defending trashbag rape apologists makes you a
rape apologist
@op wym, everyone knows if u won’t date or have sex w someone u obvs don’t respect them at all and probably want them dead. just ask the millions of friendzoned incel men who’ve been trying to tell u this for ages smh
damn u right, the government should have been issuing us as sex holes to incels this WHOLE time
delusions: unvalidated ☕
“respect trans women” why do lesbians have to sleep with a group of people they have no interest in sexually to prove their “respect” for trans women? you’re all rape apologists and are pushing conversion therapy rhetoric like it’s nothing
Umm…litteraly no one is saying you have to sleep with anyone; so if you could stop demonizing transwomen, they would be great…
some are, but okay, i’ll concede.
the photo is literal proof of someone using that rhetoric of it being transphobic not to include trans women within lesbian dating pools and spaces. it’s right there.
got blockd while messaging, guess they gave up after i mentioned FGM and that no matter what physical or chemical alterations they do to their body wont change who they were born as. ☕