Frozen 3 is Coming! ❄️

Lilac | 23 | Kristanna | Elsamaren |

[that-frozen-queen]

Okay, so you remember how fucked up the Frozen fandom was after Frozen 2? We aren’t going to let that happen with Frozen 3… right?!

I mean we had people getting doxxed over a fictional story, and people were tagging the writers in fandom discourse on social media. Don’t let it happen again.

[eylih]

What do you mean, Frozen 2 will be 5 years old next month???

[that-frozen-queen]

Frozen 2 will be old enough to go to school…

[that-frozen-queen]

Day 1,752 of wishing this scene was in the movie.

[that-frozen-queen]

The way this scene would have fixed 98% of my issues with the movie.

We see Anna being HAPPY and even agreeing with Elsa’s decision, and it was just as much about Anna’s place as it was Elsa’s.

It also gave us closure and understanding for why Elsa had to stay in the forest.

[that-frozen-queen]

Day 1,752 of wishing this scene was in the movie.

[that-frozen-queen]

I actually don’t mind that Anna became queen, because one time when I was a teenager, I wrote a fic where Anna became a queen and got death threats for it… so this feels like such a fuck you to them.

[that-frozen-queen]

Also while I am talking about Magnifico, I keep seeing people say he was poorly written because “they forgot to make him scary and made us feel bad for him instead.” And I’m sorry, but if you lack the nuance and understanding to sympathize with someone while still understanding that what they are doing is fucked up… then that’s not on anyone but you.

Several fantasy villains have tragic backstories. Several REAL LIFE villains have tragic backstories, but that doesn’t make their actions even less harmful.

[somecallmejohn]

Ppl will defend Magnifico and act as if Asha was in the wrong for asking him to return the wishes and will completely ignore how he basically hoards the most important essence of the human soul from each of the people of Rosas and won’t return it to them unless he judges it as safe for his standards considering how he’s the self proclaimed authority on what wish should be granted and what shouldn’t and that basically it’s his ego and god complex that makes him a villain.

[somecallmejohn]

@frowerssx2 Firstly, in the very beginning of the movie it’s said that he co-founded Rosas with Amaya? Hence why he’s the king? He wasn’t born with the right to rule Rosa’s he just so happened to find an island he liked and start the kingdom on it. There’s no “birthright”.

Secondly, him being the king doesn’t give him the right to keep the most important part of one’s heart(as described by him btw), literally the most important essence of one’s character/soul, so important that a person is never the same without it (as shown with Simon), for himself to do whatever the hell he wants with it like idk… destroying them to create a magic staff for his own selfish uses bc a teenager and later on the kingdom dares to question his flawed logic.

And thirdly and most importantly Asha didn’t ask him to grant every wish, but to return the wishes he doesn’t plan on granting, as he doesn’t have the right to own what’s basically the key part of one’s soul, so that the people of Rosas could have the chance to try achieving their dreams themselves and if there was a wish that genuinely seemed to be of harm to the kingdom he could stop it as he’s literally the most powerful person in the Kingdom.

Also that quote… yeah no comment

[pickypickypeak]

All of this and also. I’ve seen people justifying mag because people give their wishes willingly (which is true). But you conveniently forget magnifico is actively lying to his subjects. All they know is, he will grant their wishes at some point. There’s a crucial part he’s hiding from them: “if I deem your wish ungrantable, I will never grant them and you’ll lose a part of yourself forever (and also waste your life hoping for me to grant it instead of trying chasing it yourself).” Don’t you think they should be informed of that before they willingly give their wishes to him huh?

Also it’s very very baffling to me that people actually look at sabino’s wish and go “yeah magnifico is right. It’s too vague it’s dangerous” BRO HE WANTS TO SOUND A MANDOLIN

[somecallmejohn]

Ppl will defend Magnifico and act as if Asha was in the wrong for asking him to return the wishes and will completely ignore how he basically hoards the most important essence of the human soul from each of the people of Rosas and won’t return it to them unless he judges it as safe for his standards considering how he’s the self proclaimed authority on what wish should be granted and what shouldn’t and that basically it’s his ego and god complex that makes him a villain.

[that-frozen-queen]

Wish may not be my favorite Disney movie by any means, but man, Asha has definitely been put in the list of characters I will defend to the death. Like do people understand how much of our personalities are made up of our wishes? Our desires? It is not lost on me that some of you just defend him because he’s hot, but it’s interesting how some of you just lack basic media literacy skills.

[that-frozen-queen]

“Elsa’s going to be the protagonist of Frozen 3!”

“Anna’s going to be the protagonist of Frozen 3!”

Screw that, what are we, as a fandom, going to do if Olaf is the protagonist of Frozen 3?

[quirkydisneyprincesses]

Not saying all Disney Princesses should have the same personality, but I can’t help but have an itching feeling that a lot of the pushback against “quirky” and “adorkable” princesses is rooted in at least some form of misogyny. I mean, what? Girls can’t be socially awkward? Is that what you’re saying?

[that-frozen-queen]

While I understand being tired of the “quirky character” trope, I do think it’s interesting that the “quirky male characters” don’t get the same level of vitriol as quirky female characters.

(I’ve seen people shit on Mirabel for the same socially awkward behavior they love about Bruno.)

Also, nobody brings up the fact that a lot of the male companions, romantic or not, have had very similar personality traits as each other. Eugene, Kristoff, Maui & Nick Wilde all fall under the umbrella of “sarcastic and skeptical companion who warms up to their female counterparts after lacking emotional intelligence for the majority of the film.”

And I will be the first to admit that Eugene and Kristoff are two of my favorite male characters, but if we’re going to criticize the female characters, we need to criticize the female characters.

Also as far as having a character who doesn’t fit the mold of “adorkable Disney Princess,” Raya is right there, and nobody wanted to watch her movie or buy her movie… so there’s that.

[that-frozen-queen]

What I want for each character in F3 (&4)

Anna

Her trauma to be addressed.

They’ve honestly played around with Anna’s relationship with her self worth in deleted scenes, and I think they should actually commit to it this time. It makes so much sense considering everything she’s been through.

GIVE HER A FUCKING SWORD AND ACTUALLY LET HER USE IT GODDAMMIT.

Her relationship with Mathias gets explored.

Elsa

Can we actually have her save the day on her own for once? I get that Anna’s the “hero” but I actually just want her to save the day. Just once. Doesn’t have to be both movies. Just one will be fine.

I would love to explore more of Elsa without her powers. 💙

I think they could dig a little deeper into Elsa than they have been.

Kristoff

A FUCKING BACKSTORY. What happened to him before he was with those ice harvesters in the beginning of F3 + F4

GIVE HIM A FUCKING SWORD AS WELL.

I just need more of Kristoff being one of my favorite fictional boyfriends.

Olaf

I know F1 Olaf represented a young child, F2 Olaf represented an older Olaf, F3 should make Olaf a teenager because it would be funny. /j

[ingridverse]

Sword for Anna! Sword for Kristoff! Sword for Elsa! Swords for everybody!

Not you, Olaf.

[that-frozen-queen]

My point, exactly.

But for real, nobody give Olaf a sword, the idea terrifies me.

[gqa-lite]

Can I just…make a defense post for Anna real quick?

Recently, people have been grouping recent Disney heroines into this new group “Quirky Girl” and have been claiming that they’re all the same character.

Now, I can’t speak for every Disney Heroine because I’m more well versed in Frozen-ness, so I want to talk about why Anna is much more than just a “Quirky Girl” clone.

The argument being made is that the only flaw that the “Quirky Girl” has is that…well…she’s quirky. Other than this, she’s typically portrayed as always being right while being spirited and positive.

Yes, Anna is quirky and positive. Yes, she is determined and brave and always means well. But to say that this is her only flaw is wildly incorrect.

Anna is forceful as hell — she strong-arms people to get her way and doesn’t take no for an answer. This is what leads to so many conflicts in F1 and F2. In F1, she is also very naive. She is desperate for love, and even romantic love — something that a lot of modern Disney heroines have actually not even addressed. And in F2 she is terrified of change and losing the people she loves. I would even say that Anna kind of matures and even loses a bit of the quirky characteristics. Like…Anna is incredibly flawed. She is so much more than just ‘quirky’ and spirited, and she’s definitely not always in the right.

I would dare to even say that she actually fights to be determined and earns the right to be so. Like, this girl has been through so much shit that the fact she can find the courage to rise and still fight — holy crap. Anna is such multi-dimensional character and it’s just so sad to me that people are just seeing her quirky side and immediately dismissing her.

[that-frozen-queen]

Also, is the ship name for Isabela and Elsa… Elsabela? Because it’s pretty but I also really like Snowflower.

[that-frozen-queen]

Can ROTBTD make a come back? I know it’s still around, but I haven’t heard alot from the fandom in years, and that fandom was my shit. I just want it to become popular again.

[that-frozen-queen]

Hot take: Hans was a great villain, some of you cannot get over your crush on him to see that the villain twist not only makes sense, but is important for Anna’s character especially.

How oftentimes, growing up in sheltered environments makes people more susceptible to be manipulated… which Anna was. To show how her desperation of love could be used against her by people who don’t really give a shit about her.

[that-frozen-queen]

Also, H*lsa stans found this, but I’m not going to argue. The post was appropriately tagged. If I wanted to argue with you guys, I would have tagged the ship. But a few things:

First of all, I never said that Hans was only important to Anna. It’s the fact that every “argument” I hear about why Hans is a good guy is focused on Elsa as a character, and never focuses on Anna.

He found a woman that was sheltered and do anything for love, used her trauma to manipulate her for his own personal gain. Not only that, he left her for dead instead of helping her. This is something that happens to women in real life, and I honest to god think that it’s insensitive to say that he really wasn’t that bad, when women face this shit every day.

The issue isn’t that I don’t see the “broader point of Hans character”- it’s that people in this fandom don’t see any character’s importance outside of how they impacted Elsa. Because guess what H*lsa shippers?

He tried to kill her also… after leaving her sister for dead. He used her own fears against her, the same way he used Anna’s fears against her.

Hans is not a good person, he’s a great villain, but you guys making him out to be this misunderstood victim? No. Again, like I said in the previous tags, if you think he deserves a redemption arc, I strongly disagree, but that’s one thing. Denying that what he did was evil is gross.

[that-frozen-queen]

Hot take: Hans was a great villain, some of you cannot get over your crush on him to see that the villain twist not only makes sense, but is important for Anna’s character especially.

How oftentimes, growing up in sheltered environments makes people more susceptible to be manipulated… which Anna was. To show how her desperation of love could be used against her by people who don’t really give a shit about her.

[that-frozen-queen]

When Anna and Kristoff get married, Anna’s maid of honor will definitely be Elsa, and Kristoff’s best man will definitely be Sven. Which means now, I am imagining Elsa dancing with a reindeer.