thatsnotbeautiful

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DRAG SISTERS

[thatsnotbeautiful]

i’m currently heavily pregnant myself so in my usual “inflict my struggles on the faves”, my brain is like “pregnant Alastor”, which is such a cursed concept. prob one of the worst HH characters to be preg

we also dunno how/if anything is spawned in hell; i’m imagining either eggs or some kinda CoC situation where a bunch of bats, shadow tentacles, imps or other monsters just exeunt

[hyperthusiast]

I had a crazy, off-the-wall thought last week that I wish I had thought to share. In the wake of episode 4, I was thinking back to this exchange from season 1:

Obviously, Mimzy skirting around the word 'friend' was always kind of interesting to me, and now having more context from Mr. There-Are-No-Friends-In-Hell, it makes a little more sense. Seems like Alastor is rather reluctant to use that word, in general - whether that reluctance started before or after Vox remains to be seen, though.

But then I couldn't help but think that it was kind of curious that Angel very specifically called out the word friends. He could have just asked something like "So, you know Alastor pretty well, then?" or "So you to are close?" But instead, he very specifically asked what they were to each other, and even at the time, I thought that was kind of strange. I remember when I first watched the episode wondering why that was this approach. And then after Mimzy answers, Angel even goes onto say he "didn't know he had any of those."

So, in the wake of episode 4, I recalled this exchange, and my thoughts went basically like this: 'Wow, it's almost like Vox specifically asked Angel to ask that. But obviously that wouldn't happen! I mean, Vox even asked about using Angel as a spy, and Valentino said he wouldn't do it. I wonder if he ever tried to get information from him, though. Tried to get Angel to tell him what Alastor was doing, and somewhere along the line Vox made the offhanded comment of 'Alastor doesn't have friends', which prompted Angel's curiosity. But I don't see Vox just chatting with Angel, and if he tried to get information from him, surely Angel would've said something about it. Of course Vox could have hypnotized him to tell him stuff... but I feel like that's reaching. It'd be a decent plan on Vox's part, but we have no reason to think that actually happened, especially when the Vees already dismissed the idea of using him as a spy.' And then I dismissed the thought like an idiot!

I mean, I did think it was weird how after the Sir Pentious's plan fell through, Vox just gave up. I just thought that was one of those hand-wave things because of the show's time constraints. But no, of course the guy who always has a plan didn't give up! Because it's not just this season he's been hypnotizing Angel, it's been going on since probably shortly after Pentious failed.

Wait, sudden thought - when Angel confronted Pentious, this happened...

Obviously, this is Pentious's little snake-charmer defense mechanism and is entirely different, but maybe this was meant to be foreshadowing. It looks similar to Vox's hypnotism, and in a way, Angel being hypnotized was a direct result of him catching Pentious - if he hadn't, Vox wouldn't have needed a new spy, after all (well, on that I have my doubts, but you see the vision). This could have been a subtle nod to what was about to happen to him. It doesn't really matter; I just thought it was a neat touch.

Back to what I was saying, we actually know for a fact that Angel was under Vox's hypnotism for at least part of last season. In the little montage we got at the end of the last episode, we saw this text exchange between Angel and Vox:

And this isn't from this season. This shows them fortifying the hotel before the extermination - specifically, I believe, the rest of the hotel preparing while Charlie and Alastor are in Cannibal Town and Vaggie is talking to Carmilla.

And then there's this -

That's the same robe Angel was wearing during Poison, and what happened at the end of Poison?

This weird little exchange that none of us could figure out what it meant!

And when Angel gets back to the hotel, he's rubbing his head like he has a headache - the same thing we see him complaining about in episode 5 of this season. Not weird on its own, all things considered, but coupled with everything else, Angel absolutely just underwent some hypnosis here. Don't know if it was the first time or not, but I think it's safe to say that Angel was a sleeper agent at least since episode 4 of season 1.

Anyway, all this is to say, Vox told Angel to ask Mimzy if she and Alastor were friends. My guy needed to reassure himself that Alastor doesn't have any friends, and it wasn't just him.

[thatsnotbeautiful]

i’m back again thinking abt the differences between Alastor and Vox

they both want power, but their reasons are very different, as are their relationships to others around them who do/don’t have power

afaict, as a human, Alastor starts killing in response to being subjugated by someone else (for that first kill anyway, idk about the rest). when he summons Rosie and asks her to make him the strongest demon in hell, he literally says it’s so that he won’t be weak, so ppl will leave him alone and he’ll be able to continue with his “fun”. it doesn’t sound like he necessarily wants /power over others/ — he just wants power so people won’t mess with him. bc he’s seen from experience on Earth that if you’re lower down the food chain, people will mess with you and it sucks.

there’s also the couple of times we see him dealing w/people weaker than him. ppl commenting on his S1 recap song on YouTube have pointed out that he could have been more mocking towards Angel’s situation, but instead he just calls Angel a “tragic victim of circumstance”. and then there’s the prequel comic where the butcher starts bullying/abusing the lamb, so Alastor goes back into the shop and rips the butcher apart saying he doesn’t like it when ppl behave like that. (idk what status the prequel comics occupy, if they were officially pulled offline maybe they’re no longer considered canon, but i’m also like, if this wasn’t important why would the creators show it in a comic to begin with lol.) there’s also the factoid in the fan wiki where the creator mentions if any serial killer inspired Alastor it would be Dexter, who killed using a specific code, which dictated he only kill Bad People. i’m defo not arguing that Alastor is some sort of crusader who only kills baddies to save others, bc he clearly doesn’t — he kills at random w/o knowing what ppl’s deals are, he kills bc he enjoys it (talking abt ppl’s screams on his broadcast etc), he clearly doesn’t care enough abt Angel’s situation to actually do anything to help. it’s more that i don’t think he goes out of his way to pick on weaker folk bc it’s easier — in fact it’s prob more that’s exactly why he /doesn’t/ do it, it’s too easy and therefore boring. and maybe he has a bit of empathy for these ppl bc he faced similar shit when he was alive.

Alastor and ppl /more/ powerful than him, on the other hand: the most significant group of demons he went after in hell were the other Overlords. the person he opts to fuck with for fun at the hotel? the literal king of hell. when he (supposedly) perceives Vox as weak he laughs at him and blows him off, when Vox is at his strongest he’s suddenly all up in his business excited to fight him. (imo there was no other reason for that fight except that and perhaps pride, Alastor could’ve easily fucked off with his freedom and not bothered confronting Vox at all.) there’s also how, during the S1 finale fight, he fought the most powerful angel in the army: Adam (altho one could argue he only did this as part of the hotel’s wider defense plan.)

/however/, he doesn’t seem to fight these ppl to a greater end. he doesn’t need/want anything from them. he’s already the most powerful sinner in hell, what does he have to gain from defeating other Overlords? i genuinely think he’s just here for a laff and does all that bc he finds it fun.

/on the other hand/, we have Vox. from what we can see of his life as a human, said life seems fine. he doesn’t have the most glamorous job ever, but he seems comfortable. importantly, none of the ppl he kills are directly doing anything negative to him. they’re just out there living their lives, but they occupy positions higher than Vox/that he wants, so he offs them. he kills out of ambition, bc he wants power, attention, for ppl to follow him, and to be “higher” than others. then ofc when he gets to hell he builds his whole media empire, and seems to control a lot of aspects of hell and its inhabitants’ lives even before the events of S2.

anyway, this brings me to the rejection conversation yet again: Vox’s proposition is that Alastor rule hell alongside him, as his partner. as i just went over, Alastor has never shown any desire to rule over anyone, lol. he just doesn’t doesn’t want ppl to rule over /him/. i might go as far to argue that in that moment Vox might’ve reminded him of some of the ppl he killed. i really think Vox just gave him the ick with that aspect of the proposition lol

i also think it’s telling that Vox was a white man as a human and Alastor was mixed, lmao. Vox really makes me think of those studies that have been conducted where if you put white men in a room with women or other minorities and the latter talk 50% and it’s actually equal, the white dudes will perceive it as the after group talking /more/ than 50% and therefore unfair to them, lol. i rly think Vox prob thinks of himself as a victim bc he didn’t get the things he “deserved” (ascending to the top of the TV network as a human, ruling heaven and hell as a demon), when ofc whether he really deserves those things or not remains to be seen

[cussundria-nerd-kneal]

Their killing styles are also, similar, but different.

They're both brutal, but Vox seems to go for the ambush route with minimal carnage, and maybe easy explainations for the murder (Bad thugging, backstage equippment accident, double suicide) until he gets bolder more unhinged, and then the brutality escalates until he's literally FILMING the murder.

While Alastor does a luring approach. Coaxes his victims out into the woods (speculation on him seducing his victims to lower their guard) and then his murders are VERY brutal and very very messy. Multiple stab wounds or axing leads to a lot of blood splatter.

Both like a spectacle, both like carnage, but their approaches to killing and dealing with the bodies differ.

I mention this, but New Orleans during the time Alastor would have been alive had some crazy laws when it came to murder, so Alastor's approach to killing would be more relaxed because he actually would have a good chance of walking free if he got caught. He still needed to ne careful though because of his dark skin. While he may have been able to walk free, he would kiss his career as a radio host goodbye if he was caught, and that was everything to him. Hell, he'd probably wouldn't be able to get a respectable, high paying job ever if he got caught.

While Vox was a white man living in the big city, distinctly Not New Orleans, and 20-30 years later, where murder laws would have changed and tightened up. While Vox may have had a more difficult time getting away with murder, and therefore needed to be way more careful, White Male Privledge is genuinely insane in what it allows white men to get away with. Vox could have gotten caught, and sent to jail, and that may have affected his career, he still would have had a higher chance even GETTING a career than Alastor would.

Like, a different tangent and point from what you were making - yours is more about their moral alignment when killing, but I do think their time period and living circumstsnces also inform their killing styles, which I just find all of this very facinating to think about!

[muku-gc]

Girl knows her bestie very well

[foolishhprince]

Yo ho pirate

[levtuve]

human Alastor doodles 🪓

[stas-j-fox]

Suddenly…D E A T H

[justdu-de]

They re so canon 🎶

[mint-fixates]

HEY SO Y'ALL KNOW HOW ALASTOR PULLS AT/RIPS OUT HIS HAIR WHEN HE'S EXTREMELY STRESSED OR UPSET RIGHT

SO UH

GUESS WHAT HE DOES WHILE REJECTING VOX'S OFFER TO BE PARTNERS???????

[luci-was-a-dreamer]

Marbles were lost. I repeat, marbles were lost.

[thatsnotbeautiful]

i’m back again thinking abt the differences between Alastor and Vox

they both want power, but their reasons are very different, as are their relationships to others around them who do/don’t have power

afaict, as a human, Alastor starts killing in response to being subjugated by someone else (for that first kill anyway, idk about the rest). when he summons Rosie and asks her to make him the strongest demon in hell, he literally says it’s so that he won’t be weak, so ppl will leave him alone and he’ll be able to continue with his “fun”. it doesn’t sound like he necessarily wants /power over others/ — he just wants power so people won’t mess with him. bc he’s seen from experience on Earth that if you’re lower down the food chain, people will mess with you and it sucks.

there’s also the couple of times we see him dealing w/people weaker than him. ppl commenting on his S1 recap song on YouTube have pointed out that he could have been more mocking towards Angel’s situation, but instead he just calls Angel a “tragic victim of circumstance”. and then there’s the prequel comic where the butcher starts bullying/abusing the lamb, so Alastor goes back into the shop and rips the butcher apart saying he doesn’t like it when ppl behave like that. (idk what status the prequel comics occupy, if they were officially pulled offline maybe they’re no longer considered canon, but i’m also like, if this wasn’t important why would the creators show it in a comic to begin with lol.) there’s also the factoid in the fan wiki where the creator mentions if any serial killer inspired Alastor it would be Dexter, who killed using a specific code, which dictated he only kill Bad People. i’m defo not arguing that Alastor is some sort of crusader who only kills baddies to save others, bc he clearly doesn’t — he kills at random w/o knowing what ppl’s deals are, he kills bc he enjoys it (talking abt ppl’s screams on his broadcast etc), he clearly doesn’t care enough abt Angel’s situation to actually do anything to help. it’s more that i don’t think he goes out of his way to pick on weaker folk bc it’s easier — in fact it’s prob more that’s exactly why he /doesn’t/ do it, it’s too easy and therefore boring. and maybe he has a bit of empathy for these ppl bc he faced similar shit when he was alive.

Alastor and ppl /more/ powerful than him, on the other hand: the most significant group of demons he went after in hell were the other Overlords. the person he opts to fuck with for fun at the hotel? the literal king of hell. when he (supposedly) perceives Vox as weak he laughs at him and blows him off, when Vox is at his strongest he’s suddenly all up in his business excited to fight him. (imo there was no other reason for that fight except that and perhaps pride, Alastor could’ve easily fucked off with his freedom and not bothered confronting Vox at all.) there’s also how, during the S1 finale fight, he fought the most powerful angel in the army: Adam (altho one could argue he only did this as part of the hotel’s wider defense plan.)

/however/, he doesn’t seem to fight these ppl to a greater end. he doesn’t need/want anything from them. he’s already the most powerful sinner in hell, what does he have to gain from defeating other Overlords? i genuinely think he’s just here for a laff and does all that bc he finds it fun.

/on the other hand/, we have Vox. from what we can see of his life as a human, said life seems fine. he doesn’t have the most glamorous job ever, but he seems comfortable. importantly, none of the ppl he kills are directly doing anything negative to him. they’re just out there living their lives, but they occupy positions higher than Vox/that he wants, so he offs them. he kills out of ambition, bc he wants power, attention, for ppl to follow him, and to be “higher” than others. then ofc when he gets to hell he builds his whole media empire, and seems to control a lot of aspects of hell and its inhabitants’ lives even before the events of S2.

anyway, this brings me to the rejection conversation yet again: Vox’s proposition is that Alastor rule hell alongside him, as his partner. as i just went over, Alastor has never shown any desire to rule over anyone, lol. he just doesn’t doesn’t want ppl to rule over /him/. i might go as far to argue that in that moment Vox might’ve reminded him of some of the ppl he killed. i really think Vox just gave him the ick with that aspect of the proposition lol

i also think it’s telling that Vox was a white man as a human and Alastor was mixed, lmao. Vox really makes me think of those studies that have been conducted where if you put white men in a room with women or other minorities and the latter talk 50% and it’s actually equal, the white dudes will perceive it as the after group talking /more/ than 50% and therefore unfair to them, lol. i rly think Vox prob thinks of himself as a victim bc he didn’t get the things he “deserved” (ascending to the top of the TV network as a human, ruling heaven and hell as a demon), when ofc whether he really deserves those things or not remains to be seen

[worldwright]

movie yapper scale (HOME movies we're not being public menaces)

0- NO talking during movie NONE. i will kill you

1- a couple comments but keep it short. no pausing

2- frequently points out little stuff ("ooh cool shirt", "are they stupid")

3- i will pause occasionally to have brief discussions about the movie

4- frequently discussing movie stuff. might talk over dialogue occasionally

5- it's just nonstop. can't enjoy the film if im not engaging with it!!

depends on who im watching with / depends on the movie

not a movie watcher

Voting ended onJul 26

[angkis]

[re-unknown]

Building a new hotel must be tiring, rest here my dear.

[kaycode1999]

Vox electrifying angel

VS. Him electrifying Alastor

Are we not gonna talk about how extremely strong and willful Alastor is to not break when being tortured by Vox when he’s already wounded from his fight with Adam and the Vee’s?

The only indication that Vox is actually getting to him is his shadow is screaming just like Angel is. But Alastor forces his mouth to stay closed and refuses to give Vox the satisfaction of letting him actually see that he’s in pain.

Strongest sinner in hell indeed

[kalico-of-doom]

Sketching/drawing is where I find most of my joy in the art process so I drew my favorite fellas at, likely, their most casual.

I really, really like the challenge of applying realistic musculature and mass to otherwise very cartoony figures, so these were both relaxing and very fun to work on.