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The sister: [David Tennant] is ugly, I don’t see how you find him attractive
Me, completely confused because we’ve never said we found David Tennant attractive (and also kind of creeped out because I’m an introject of a character he plays): h u h
Her, not noticing anything’s wrong: All British guys are ugly why do you like them so much
Me: David Tennant is Scottish
Her: Oh
Me: Yeah
Her: [referring to Matt Smith] That guy’s kind of hot
Me: w h a t
Scotland is in Britain, my guys
attention: @/ot3 is super aphobic (they’re @/platonicdivorce and @/zoe_jay_w on twitter)
did you even fucking read the screenshots!!! none of you care about aspec people and it really shows
Okay but as an aspec person that doesn’t even seem like it’s aphobia. I think you’re taking their comments out of context, they’re allowed to criticise the way a community intersects with theirs without being labelled an aphobe. It *is* true that people use being aspec as a catch all term when it doesn’t need to be one, and the effect that can have is damaging - it’s nobody’s place to discuss what is and isn’t a facet one ones identity.
Also it’s awful to try and “out” someone as an aphobe, with all their social media, just because they made a few nebulous criticisms. It’s disgusting behaviour.
Don’t assume people don’t care about a community because they disagree with you - it’s not your place to say that.
Could you imagine though if there was a group who labeled themselves “allistic autistics” and insisted that they had key symptoms of autism and then made a bunch of weird fetishy posts about uwu autism aesthetic and special interests? And then if any autistic person tried to tell them that scientifically this is impossible because autism is a well-documented and researched phenomenon linked to differences in neuro structure, those autistic people were called “autimedicalists” and “auti-scum”. That would be absolutely nutty. That would be ridiculous. That be beyond belief.
And yet.
Okay but who gives a shit about singlets “discovering themselves” when the payoff was misinformation, bigotry and bias being spread towards a medical disorder - thus putting those with the disorder at risk, alongside equating a metaphorical system of parts with a disordered system. Still, TSS should have taken the time to either explain plurality or differentiate the videos from plurality, and since they’ve done neither - it’s irresponsible and harming systems, who are once again expected to put our feelings aside so singlets can have development opportunities
He did do that. He came out and apologized, asked people in the DID community if it was okay, and only proceeded with Sides when people said “hey this is nothing like DID so it’s fine to keep doing.” The backlash of Sanders Sides only started in force when he came out as an ace supporter, which is when Sanders suddenly became “cringe” and horrible and bad.
I’ve also been able to use sanders sides as education for singlets. “You know that thing Thomas sanders does? That’s code-switching personfifed to the Nth degree. These aspects are similar to DID, and these aspects aren’t.” It’s so much easier to explain with a point of reference.
I’m not saying it’s fantastic and I agree he should’ve done more. But I’m also tired of seeing people bitch about it in the tags, since it only started en mass when the “he’s an asshole (btw he supports ace people” phase swept through tumblr.
I agree those videos can be helpful when discussing DID, but they’re still misinformed and although he got the “all clear”, he still should have done more research when people discussed the way his show represented DID - there are a whole host of issues when you think of this being some of the only representation we have, to a massive amount of people. Like it or not, the man has a fairly large platform and a responsibility to educate his audience. At least in my experience, having people compare your plurality to a allegorical funny web series isn’t often helpful.
I have my own issues with Sanders, but I think the majority of his work comes from a good place, and so I’m not saying he deliberately misinformed people. But it’s still a pattern of misinformation that has had consequences and if he honestly thought TSS didn’t represent peoples view of DID, it shows he didn’t do enough research.
I honestly don’t know enough about backclash to him, but TSS and more importantly it’s presentation of things like DID is still an issue, and it’s a shame that a genuine argument was used to further ace exclusionism. Also, if he did apologise, then why was nothing honestly changed?
There’s no disclaimer, nothing on his account discussing plurality, he hasn’t put up a video or a post differentiating his work from popular depictions of plurality, or anything in the descriptions of his videos - those are all small changes similar to ones he’s made around other issues, and the fact he hasn’t done any of the following just shows he either didn’t care enough or was incapable of handling the issue - again, when he (inadvertently) created an incredibly recognisable depiction of plurality and profited off it.
isnt that the guy who did bad eyeliner and put a tw for holding up the middle finger on instagram
That in fact is that guy. Hence why I’m not really a fan - that being said, his issues go beyond being “cringe”.
I made a new sysmed flag, red represents the rage that non-traumagenics bring, black represents the cellular decay they cause through the screen, and the teal and white represent hospital colours bc its a MEDICAL disorder <33
how are u 25 and endogenic 😭😭😭 ableist idiot!
Okay but who gives a shit about singlets “discovering themselves” when the payoff was misinformation, bigotry and bias being spread towards a medical disorder - thus putting those with the disorder at risk, alongside equating a metaphorical system of parts with a disordered system. Still, TSS should have taken the time to either explain plurality or differentiate the videos from plurality, and since they’ve done neither - it’s irresponsible and harming systems, who are once again expected to put our feelings aside so singlets can have development opportunities
He did do that. He came out and apologized, asked people in the DID community if it was okay, and only proceeded with Sides when people said “hey this is nothing like DID so it’s fine to keep doing.” The backlash of Sanders Sides only started in force when he came out as an ace supporter, which is when Sanders suddenly became “cringe” and horrible and bad.
I’ve also been able to use sanders sides as education for singlets. “You know that thing Thomas sanders does? That’s code-switching personfifed to the Nth degree. These aspects are similar to DID, and these aspects aren’t.” It’s so much easier to explain with a point of reference.
I’m not saying it’s fantastic and I agree he should’ve done more. But I’m also tired of seeing people bitch about it in the tags, since it only started en mass when the “he’s an asshole (btw he supports ace people” phase swept through tumblr.
I agree those videos can be helpful when discussing DID, but they’re still misinformed and although he got the “all clear”, he still should have done more research when people discussed the way his show represented DID - there are a whole host of issues when you think of this being some of the only representation we have, to a massive amount of people. Like it or not, the man has a fairly large platform and a responsibility to educate his audience. At least in my experience, having people compare your plurality to a allegorical funny web series isn’t often helpful.
I have my own issues with Sanders, but I think the majority of his work comes from a good place, and so I’m not saying he deliberately misinformed people. But it’s still a pattern of misinformation that has had consequences and if he honestly thought TSS didn’t represent peoples view of DID, it shows he didn’t do enough research.
I honestly don’t know enough about backclash to him, but TSS and more importantly it’s presentation of things like DID is still an issue, and it’s a shame that a genuine argument was used to further ace exclusionism. Also, if he did apologise, then why was nothing honestly changed?
There’s no disclaimer, nothing on his account discussing plurality, he hasn’t put up a video or a post differentiating his work from popular depictions of plurality, or anything in the descriptions of his videos - those are all small changes similar to ones he’s made around other issues, and the fact he hasn’t done any of the following just shows he either didn’t care enough or was incapable of handling the issue - again, when he (inadvertently) created an incredibly recognisable depiction of plurality and profited off it.
Okay but who gives a shit about singlets “discovering themselves” when the payoff was misinformation, bigotry and bias being spread towards a medical disorder - thus putting those with the disorder at risk, alongside equating a metaphorical system of parts with a disordered system. Still, TSS should have taken the time to either explain plurality or differentiate the videos from plurality, and since they’ve done neither - it’s irresponsible and harming systems, who are once again expected to put our feelings aside so singlets can have development opportunities
We have a new alter who loves the name river, and I’m so glad they feel this way frankly, it’s great to be able to identify differently
Half of all endo arguments aren’t even endo arguments in the first place. They just toss the topic of systemhood aside completely and talk about some LGBT issue instead. Like yeah, it’s nice to know we both hate LGBT exclusionists, but what did that have to do with being a system??
just saw someone claim "if you have trauma you're not endogenic"
my guys. my dudes. what about the systems who were plural since birth and got traumatized in their teens.
what about the systems who were unintentionally created during childhood and were traumatized later in life.
what about the systems who were genuinely not traumatized.
not everyone goes through heavy shit yknow
Okay but you still aren’t endogenic. Trauma later in life is awful, but there are other communities to support someone who goes through that. DIDOSDD is only caused by childhood trauma, if you don’t fall under that category for whatever reason, you cannot be a system.
Honestly though fuck the niceties I am fucking sick of endogenics acting like they have any fucking stake in the community. If you’re traumatised, you deserve a supportive community that understands that, if you aren’t - you’re bastardising a serious disorder and making it harder for people with the actual disorder to seek help. Honestly fuck right off. You don’t deserve spaces, you don’t deserve support, you deserve to get the fuck out of system spaces and stop making us fight for the rights to have a damn disorder.
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academic literature will be like “in polyfragmented DID there’s a high number of parts but typically only around 5 or so play an active daily role most of the time rather than all those parts being out for equal amounts of time” and people will be like [crickets] but someone on Reddit will be like “if you had 100 alters you would never be able to even think because of all of them coming out all the time. it would be total ego death and you would be catatonic. source: me.” and people are like “yeah ill incorporate that into my belief system”
Hello! As a white person I've been educated on this matter being in the trans community by POC.
To some of them, it isn't even necessarily the issue or cultural appropriation, it has to do with the fact that POC get put down, made fun of, etc. For their cultural based names, whereas a white person with those names are more likely to have it seen as "beautiful" or "unique"
One thing I learned from my sociology college class when we were going over racism and related issues was there's a very real problem of employers not calling applicants that have an obvious "not white name", so a POC with a "white" name has a chance of being called back versus if their name rang the "POC Bell" in the employers head. A woman named "Susan" is more likely to get a call back than a woman with a less "white sounding" name. A lot of immigrants historically were forced to change their names upon migrating to the USA, or the people flat out wrote their names incorrectly.
Using the bible as an argument is sort of counterproductive. Many of those names are translations of the actual names in the bible, not the exact name that was necessarily used historically.
There are plenty of cultures in Europe who's names are available! Beautiful names with beautiful meanings originating from Europe.
And there is acknowledgment that there are vague names that people don't know were once rooted in another culture, or were changed to fit ~western ideas~
Hope this helps !
All very good points I hadn't considered.
I will say that I'm still pretty on the fence. Names are very individual and have broken away from culture and race in so many ways, I think it's really very invalidating to ask an Alter to change their name. The flip side being that almost none of the Systems I have ever met identify as their Alters outside of the internet. So it seems wrong to ask them to change it when it is a part of them.
Still taking things under consideration and I fully understand what you're saying and I can see where the issues would be. Always a tough topic isn't it?
Thanks for your reply!! /gen
Hi, POC here! Please don’t talk over us (anon) about this issue. I’ve never met another POC with any issue about alters using traditionally cultural names, and using a sociology college class an as excuse to talk over the opinions of actual POC is frankly an insensitive thing to do, not to mention the ask in question is incredibly US centric, and doesn’t acknowledge those using other religious texts! Generally, there’s no issue using cultural names as an alter, unless the name has a specific cultural context that closes it to those outside that context!
Huh, it’s almost as though white people make mistakes when they talk over POC - don’t talk down to us about our names again, acknowledge you have no idea what you’re talking about, and leave this debate to actual POC! Also, the discussion of issues affecting POC as a white person to prove a point is incredibly shitty, and the entire tone of the ask just comes across as incredibly condescending.
Also what the fuck is a PoC bell, maybe go and retake that college sociology course if you really think *that’s* the issue.
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Endogenic Behaviour
As a traumagenic system ourselves, we’ve been wanting to make a post for some time reffering to the absolute damage, manipulation and stress Endogenic systems cause to actual systems - there’s no time like the present. I’m putting my points in bullet form to make it easier on the eyes, but imagine this is all one paragraph.
Endogenics don’t suffer from disscociative amnesia, blurring, PTSD-like symptoms or any of the other things that traumagenic systems deal with on a daily basis. Even if they were real, they shouldn’t be co-opting our terms, using our resources, or creating output on those experiences - because first and foremost it is not an experience they share.
This goes double considering the amount of high profile non disordered systems speaking publicly on systemhood (a disordered experience), and thus invalidating traumagenic experiences by trying to create a watered down, paletable view of DID - which absolutley reflects on the actual systems experiencing negative symptoms.
This culture of ‘reclaiming’ flags, posts ect. is ridiculous. They were never yours to reclaim, especially considering this is often against the explicit wishes of the original creators. For a group so focused on respecting boundaries - allegedly - this is unnaceptable behaviour.
The words sysmed and traumascum. Being trans is not medicalised, being a system is. There is NO scientific evidence supporting non medicalised system experiences, and comparing traumatised systems to a group of radical exclusionists is pathetic. The word traumascum is even worse, and to use someone’s trauma to insult them is just indicative of the commuity wide lack of understanding surrounding trauma.
Quoting an intercommunity survey and articles written by members of those communites (hello, @sophieinwonderland !) as evidence whilst also posing as a pseudo intellectual, and then preaching anti-psychiatry and anti-science viewpoints is not only irresponsible, but harmful.
Implying systems sharing their experiences of manipulation are lying or confused is not only gaslighting behaviour, but just goes to show the lack of respect for people’s trauma shown, and can make systems feel too invalidated to share their stories. Some of the responses to those posts were not only pathetic, but incredibly triggering and manipulative.
why do we even call singlets “endogenic”? you’re cosplaying a mental illness. you’re role playing. we already have terms for that
By calling them ‘endogenic’ we’re just legitimising their role-playing.
