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I'm going down a rabbit hole on the internet right now because I got curious, I have questions so this isn't really meant to be discourse more so I wanted to get answers from someone who understands the idea of endogenic systems and systems in general.
I'm struggling to comprehend the idea of a headspace, the way most people describe it sounds like they have a whole existence within the brain outside of the physical reality, how does that even work? It doesn't sound very plausible to me but of course Ive never lived with this sort of thing.
With endogenics, is it less of a splitting of personality and more of a shifting of mindset? or is it still a splitting of personality and giving it different names? [like if i were to name a part of my personality jim and then try to shift from mindset to mindset? like ah, im not me right now instead i am Jim and Jim gets shit done you know]
With that being said what are the differences between endogenic systems and DID? as ive heard people say they are two seperate things, and if they are seperate, then how can endo systems be traumagenic and still not be DID? if i make any sense here.
I will not lie to you, having an alternate guy in my brain who takes control and gives me a rest sounds absolutely appealing as fuck considering that i get easily overwhelmed and just wish there was a guy in my brain to do the stuff I dont like lol, im skeptical on this whole concept, but i used to believe in reality shifting pretty heavily, so i know our brains are capable of a LOT more than people give them credit for. i mean we are just electric meat at the end of the day huh? not to be that guy
This is truly fascinating to me, thank you for humoring me :P
Heyyy (sweats)
Definitely not answering this months late because when you sent this in, I was drowning in work and stuff um. BUT WE'RE ANSWERING IT NOW AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS!!!
We're finally, actually, truly back and open for business (and we have ideas for posts in case asks don't come in)!
Anyways back to your questions, Anon!
1.) For some, (often in therapeutic settings) headspaces are simply visualization tools used for communication, healing, or otherwise. And for others, it's more of a spiritual/physical place. The best I can explain it is a third space/world outside of everything. This space exists to them and everything that happens in there is as real to them as something in "the real world" would be. It's not something necessary to really "get" to accept it as something that matters to them!
2.) I'm not quite sure how to explain this honestly without excluding someone's experience because it really really depends. What you're describing in your scenario sounds more like willogenic/parogenic (created) plurality. There are a million ways a system could come to be and there's no one uniform way it happens or one uniform way to explain it. Sorry this is kind of a non-answer, maybe someone else could help you a bit more with that aspect!
3.) The difference between the two is that one is disordered (CDDs) and the other is not (endogenic and non-disordered traumagenic systems) because a system can be traumagenic or have traumagenic headmates but not have all the other stuff that comes with DID/OSDD. This is because DID/OSDD aren't just plurality, they come with dissociation, fugue states, and a bunch of other stuff like distressing identity disruption. So, if someone has headmates that are traumagenic, but doesn't experience all the other myriad symptoms of DID/OSDD, they wouldn't be considered disordered or diagnosed with those disorders.
I hope this was even the slightest bit helpful and if not, feel free to ask more questions or ask for clarification. I'm glad you're willing to learn c:
-Aradia (♈)
Heyyy (sweats)
Definitely not answering this months late because when you sent this in, I was drowning in work and stuff um. BUT WE'RE ANSWERING IT NOW AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS!!!
We're finally, actually, truly back and open for business (and we have ideas for posts in case asks don't come in)!
Anyways back to your questions, Anon!
1.) For some, (often in therapeutic settings) headspaces are simply visualization tools used for communication, healing, or otherwise. And for others, it's more of a spiritual/physical place. The best I can explain it is a third space/world outside of everything. This space exists to them and everything that happens in there is as real to them as something in "the real world" would be. It's not something necessary to really "get" to accept it as something that matters to them!
2.) I'm not quite sure how to explain this honestly without excluding someone's experience because it really really depends. What you're describing in your scenario sounds more like willogenic/parogenic (created) plurality. There are a million ways a system could come to be and there's no one uniform way it happens or one uniform way to explain it. Sorry this is kind of a non-answer, maybe someone else could help you a bit more with that aspect!
3.) The difference between the two is that one is disordered (CDDs) and the other is not (endogenic and non-disordered traumagenic systems) because a system can be traumagenic and have traumagenic alters but not have all the other stuff that comes with DID or OSDD. This is because DID/OSDD aren't just "plurality disorders", they come with dissociation, fugues, and a bunch of other stuff like identity disruption. So, if someone has alters that are traumagenic, but doesn't experience all the other myriad symptoms of DID/OSDD, they wouldn't be considered disordered or diagnosed with those disorders.
So! I hope this was even the slightest bit helpful and if not, feel free to ask more questions or ask for clarification, and I'm glad you're willing to learn c:
To us, its kinda complicated. Because yes, we do know the original definition of proship (anti-harassment and anti-censorship, which are both things we agree with!!).
But, unfortunately, over time the word has lost its definition and been co-opted by people who would probably better fit under the label of "darkship" (which is why that is also in our opinions section). Therefore, this label of "proship" now carries that connotation and when you ask someone "Hey, what's proship?" they will probably think of the negative connotation the word now carries.
We are NOT pro-harassment or pro-censorship, and we never will be.
But because that word now has a new meaning, we personally find ourselves to be anti-proship with the way it is currently widely used.
Thank you for asking!!
-Sal (🎸)
Hi Anon!
To us, its kinda complicated. Because yes, we do know the original definition of proship (anti-harassment and anti-censorship, which are both things we agree with!!).
But, unfortunately, over time the word has lost its definition and been co-opted by people who would probably better fit under the label of "darkship" (which is why that is also in our opinions section). Therefore, this label of "proship" now carries that connotation and when you ask someone "Hey, what's proship?" they will probably think of the negative connotation the word now carries.
We are not pro-harassment or pro-censorship, and we never will be. But because that word now has a new meaning, we personally find ourselves to be anti-proship at this moment.
Speaking of the blog, we will be officially back this Saturday and will resume posting asks and just regular old opinion posts as usual!! Our absence has finally come to a close!!
Yaaayyy!!
So, feel free to send in any asks if you have 'em, and we'll start typing up some stuff.
-?? (❓)
We did a little blog rebrand!!
Speaking of the blog, we will be officially back this Saturday, and will resume posting asks and just regular old opinion posts as usual!! Our absence has finally come to a close!!
Yaaayyy!!
So, feel free to send any asks if you have 'em, and we'll start typing up some stuff.
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Do you think there's any negative things that happen specifically in the pro-endo side of pluralblr? Like how anti-endo side is riddled with sysmeds trying to fakeclaim others for dumb shit. But is there a wave on the pro side?
Hi Anon!!
Yeah, there's always negative sides of communities no matter what. This does not exclude the pro-endo community!!
There are some exclusionary ideals some pro-endos still hold, there's a lot of unfortunate infighting, there are some pro-endos that will specifically seek out antis to harass them, there is in fact misinformation in some spaces of the pro-endo community (though not the misinformation anti-endos claim), and there are quite a few problematic people!
It's something that is always bound to happen with large internet groups, unfortunately, because the world is not a perfect place :/
The best thing we can do is try to be the best we can, correct misinformation we see, try not to fight amongst ourselves, and stay away from the hateful people!!!
-Kay (🐾)
Hi Anon!!
Yeah, there's always negative sides of communities no matter what. This does not exclude the pro-endo community!!
There are some exclusionary ideals some pro-endos still hold, there's a lot of unfortunate infighting, there are some pro-endos that will specifically seek out antis to harass them, there is in fact misinformation in some spaces of the pro-endo community (though not the misinformation the anti-endos claim), and there are quite a few problematic people!
It's something that is always bound to happen with large internet groups, unfortunately, because the world is not a perfect place :/
The best thing we can do is try to be the best we can, correct misinformation we see, try not to fight amongst ourselves, and stay away from the hateful people!!!
syscourse is stupid as hell how are you able to keep up with it 😭😭
heres a free lemon🍋
thank you, kind Anon, for the lemon.
honestly, we mostly just go with the flow and don't overthink our stances and other people's hatred too much.
(Not to mention we sort of enjoy internet drama because of attention-craving behaviors but shhh we don't talk about that -Callie)
it's basically a matter of not taking it too seriously and not getting hung up on if someone likes us or not. (we also go at our own pace and don't talk about or look into stuff we think we wouldn't be able to handle)
-Jonathan (👁️)
thank you, kind Anon, for the lemon.
honestly, we mostly just go with the flow and don't overthink our stances and other people's hatred too much.
(Not to mention we sort of enjoy internet drama because of attention-craving behaviors but shhh we don't talk about that -Callie)
it's basically a matter of not taking it too seriously and not getting hung up on if someone likes us or not. (we also go at our own pace and don't talk about or look into stuff we don't want to know about or think we wouldn't be able to handle)
Not giving this anon the dignity of a) seeing our response to their ragebait...? Weird thing they do for fun....????? and b) directly responding to them, I just had a thing to say about this.
Assuming if this were actually a genuine ask, a genuine person who genuinely thinks like this, (I know it is most likely not), this would definitely be underlying anti-endo ideology that this person has been holding within themself. This is genuinely just repackaged anti-endo ideas about endogenic plurality. And it's something that should be addressed in a healthy way if that were the case!!!
But unfortunately, it is sooo thinly veiled, it is painfully obvious that this is an anti-endo trying to stir up shit.
Additionally, grouping willogenic plurals up with radqueers and "transplural" (which is literally just another word for endogenic but the radqueer community is odd in their ways, I dont understand it) is mad weird. (And all of this ask is misinfo soo. Shrug.)
Thank you and farewell.
-Rot (🥩)
Anti-Willo-Anon Strikes Again
Not giving this anon the dignity of a) seeing our response to their ragebait...? Weird thing they do for fun....????? and b) directly responding to them, I just had a thing to say about this.
Assuming if this were actually a genuine ask, a genuine person who genuinely thinks like this, (I know it is most likely not), this would definitely be underlying anti-endo ideology that this person has been holding within themself. This is genuinely just repackaged anti-endo ideas about endogenic plurality. And it's something that should definitely be addressed!!
But unfortunately, it is sooo thinly veiled, it is painfully obvious that this is an anti-endo trying to stir up shit.
Additionally, grouping willogenic plurals up with radqueers and "transplural" (which is literally just another word for endogenic but the radqueer community is odd in their ways, I dont understand it) is mad weird. (And all of this ask is misinfo soo. Shrug.)
also same asker who had asked for endo sources, tysm! if we could be directed to stuff about cdds too that would be great because we dont know where to start research on the disorders themselves
HI AGAIN!!!
Happy to help, we would be happy to send some over. For starters, would still definitely recommend the ICD-11 and DSM-5-TR
We will unfortunately only be sending resources that use links because we almost nuked our Tumblr and laptop last time with the photo resources, if you want even more, would still recommend checking out RRH!! (Rainbow's Resource Hub) They have A LOT on CDDs/disordered plurality!!
Here are the links for ya!
The Molecular Genetics of Dissociative Symptomatology: A Transdiagnostic Literature Review
Dissociation in Trauma: A New Definition and Comparison with Previous Formulations
Maladaptive Daydreaming among patients with Dissociative Identity Disorder:A prevalence study
Introjection and dissociative identity disorder: a case report
Sighted and blind in one person: a case report and conclusions on the psychoneurobiology of vision
Separating Fact from Fiction: An Empirical Examination of Six Myths About Dissociative Identity Disorder
Epidemiology of Dissociative Disorders: An Overview
Dissociation and dissociative disorders
A neurostructural biomarker of dissociative amnesia: a hippocampal study in dissociative identity disorder
Conceptualizing multiplicity spectrum experiences: A systematic review and thematic synthesis
The Theory of Structural Dissociation
Problems with the Theory of Structural Dissociation
hi, not the same asker, but we saw the one asking if you were either endo safe or willo safe;
apparently, there's a few (we've seen only one but there's potentially more) blogs that are strictly anti created/willo but pro endo.
no idea how it works. we are two sides of the same coin and willos are endos' direct sibling so it's very confusing
Hi Anon!!!
Eugh, yeah, thats...mad weird?
Endogenic includes willogenic plurality like, by definition.
Also, willogenic plurality isn't actually hurting anybody, sure it might make some people "uncomfortable", "confused", or "weirded out" but that doesn't mean they should be excluded from the wider plural community or singled out as being "bad"??
Very strange and exclusionary and also feels like some un-processed/packaged anti-endo ideologies on those blogs parts.
-Rot (🥩)
Hi Anon!!!
Eugh, yeah, thats...mad weird?
Endogenic includes willogenic plurality like, by definition.
Also, willogenic plurality isn't actually hurting anybody, sure it might make some people "uncomfortable", "confused", or "weirded out" but that doesn't mean they should be excluded from the wider plural community or singled out as being "bad"?? Very strange.
We have been gone, quite obviously, for the past few..weeks? Month? Not quite sure on the exact period of time but we have certainly been gone!
Our most simple explanation for this is: school. It has dragged us back into the depths of hell and we have been completely overwhelmed for the first few weeks, only occasionally working on BAH packs for our other account, and even that has been sparse.
But! We have begun to sort our schedule back and to figure out what in the world we should do post-school soo...back to posting! Your discourse-as-usual will return later today and come in full swing the rest of the year!! Thank you for your patience!!
-Rot (🥩)
Long Time, No Discourse! (lmao)
We have been gone, quite obviously, for the past few..weeks? Month? Not quite sure on the exact period of time but we have certainly been gone!
Our most simple explanation for this is: school. It has dragged us back into the depths of hell and we have been completely overwhelmed for the first few weeks, only occasionally working on BAH packs for our other account, and even that has been sparse.
But! We have begun to sort our schedule back and to figure out what in the world we should do post-school soo...back to posting! Your discourse-as-usual will return later today and come in full swing the rest of the year!! Thank you for your patience!!
My question is: do anti endos not understand that if I wanted to fake a CDD (which I don't, this is just a hypothetical) I would just... tell them I'm traumagenic? Why would I fake a CDD by immediately announcing something not typically associated with CDDs?
Hi Anon!
We get what you're saying, it's really frustrating to have to repeat yourself over and over again that "Hey, I'm not claiming to have a CDD I never said that" when you are purposefully separating yourself from that, especially if the people you're repeating yourself to are like..genuine brick walls.
But I have hope for the plural community that one day all plurality will be accepted and things like this won't be a problem anymore!! We just have to keep positive and continue to spread resources and love c:
-Jay (💀)
Hi Anon!
We get what you're saying, it's really frustrating to have to repeat yourself over and over again that "Hey, I'm not claiming to have a CDD I never said that" when you are purposefully seperating yourself from that, especially if the people you're repeating yourself to are like..genuine brick walls.
But I have hope for the plural community that one day all plurality will be accepted and things like this won't be a problem anymore!! We just have to keep positive and continue to spread resources and love c:
I want to look more into systems and if I am one again, but the last time I did that someone steamrolled all my boundaries and made me feel unsafe even in my own mind.
So...
I'll just watch from a distance.
Hi Anon
I'm sososo sorry you had a bad experiences in the past, the system community is verryyyy hit or miss and it sucks that you got the miss end :(
We hope at some point you can heal from the past and be comfortable with exploring yourself again !!
Thank you for submitting
(whole post is /genuine)
-Rot (🥩)
Hi Anon
I'm sososo sorry you had a bad experiences in the past, the system community is verryyyy hit or miss and it sucks that you got the miss end :(
We hope at some point you can heal from the past and be comfortable with exploring yourself again !!
Are you endo safe or willo safe. If you side with endos I don’t know how to can be safe for createds like me
Hi Anon!
I think we might both be kinda...confused? I know I am (sob emoji)
Being endo safe and being willo safe are not mutually exclusive things?? In fact, being endo safe generally implies one is also safe for willogenic plurals because..if we're talking semantics, willogenic is under the endogenic umbrella.
I'm not sure if this is confusion caused by the anti willo anon but...our best answer we can give is both???
We are a safe space for all plurals, no matter their origin.
-Rot (🥩)
Hi Anon!
I think we might both be kinda...confused? I know I am (sob emoji)
Being endo safe and being willo safe are not mutually exclusive things?? In fact, being endo safe generally implies one is also safe for willogenic plurals because..if we're talking semantics, willogenic is under the endogenic umbrella.
I'm not sure if this is confusion caused by the anti willo anon but...our best answer we can give is both???
We are a safe space for all plurals, no matter their origin.
