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we barely post here and when we do we never maintag
but just to be clear, content creators dni!
we have a lot of fictives and a handful of factives + mixed introjects, so this is just for the comfort of everyone involved. thank you for understanding!
Think systems with a high number of fictional introjects are a new phenomena? Kluft's paper on polyfragmented/extremely complex DID from 1988 includes a patient with LOTR introjects, and another based off of Shakespear's Tempest. Fictional introjects have been a thing for a very long time!
Yep! You can find it here.
(also the URL in case tumblr eats that hyperlink like it sometimes does)
We actually love this paper. We got a lot out of it. There's actually a lot more said that fakeclaimers always say is fake. Some key takeaways:
1. very high numbers of alters is very possible. The highest number in this study was over 4,500! 40% had 26-50 alters, 4% had 51-75, 12% had 76-100, 19% had 101-200, 8% had 201-300, and 20% had 300+
2. there's "ad hoc" forming of alters, as in they form frequently and often arbitrarily. "One patient was so apprehensive about her consultation with me that no alter would agree to attend. A new alter was formed for the occasion." Some even "developed a pattern of forming new alters in the face of trivial stressors and inconveniences, or whenever they felt cornered." And there was evidence of forming multiple at once, "almost two-thirds developed complex splitting patterns so that more than one alter emerged on each occasion of the formation of new alters."
3. innerworlds! "Over two-thirds had developed elaborate inner worlds, in which the personalities interacted among themselves". And "in some cases alters appear to have been created to do no more than to fill roles in these inner worlds."
4. yes, fictives, and factives! Some "formed alters based on the therapist." And in fact, "most MPD patients have alters based on identification, internalization, and introjection". And introject-heavy proof: "a small percentage have formed a massive number of alters in this manner as a defence against object loss."
5. there's the phenomenon of essentially cycling through alters, or as the study describes, "with each major life change some or all of the alters were created anew, and their predecessors might either remain active or subside, and become covert or latent."
6. even full alters (not fragments) can be relatively similar to each other: "this patient, with over 4,500 alters, had only 300 alters that were as poorly defined as the alters in Case 19 [(fragments)]. They were remarkably full when they appeared, although many were quite similar to one another. It was as if the same "basic issue" types of alters could be reduplicated readily, and regenerated again and again over the course of the patient's life."
7. the author rejects "splitting" terminology in most cases because "the mind, rather than dividing itself, rather multiplies itself, recopies itself selectively, or rearranges a finite number of elements in patterns of great potential variety." And also, "if one understands the process of alter formation as one of defence reduplication and/or reconfiguration rather than division, the problem of wondering how the mind becomes divided into such complexity ceases to be relevant."
We love this. This study really speaks to us. And it was published in 1988. Amazing.
Image description: The first image is an excerpt from the paper in question. It says, "One patient reconfigured her alters after reading J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, and presented a complex cadre of alters based on hobbits, orcs, and wizards; another used Shakespeare's Tempest, a situation that became clear when I encountered an alter named Caliban."
The second image is a screenshot of a Tumblr reply from user blu-cheavy-main, saying: "hey do you have a link to the paper?" End image descriptions.
That's a very interesting paper! A book by the same author, Richard P. Kluft, also talks about fictional introjects. Childhood Antecedents of Multiple Personality, published in 1985 by American Psychiatric Press. You can borrow it from the Archive.org library or use WorldCat to see if you can borrow it from a library near you.
Kluft's book is the earliest academic source-- and earliest source, period-- listed in a booklet of history research by House of Chimeras, A Collection of Mentions of Nonhuman and Fictional-Based Members of Plural Systems. Chimeras's booklet gives this summary of the relevant part of Kluft's book:
"On page 180 while talking about the alters included within a specific case of multiplicity, the author [Kluft] noted one alter in the system was based on a character from The Hulk series and Captain Kirk from Star Trek, another alter had some similarities to Mr. Spock from Star Trek, and two other female alters had the same name as the two female characters from the series The Flintstones."
These are even different characters than the ones that the 1988 paper wrote about. Between the two sources, these tell about three different systems who had fictional introjects in the 1980s.
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rating: plural!
For those suspectable to introjects
💫 yeah
a friend: okay so if none of the members of a system legally exist (have an ssn, birth certificate, ect) is the host harboring illegal citizens
me: oh yeah totally. (thinks for a second.) wait i don't legally exist. is the singletsona, a person who genuinely isn't real, harboring all of us? i'm going to have a crisis over this
damn
Things that can happen in DID/OSDD but people don’t talk about them as much:
An alter being co-conscious or influencing you without you knowing.
Being aware of a co-con alter but not knowing who they are.
Having difficulty telling apart your inner experiences. (Was that an alter or was I just feeling differently or was I just daydreaming?)
Having difficulty identifying your own emotions. (I feel “something”)
Knowing how to do something yet feeling like you don’t or shouldn’t know how to do it. (How do I know how to use this phone? I feel like it’s 1998 when I didn’t know what a phone was yet.)
Being in a familiar place/situation yet feeling confused, like it’s unfamiliar. (I’ve lived in this house for 7 years but I feel like this is my first time ever being in it.)
Being confused that your body is smaller/taller than you thought.
Feeling or being unable to do things that you normally can do at other times. (I just couldn’t drive the other day. I don’t know how. I just forgot how to do it.)
Things that happened a few days ago feel like months ago, or things that happened months ago feel like a few days ago.
Experiencing pain, headaches, visual impairment, or other physical symptoms that doctors can’t find a cause for.
Waking up as a different alter than the one who went to bed.
A co-conscious alter being able to influence or take control of certain body parts (like using the arms to hold & comfort you).
Being unable to tell if you’re dreaming or awake.
Feel free to add on!
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Protector
Persecutor
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Some Guy (gender neutral)
Child
Caretaker
Gatekeeper
Thanos
me, talking to another system friend: im scared to ask him if this is true bc im afraid of what his answer would be but Chicory gives off the vibes of someone who would try to engage in Gay Chicken with as many people as he could convince to do so | chicory: well, yeah, how else am i supposed to get a husband?
-vanitas (the Ensign system)
please elaborate on Gay Chicken
gay chicken is two people doing gayer and gayer things with each other until one of them "chickens out"
-vanitas
It's actually both but still.
40 question plural/system ask game! Any systems are welcome to reblog! :)
What do you guys usually fight about, if anything?
2. What are everyone's fashion tastes?
3. Who's the best at dealing with stress?
4. Who has the weirdest music taste?
5. Do you see your system members as individual people, parts of a whole, or something else? Do other members see things differently?
6. Is there anything everyone can agree on or have in common?
7. How long have you known you're part of a system? Has it taken other members a longer or shorter time to come around?
8. What was the discovery process like for you?
9. What do you feel your origins are, if you feel comfortable sharing?
10. If you could wake up tomorrow and have everyone be in separate bodies, would you?
11. Do you have a favorite plural character or headcanon?
12. Does anyone like any video games? What about books or TV shows?
13. Who's the most outdoorsy, if anyone? Who likes to stay inside the most, if anyone?
14. What is religion and spirituality like for your system, if applicable?
15. Who, if anyone, are you out to? Are they supportive?
16. Do you see multiplicity as more of a spectrum that everyone's on, or something that only effects some people?
17. Any nonhuman members?
18. Do you have introjects? If so, where do they come from?
19. Do you consider yourself disordered? Do other members feel any differently about this?
20. What are everyone's favorite hobbies?
21. How do you resolve in-system conflicts?
22. Do you dissociate often? What is dissociation like for you, if applicable?
23. Do you wish you had more or less members, or are you happy with what you've got now?
24. How active are your other members? Who's around in headspace the most? Who fronts the most? Who's dormant, if anyone?
25. Do different members have different art or handwriting styles? Feel free to show examples!
26. Do you ever feel NOT multiple? Like a singlet, or somewhere in the middle of the spectrum? Do you ever forget you're part of a system?
27. Do you guys have different tastes in food? What are everyone's favorite foods?
28. Have you ever struggled with denial?
29. Does your typing style differ depending on who's fronting?
30. Do you have any amnesia? What's it like for you?
31. Do any system members have a different gender or sexuality? How do you guys handle this?
32. How has your system changed over time?
33. Who's the oldest member? Who's the youngest?
34. Do you see your system more as family, more as friends, more as roommates, or anything else?
35. What would your perfect life or dream job look like? How does this differ between members?
36. Name your favorite quality of all the members you can think of! Including yourself! ;)
37. What's the most awkward experience you can have that you attribute to plurality?
38. Is it easy for you guys to be co-conscious?
39. Are you blurry often? How do you deal with blurriness?
40. Do you know a lot of details about your system members, or is it more hard for you to parse out?
Shoutout to just the Normal Guys™ of systems. The guys who are just the embodiment of 🧍. Dudes who are surrounded by otherworldly beings and wild quasi-humanoids and are just like IDK Bro I'm Just Sitting Here. Normal Guys who are just having a Pretty Weird Day. love you guys
If you have DID, OSDD-1, DDNOS or UDD, there is nothing wrong with you.
You did nothing wrong by developing a system. You weren't "weak" for doing so, there's nothing you could have done differently, and it wasn't your fault at all. You are not bad, or evil, for being in a system. You are traumatized, and that will never, ever be your fault.
music make me gain control *overpowers your mind*
@funnier-as-a-system
being a fictive really does drive home the whole "im homesick for a place that doesnt exist" thing huh
so it turns out that ive always been a partial introject of ingo pokemonbw and somehow never realized it
but then we recently started splitting off a pla!ingo fictive but then he re-fused with me before he had the chance to split off fully
so now im like. 2 parts ingo instead of 1.
partial introject with an extra helping of introjection
bully morax time /j
[id: a screenshot of a discord message. it reads: "I WOULD LIKE RO CJECK JPW'EJPM;E O MR EWGULw erpimf? zhoulx i conrinuw ro uaw speecj ro rect>". the first half is all in caps. end id.]
the first and last lines are almost intelligible, but that middle line is a disaster. i believe the message was supposed to say "i would like to check, can you read my normal typing? should i continue to use speech to text?". i cut off the top of the message bc for some reason it was proxied as me.
[id: a screenshot of a discord message, using Morax's proper PluralKit proxy. it simply reads, "is this better?" end id.]
a minute later, he sent this w stt. much better, morax, thank you.
(please dont actually bully him, sight is overwhelming for her bc they're blind in headspace so he keeps our eyes closed when fronting. we are going to make a concerted effort to properly learn to touch type for his sake once weve actually set up our mechanical keyboard)
-vani
What is the difference between kinning someone and being a fictive of them? Is kinning like related to reincarnation? Can someone be considered both for the same person? I’m legitimately curious on this
Kin is a spiritual belief related to reincarnation.
Fictionheartedness is relating to a character.
Coping-links are identifying with a character to help deal with shit in your life.
We don't know enough about synpaths to speak on what those are.
The above four are often just lumped together under the "fictionkin" label. Fictives are a completely separate situation.
Fictives are introjects split off by dissociative systems to deal with stressors. Usually, the type of stressor will affect who splits off. In ADHD and Autistic systems, such as ourself, fictives are much more common, as we tend to find comfort in fictional medias.
Not every fictive identifies with their source material. Many fictives, in fact, prefer not to interact with the fictionkin community, as our experiences are so different; however, many of us do, as it is one of the few places where we can talk about our experiences semi-publicly. On top of that, as all members of a system are our own people, it is just as possible for a fictive to identify as kin as it is for an "original" alter. We have an Edward Elric fictive who's kin with Kaede Akamatsu.
As for being kin with and a fictive of the same person, I suppose it could be possible? It'd certainly be odd, though. Would that be considered factkin? I do doubt that a fictive who doesn't associate themself with their source would identify as kin with themself, if that makes sense.
-Diluc
(upon me asking about his response to basically anything that causes him to front being buying chocolate)
"it may not fix the problem, but at least now you have chocolate" -the Bough Keeper
-vanitas (the ensign system)
you know what thats true
hes not wrong but our wallet is crying
-vanitas
