The Kelpie Pond✨️ Jaimie Whitbread
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@thereluctantlesbian
The Kelpie Pond✨️ Jaimie Whitbread
Look, I'm all for hating men, but please fuck off if you specifically hate men of color more than white men. I cannot believe I'm seeing radfems popping up and saying shit like "I trust white men more than men of color, white men come from a safer culture".
White men have done, and are still doing absolutely horrific things. You are stupid and racist to think that they are more valuable than any other man. The only reason that a white man would treat you (the white woman) any better is because white women are put on a pedestal of purity and innocence. But they still see you as a stupid object to put their sperm into. You still aren't human to them.
White men are a menace to women of color, just as you think that "immigrant men" or whatever are a menace to white women.
All men are shit. There's no specific color of man that's better or worse.
I hate all men equally. None have any opportunity with me🥰
Class of 1921 Smith College graduates greets 1971 graduates
i will treasure this picture for when women lose all of our rights in america eventually.
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
What an odd but logically consistent viewpoint....
Hmmm I spot ableism. This pretty much directly says "I think anyone who had a disabling injury has no dignity and is better off dead." As a disabled person, you sound like a right winger.
wait, what? kill them as opposed to fatally shooting them -- which, by literal definition, is killing them?
You are misreading, the debate is whether it's better to shoot to kill or wound someone that is painful but survivable. I am on the latter viewpoint, reluntantlesbian is on former.
The secondary debate is whether the IDF is doing it because they want people to suffer because that's how Jews are. Nobody besides OP wants to argue that.
Would you like to die on some arbitrary hills, prev?
this is what i was responding to in particular--it just looked like a debate between "kill them fast or kill them slow, but kill them all the same" vs "aim to incapacitate rather than to kill"
See reluctantlesbians is trying to strawman and goalpost move the debate from the former to the latter
I agree with your opinions however
Followers, anyone else wants to die on arbitrary hills?
The least you could do is @ me, but ok, there's not much point to continue. I have personal lived experiences that influence my opinions. You guys have others. We're not going to agree. Bye.
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
What an odd but logically consistent viewpoint....
Hmmm I spot ableism. This pretty much directly says "I think anyone who had a disabling injury has no dignity and is better off dead." As a disabled person, you sound like a right winger.
Huh?? The disabling injury is secondary. The incredible and intentional suffering is the outcome that I want to avoid.
I'm not suggesting that we kill disabled soldiers who survived. It's just worse to shoot someone to pieces and then let them suffer for god knows how long vs a brief death.
I've been burned, it was agony. If I could go again, I'd just rather die. Not because I am also disabled but just to avoid the pain.
You should write a book and should also never run a hospital
I should definitely not run a hospital. My mom had metastatic lung cancer which decimated her spine and made her suffer for 3 months. If the hospital had been kinder to her and followed HER wishes, she would've been spared a lot of pain.
As for the book, enough other idiots have wasted enough paper. I shouldn't add to the deforestation.
Idk maybe I'm biased I just think causing massive excruciating intentional pain is much worse than just headshotting someone.
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
What an odd but logically consistent viewpoint....
Hmmm I spot ableism. This pretty much directly says "I think anyone who had a disabling injury has no dignity and is better off dead." As a disabled person, you sound like a right winger.
Huh?? The disabling injury is secondary. The incredible and intentional suffering is the outcome that I want to avoid.
I'm not suggesting that we kill disabled soldiers who survived. It's just worse to shoot someone to pieces and then let them suffer for god knows how long vs a brief death.
I've been burned, it was agony. If I could go again, I'd just rather die. Not because I am also disabled but just to avoid the pain.
@spot-the-antisemitism
See my reply here.
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
What an odd but logically consistent viewpoint....
Hmmm I spot ableism. This pretty much directly says "I think anyone who had a disabling injury has no dignity and is better off dead." As a disabled person, you sound like a right winger.
Huh?? The disabling injury is secondary. The incredible and intentional suffering is the outcome that I want to avoid.
I'm not suggesting that we kill disabled soldiers who survived. It's just worse to shoot someone to pieces and then let them suffer for god knows how long vs a brief death.
I've been burned, it was agony. If I could go again, I'd just rather die. Not because I am also disabled but just to avoid the pain.
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
What an odd but logically consistent viewpoint....
Why odd? Some things are just worse than death. And I believe war is inevitable for humans, but the less suffering the better. By making these kinds of cost benefit analyses about human beings we basically commit crimes on all of humanity. No one should do that.
thoughts on female soldiers?
-if they volunteer let them fight
-rape often occurs from their own comrades, in any army in the world. They should be taken care of better
-what is the point of this question?
follow up question what are your thoughts on IDF soldiers and is them having women soldiers purplewashing?
Interesting question. Sorry I can't make the answer shorter.
I think in some ways yes, because they explicitly use those 'Hot IDF girls' like Gal Gadot, so they use sex sells as a commercial strategy, which is very antifeminist. Also all the pictures that have surfaced of male IDF soldiers going into Gazan homes to mockingly put on the lingerie and clothing of the Palestina women who had to evacuate doesn't denote much respect for women. That and many other little things point to an unequal treatment of women.
On the other hand, women are participating in all ranks of the army, and I am sure there are women who do have power and who do get to make decisions. Although I believe the government is fundamentalist and makes excuses for ultra Orthodox who demand women cover up in their streets and who make airplanes late for refusing to sit next to them during flights, it is also true that women participate in almost every level of Israeli society. But this is also true in Iran, so ehh?
Short answer: yes, but minimally
Long answer: feminist have been torn about war forever, some argue it can't be feminist ever, some think it's unfair for women to fight in wars that men have started, some think it is only equal if men and women have identical responsabilités, opportunities and responsibilities.
I personally believe that it's mostly 'the end justifies the means'. I believe the women in the IDF, though I condemn them if they partake in attacks on innocent Palestinians, have a real role.
Hey long means more nuance so basically it's war is bad and war propaganda is bad but problem is the way all militaries are run, regardless of the soldiers are men or women. I think I agree with all that.
I do have one quibble. separating men and women and planes being late because of a lack of mosque and state in Iran to separation of temple in state in Israel is pretty similar because it's the same rule in the Tora originally but I don't think madatory veiling is comparable to the modesty in place in ultra-ortodox communities because Israeli Jewish women don't get arrested over it.
Really sorry to derail. Feel free to ignore!
No it's true, mandatory veiling is embedded sexism. But I think on the whole, Israel is like a 7 on the misogyny scale and Iran on an 8, where Saudi Arabia is like a 9 and Yemen a 10.
It's pretty interesting because both Iran and Israel share the notion that women should be protected and 'inside', yet both cultures and nations view their entire country as inside.
In my opinion this is because both countries leading expression of their religion/ethnicity is based in a particular kind of nationalism. Iran is the country destined for Persians (with all the mistreatment of minorities that accompanies that), and Israel is the country for Jews, (with all the same mistreatment of minorities).
Please derail more, haha!!
What about the settlers in the West Bank? What about the would be settlers in Gaza? Neither party complied.
thoughts on female soldiers?
-if they volunteer let them fight
-rape often occurs from their own comrades, in any army in the world. They should be taken care of better
-what is the point of this question?
follow up question what are your thoughts on IDF soldiers and is them having women soldiers purplewashing?
Interesting question. Sorry I can't make the answer shorter.
I think in some ways yes, because they explicitly use those 'Hot IDF girls' like Gal Gadot, so they use sex sells as a commercial strategy, which is very antifeminist. Also all the pictures that have surfaced of male IDF soldiers going into Gazan homes to mockingly put on the lingerie and clothing of the Palestina women who had to evacuate doesn't denote much respect for women. That and many other little things point to an unequal treatment of women.
On the other hand, women are participating in all ranks of the army, and I am sure there are women who do have power and who do get to make decisions. Although I believe the government is fundamentalist and makes excuses for ultra Orthodox who demand women cover up in their streets and who make airplanes late for refusing to sit next to them during flights, it is also true that women participate in almost every level of Israeli society. But this is also true in Iran, so ehh?
Short answer: yes, but minimally
Long answer: feminist have been torn about war forever, some argue it can't be feminist ever, some think it's unfair for women to fight in wars that men have started, some think it is only equal if men and women have identical responsabilités, opportunities and responsibilities.
I personally believe that it's mostly 'the end justifies the means'. I believe the women in the IDF, though I condemn them if they partake in attacks on innocent Palestinians, have a real role.
thoughts on female soldiers?
-if they volunteer let them fight
-rape often occurs from their own comrades, in any army in the world. They should be taken care of better
-what is the point of this question?
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.
You would rather the IDF kill them?
As opposed to fatally shooting them in their chest, shattering their kneecaps and other joins, and letting them lay on the battlefield in agony?
Absolutely. Dignity and life and death.
Watching these people's reactions to the massacre that was committed by Hamas was interesting to say the least .
Some couldn't take it and walked away
Some looked generally shocked and shaken by what they saw.
It' shows how brain washed some of those people have been.
Those who walked away ....
Without lies their cause completely dies so showing them the truth would be too much for them.
I wanted to hug the person who said I am sorry.
Truth Matters and what was done on Oct 7th was pure Evil and it is why Israel fights !!!
Yet you bear no remorse for the thousands of videos and pictures of dead Palestinian babies. Where is YOUR humanity?
god forbid the israelis... don't... kill people?
"Oh no how can I paint the Israelis as bloodthristy monsters when they don't kill? OOOH I should imply they should only fire warning shots and that disability is a fate worse than death" - OP
I'm gonna be honest they had me in the first half. I thought they were defending Isreal, then they went into the most obvious spin I've seen in awhile. "Isreal has a shoot to maim policy, actively trying to avoid killing people. This is terrible because now all these living people are still alive, they would have been better off dead!"
Israel shoots innocent people thsi is a good thing and you're antisemitic if you say otherwise. This can't be real life
"actually you're the antisemite and live in an alternate universe" Point, laugh, block
Minimize risk of taking innocent life by shooting to take people out of a fight = bad guiz behavior
Fucking how?
Their brain is so rotted everything Jews do is bad
I swear it's gotta be
Always has been!
My theory is that they've internalized that war=death, and the preferable outcome for being active duty is either unscathed or dead, and so therefore being alive but missing a limb or having the limb but not being able to use it is worse because it's not one of the two preferable options
I think there is also martyrdom culture that thinks dying IS better than disability
Is it time to start comparing Hamas to the Empire of Japan yet? I mean they've already got the events of Nanking down, and the death before dishonor, and the suicidal attackers, and the list goes on.
This reminds me of an article saying that Israel's military wasn't raping Palestinians because of racism.
Same people will claim the same thing to deny rapes of Jewish women throughout centuries btw
This entire threat actively ignores that in warfare, wounding the opponent is oftentimes more burdensome that outright killing them. The enemy is removed from combat, psychologically damaged by pain and disease, and requires medical care.
It's torture. Good luck finding your morality again, you've lost it somewhere along the way.