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Something I can't stop thinking about is Noelle's specific wording in CH5 Weird Route where she's talking about how she's felt since Dess left. We know something happened to Dess of course, but I'm shocked she didn't use wording like "missing" or "gone" or "died", because 'left' implies agency on Dess's part*. I'm very curious how much Noelle actually knows about what happened to Dess.
I wonder if Noelle was told that Dess ran away from home, or maybe Dess really did run away from home and then the something happened to her. Maybe Carol sent Asgore to go get Dess when she left and he failed but witnessed the something. I think this follows with Noelle constantly searching for "December Holiday" on the computer, she believes her sister is alive and is looking for where she is. If Noelle was certain Dess was dead or knew more about what happened to her, searching her name wouldn't be necessary and she wouldn't speak about her using terms like "left". I do think Dess vanishing one day without a trace would still break Noelle's heart and cause the trauma we see her suffering from in the Weird Route. Feeling trapped, anxious, unable to be yourself, the same stress on her parents, it still fits.
I had interpreted Dess's room being frozen in time a sort of mourning where Carol couldn't bear to remove her items, but what if she's actually preserving it for the day Dess returns / when Carol is able to bring her back from whatever happened?
*one addendum to add here is since it's the Weird Route and Noelle is acting much bolder and saying things she normally wouldn't, Noelle could be using "left" to place blame on Dess for causing her this suffering
no, i haven't heard back from them. have you?
thinking about toriel trying to encourage kris out of the house this day. and carol calling before hand, confirming noelle is going to go. thinking about how this isn’t the first time carol has had this horrible phone call
okay i'm gonna try to better word my thoughts on why the amalgam kris+noelle knight theory doesnt work for me, bc i think my initial post was not super clear
the game being a weird time loop is fine. the problem is that this theory would require something optional to be done for the game's logic to work. "you finish a route and go back to the start" is one thing, "the consequences of this route you never actually did cause the entire game to happen" is different.
you can argue to the prophecy, to things that Have to happen, but the fact is the player Has to opt in to weird route. there is no way to accidentally do it. the game cannot actually force you to play it short of being like "HEY IF YOU WANNA SEE THE END OF CH7 GO DO THIS SHIT" or something similarly heavy handed. and frankly "you need to put these teens thru hell to solve this grandfather paradox" will only entice so many people into doing it out of obligation.
(and, honestly, making it so you HAVE to grudgingly be doing it to make the plot work would make a lot of the 'youve broken off the path of the prophecy into something So Much Worse' stuff along the way feel so boring. like if eram is going OH YOU JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS and im like "no i need to do this to patch a plot hole" it feels much less interesting)
so either the game is like "whether youve done weird route yet or not i know you will someday and the game is banking on that" and for a lot of people its just Wrong or its like "well Someone Somewhere did this route so it's canon across all games forever" which just feels weird to me? the existence of a possibility doesnt mean it happened.
...and, end of the day, i find weird route being a broken, fucked up, skipping-over-things route that you aren't meant to be on and that will only make everything Worse much more interesting than it being mandatory/required/baked into the fabric of reality lol
This is fanart of the weird route fic Amber Alert by SpectrumWriting
Slightly Alt AmalgKnight theory, may be why Kris needs "us"
So just my take on this particular theory - I think it's a compelling idea, and I think it may imply a cyclical timeline. But I also think it's possible that what happened with Noelle was simply a repeat of what happened with Dess.
Kris's prophecy and the Knight imagery are similar, along with "heavens call":
It could be that Kris's original SOUL was fused with Dess in a way similar to what we saw with Noelle.
This done by going outside of the rules of their world and breaking their reality, thus gaining the ability to appear at different points in time.
But doing this removed Kris's SOUL in the entire game, which is why they had to summon "us" to act as a replacement.
In the Weird Route, Noelle follows in her sisters footsteps but this time merges with us. This is definitely not the plan.
It's hard to know what Kris and Dess's goals were, at this point in time, but just thinking aloud here...
Left behind
(Follow-up on this post)
if you'll all join me on my "i've connected the two dots" bullshit for a moment. the knight is intrinsically tied to dess's disappearance so we can actually throw rudy- and carolknight theories out the window. asgore's notes couldddd also be debunking dessknight but like... walk with me here. what if that original black shard was a "seed" of sorts? left behind by dess no-clipping out of standard reality in a similar manner as kris and noelle in the weird route. and what if the knight... grew from it.
rather than literally being dess, twisted and gnarled beyond recognition, what if the knight is a manifestation of all her broken, unfulfilled dreams... and fears (gestures at its titanlike appearance)
it carries out her will, or maybe she has full/semi-control over it from wherever she is. could explain the eyeball in its chest... maybe it's something like the SOUL and kris (and maddie and mew mew)
no clue why that will includes kidnapping undyne and asgore but i don't think that's going to start to make any sense until ch6 regardless of who (or what) you theorize the knight to be