please someone tell me how this is any different from cis transphobes going "you're so heckin valid (even though you're not a Real man/woman)"
Idk. I don't think they're saying 'Men (the sociopolitical class)' are the only 'real' men. I think they're trying to say that identifying with the male gender doesn't automatically give you male privilege. Like. They're standing up for trans men and putting it in simpler terms so those who think trans men get the same privilege as cis men can understand.
I implore you to find, I dunno, three examples of somebody who believes that trans men have the same privilege over cis women that cis men do.
Upon failing to do so, I implore you to recognize that you have been lied to. People do not think that.
‘Trans men don’t have cis male privilege’ is approximately the same kind of rhetorical trick as ‘it’s okay to be white’—it is something that is seen as undeniably true by most people but simultaneously implies there is a significant, powerful faction of people who want you to believe otherwise, and in neither case is that true.
There's literally so much discourse about this?? A lot of people online are saying that trans men get male privilege. That's what the original post was about.
No it isn't you literally just don't have any reading comprehension. Black men belonging to the social class of men does not mean they have the same privileges as white men but you people hate trans women so much and are so allergic to acknowledging how often men in the queer community use there privilege over us to abuse us without any consequences that you literally just pretend people are saying things they aren't saying when someone tries to talk about. You just hate trans women. That's literally it.
Christ, that's a lot of assumptions and connections to make. Can we go back to "they're trying to say that identifying with the male gender doesn't automatically give you male privilege." Because that's literally what the post is about. Maybe that's not true. Maybe it gives some privilege, but not all. Either way, it was just me trying to explain the screenshot.
Its literally not. Nobody in the post said trans men have the same privileges as cis men nobody thinks that and anyone who says they do is lying. Trans men have privilege over trans women because they are both trans so both experience transphobia but trans men are men and trans women are women. Trans men get as much male privilege as a trans person could possibly get just like men in literally every other minority demographic. Black men can be marginalized and still have privilege over black women. Gay men can be marginalized and still have privilege over lesbians. You only want to to fight about it with trans women because again, you specifically just hate trans women.
Yes, as I said, maybe it inherently gives some privilege, but not necessarily all, and being a trans man doesn't automatically let you in the sociopolitical class of man. There's non-passing fem trans men out there, who, while they do get some privileges over trans women, that definitely should be acknowledged, like you're doing, aren't allowed in the sociopolitical class, Men. Also, in another reblog I do apologize for my wording, where I imply that people are saying that trans men have the same privilege as cis men. I was trying to give my take on tboy-trash's comment.
Okay, fine. My problem with people like you is honestly just I don't believe you. You can say platitudes about how you acknowledge that trans men have some privileges over trans women but that doesn't actually affect how you act or what you care about in real life. You people care more about arguing about how useful tme and tma is than you care about the systemic sex slavery that mostly black and brown trans women are put through in most prison systems in the world. You do not care about how often we are raped and killed for just existing because you would rather have discourse about stupid shit like this. So sorry but no I don't believe you actually care about or have internalized any of this at all, sorry.
Yeah, okay. I mean obviously you have no reason to believe me but I promise you, I'm not one of those people. I don't usually waste my time engaging in stupid discourse. And actually, I care so fucking much that I had depression for a long time. You don't know me.
Well I can scroll on your blog for 2 seconds and find a post about not comparing trans men to trans women (hmmm I wonder what that means and who your targeting with that) and a bullet pointed list about why men can be lesbians because you fundamentally do not actually see trans people as there gender but I see no posts about transfem rape and homicide rates fucking exploding all over the world I see no posts about v coding even though you just said you care so much about that that you've had depression. All you do is discourse like this and if that's not true then sorry but literally nobody would get that from anything you have ever said on this website. Like literally like I said before I don't believe you.
This person blocked me fyi
