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I like to inform you that, in my official position as a nasty wincestie, it is my OBLIGATION and my absolute pleasure to derail ANY POST about 4×14 “sex and violence” that's been made by wincest deniers (who happen to be hellers in 99.99999% of the cases).
My dudes. The siren disguised as Dean's fucking baby brother.
That doesn't make him gay for the stupid angel. It means he's obsessed with Sam.
I repeat:
Dean Winchester is obsessed with his baby brother, that's why the siren chose to wear a Sam suit.
Can you follow these bread crumbs into the wincestie woods to the ginger bread house of insanity?
Good.
Otherwise you'd be blind or stupid.
Can’t get more obvious than that. We don’t need meta or interpretations. We have CANON.
Never forget that Jim Parrack, the actor who played the siren, said he played it like the siren was controlling Sam and Dean “in a sexual way”, sort of gender neutral (because the siren was neither male nor female) plus “sexual tension”.
Don’t forget what Kripke said about why they chose a siren
MR: Were you saying to yourself in Season 1, "Yeah, we're going to do that -- that's our show?" Did you know it would be that specific mixture from day one?
Eric Kripke: No, no, not all. When we started out, we were going to make a horror movie every week. It was about the monsters, and it was about Hook Man and Bloody Mary and the urban legends and and the boys honestly, in the beginning, Sam and Dean were an engine to get us in and out of different horror movies every week. Because that's when "The Ring" was burning up the box office, and so we were really setting out to tell bring the horror movie esthetic to television.
I would say right around Episode 4 or 5 [of Season 1, executive producer/director] Bob Singer and I were watching the episodes, and we just started saying, "God, those two guys and their chemistry is so much more interesting than the horror movies we're showing."
And then we started re-breaking story for that. And if you look at Season 1, the first half, almost it's a little repetitive, but it really picks up and catches on right around about, I think, episode seven or eight, when they go home for the first time. That's when we started realizing that we should play to the strengths of what's in front of us, which is these two amazing actors who have this unbelievable chemistry. And sure enough, now that's really, more than anything, that's what the show's about.
What's funny is, in Season 1, we would start [story-breaking sessions with], "What are the episode ideas?" And we'd start with, "What's the monster?" And now we do that last.
We break with, "OK, what should we put Sam and Dean through?" And then we say, "Oh, we should have them be confronted with an author who's their 'creator,'" or "We should see what their lives were like in high school," -- we come up with all of these different random notions of [what they are going through]. The siren episode came from, "We just want them to beat the crap out of each other, and all their angst to bubble to the surface and let them confront each other." And then we say, "OK, what's a monster that'll let us do that?"
And sometimes we don't even have the monster until way late in the break, once we get all the angst and the drama done first.
Given all the other evidence out there, one has to wonder how many of the Hellers who use 4.14 Sex and Violence as “proof” that Dean is totes gay for the idiot angel have either never watched the show or only watched the episodes with Asstiel in them and therefore only know about the siren through GIFs and “meta” from other Hellers (like most of their “knowledge” of the show). It would explain how so many of them obsess over the teeny, tiny crumbs of supposed Dean/Ass interaction yet miss the giant neon signs screaming “SAM AND DEAN!! SAM AND DEAN!!”
Look, you don’t have to view the siren as proof of an actual romantic or sexual relationship between the Winchesters. Technically, the point of the siren is that it gives the victims their deepest desires, which doesn’t have to be about sex--it happened to be an extremely attractive woman for the married schlubs and sad sacks it’d gone after previously, but Dean was already walking sex on bowlegs who could get hot women on his own. It’s impossible to deny though (unless you’re a delusional Heller) that what Dean’s true desire was a perfect LITTLE BROTHER who respected and idolized him, and thus the siren turned into an idealized version of SAM to snare him.
Which is why we always win--whether you interpret what happened in this episode as sexual or platonic, it’s still all about Dean’s love for SAM.
I like to inform you that, in my official position as a nasty wincestie, it is my OBLIGATION and my absolute pleasure to derail ANY POST about 4×14 “sex and violence” that's been made by wincest deniers (who happen to be hellers in 99.99999% of the cases).
My dudes. The siren disguised as Dean's fucking baby brother.
That doesn't make him gay for the stupid angel. It means he's obsessed with Sam.
I repeat:
Dean Winchester is obsessed with his baby brother, that's why the siren chose to wear a Sam suit.
Can you follow these bread crumbs into the wincestie woods to the ginger bread house of insanity?
Good.
Otherwise you'd be blind or stupid.
Can’t get more obvious than that. We don’t need meta or interpretations. We have CANON.
Never forget that Jim Parrack, the actor who played the siren, said he played it like the siren was controlling Sam and Dean “in a sexual way”, sort of gender neutral (because the siren was neither male nor female) plus “sexual tension”.
Don’t forget what Kripke said about why they chose a siren
MR: Were you saying to yourself in Season 1, "Yeah, we're going to do that -- that's our show?" Did you know it would be that specific mixture from day one?
Eric Kripke: No, no, not all. When we started out, we were going to make a horror movie every week. It was about the monsters, and it was about Hook Man and Bloody Mary and the urban legends and and the boys honestly, in the beginning, Sam and Dean were an engine to get us in and out of different horror movies every week. Because that's when "The Ring" was burning up the box office, and so we were really setting out to tell bring the horror movie esthetic to television.
I would say right around Episode 4 or 5 [of Season 1, executive producer/director] Bob Singer and I were watching the episodes, and we just started saying, "God, those two guys and their chemistry is so much more interesting than the horror movies we're showing."
And then we started re-breaking story for that. And if you look at Season 1, the first half, almost it's a little repetitive, but it really picks up and catches on right around about, I think, episode seven or eight, when they go home for the first time. That's when we started realizing that we should play to the strengths of what's in front of us, which is these two amazing actors who have this unbelievable chemistry. And sure enough, now that's really, more than anything, that's what the show's about.
What's funny is, in Season 1, we would start [story-breaking sessions with], "What are the episode ideas?" And we'd start with, "What's the monster?" And now we do that last.
We break with, "OK, what should we put Sam and Dean through?" And then we say, "Oh, we should have them be confronted with an author who's their 'creator,'" or "We should see what their lives were like in high school," -- we come up with all of these different random notions of [what they are going through]. The siren episode came from, "We just want them to beat the crap out of each other, and all their angst to bubble to the surface and let them confront each other." And then we say, "OK, what's a monster that'll let us do that?"
And sometimes we don't even have the monster until way late in the break, once we get all the angst and the drama done first.
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