Tired and Angry About It

Genuinly Exhausted

[tiredandangryaboutit]

DNI interact if you think that Cyril (Best Boy) is Rhea's slave while also thinking that Hubert (Best Rat) totally made a conscious and informed choice to serve his lady for the rest of his life when he was even younger than Cyril and that this choice had nothing to do with him being groomed for the role since he was 6.

[tiredandangryaboutit]

Life sure seems to be a one-step-forward-two-steps-back kinda thing right now. I really don't understand how I'm supposed to stay motivated anymore, how I'm supposed to want to improve my life when doing so doesn't take me far enough to let me rest, much less grow. I don't find my life as it is now meaningful, nor do I feel like such a feeling is even within reach anymore.

I'm trying to find motivation in other people's love for me, but how is that supposed to last when that love is now becoming a burden because I feel like I am giving them something without getting anything back? If I am living for them, what am I living for when they're not around?

[tiredandangryaboutit]

I found out yesterday that all my efforts to improve myself, to educate myself to do a craft, all my internships and all my dreams to become a productive member of society might be a pipe dream after all. For the past 8 years I've been trying to come to terms with the fact that I'll never have a full-time job because of the way I was born, and those years have been spent trying to do what little I can. Now I'm facing a situation where I might have to accept that not even a part-time job is in the cards for me. I'm not handling it well. I'm weak, I've always known that. But now I'm understanding more and more that it's not something I'm going to be able to grow out of. I'll never be strong, productive, useful. I'm always going to need help, and if that help disappears I'll do too. And the worst part is, I'm learning more and more that most people think, deep down, that I don't deserve help. That I only deserve help if I can give something in return, and now that I am proving that I can't I am not worthy of their assistance. Even the people who style themselves as left-leaning, empaths and "fighting for the little guy" want nothing to do with people like me. I don't know what to do with myself any more.

[tiredandangryaboutit]

it's kinda hilarious to see some people argue that only the haters leave the fe3h fandom when anyone who was around [blank]-friendly people after launch knows that the first year or so was filled with them saying that the writing was bad, the developers were bad and many of them still spend much of their fandom time literally rewriting the game to fit their own preferences. People left because there was no space to be a fan of the actual game any more. Posting screenshots of [blank] saying things was equal to being [blank]-critical if you didn't think it was girlboss enough. No one hates the game more than those fans, they can't stand it to the point that they have to remake it in every way to fit their version of [blank] and damn the consequences.

[tiredandangryaboutit]

anytime I peek my head in even slightly in the 3h fandom I just feel like the biggest mistake I made was not telling more people to fuck off

[tiredandangryaboutit]

It is frustrating, but since leaving the fe3h fandom I've just felt like getting into a new one is not worth it. I find myself not wanting to try new games, shows or books because I don't want to get invested. It just doesn't feel worth it anymore, especially as the polarizing and gatekeeping attitudes seem to be more and more a sign of the times rather than just an isolated fandom experience. I don't want that again, and I'm too fragile atm to give it a try and hope for the best

[deathbirby]

Edelgard’s lack of interest in looking into the history of Fodlan beyond what her (dubiously reliable) father and (fantasy Nazi torture squad) TWSITD tell her is such a clear and glaring character flaw that so many of her “did nothing wrong” fans defend as Good, Actually. Like I can’t wrap my head around it, we know that there’s so much about the history of the continent that El either doesn’t or refuses to learn and while it’s understandable in some ways why she can’t it’s still like. Bad. It’s so clear that if her actual goal was liberation then she would’ve done more research, gone to the church and told them that hey, the Slitherers™️ are at it again and we need to do something. But she doesn’t, because that’s not actually her goal… it’s conquest of the other two nations and an overturning of the current system to favor her (mostly already privileged) friends, plain and simple. But people who either didn’t play any routes but CF or just didn’t pay attention/have poor media analysis skills love to say otherwise. Bluh.

I still can't get over how she was tortured and lost all her siblings to TWSITD and decided that the CHURCH was the biggest threat.

Edelgard 100% believes she is in the right and is the ONLY person who is right and thus is the ONLY person who can bring about change. And with "change" I mean "unify Fodlan and bring it under the control of the Adrestian Empire like it was in the past".

At no point does she consider that Wilhelm's history could've been tampered with, or simply been misunderstood after a whole millenia has passed. And why not? Because it's the only thing that drives her hatred for the church, and if it was disproven then she has no leg to stand on? Probably!

[fantasyinvader]

I just want to point out before beginning, the scene where Edelgard gives Byleth the knowledge that is supposedly passed down from emperor to emperor comes AFTER Hubert spelled out that Ionius was a puppet of Arundel, who ran the group consisting of Kronya and Solon, and that Edelgard should have told Byleth this. Edelgard's source is compromised and she's implied to know this, yet she still keeps on going. No matter what, even in Hopes after realizing how much influence TWSITD had over the Empire and there being no evidence to link Aegir to the experiments despite how easy it is to find evidence of his corruption, she still starts the war. Hell she's flat out told by Thales, who we see her regressed form identify as her uncle, that his group conducted the experiments so they might achieve salvation and that everything they've done, from Enbarr to Duscur, was to make her more powerful to do so. And she knows the people who did these things hate the Church.

Verdant Wind says out that Edelgard was not just working with TWSITD for her own goals, but she was manipulated by them into starting the war against the Church.

I recall one of her supports with Dorothea that might answer the question about why she still continues to go to war. She doesn't want everything she's been through, everything she's done and everything she's lost to have been for nothing. I think this is the most likely explanation. If she doesn't start the war, then all the people sacrificed to empower her will have been sacrificed for nothing. Her siblings, Duscur, Claude's uncle and all the people lost during White Clouds, all of them would have died without anything to show for it. If she doesn't win her war and reform Fodlan, all of the people who died during the war will have died for nothing. And if her reforms don't benefit the weak… she blames the weak for them not working because surely more people in the future will benefit from it and the losses will be offset by those people, all while at the same time transforming herself into a literal monster in order to win.

Dimitri accused Edelgard of ignoring her victims in Azure Moon, while in Scarlet Blaze she herself admits she was turning a blind eye to TWSITD's influence over the Empire. And I think this is where the game was going with this. She's just charging ahead, like a boar (since Ferdinand in VW after Gronder says she's running amok just like Dimitri was), to her final goal so everything will be "worth it." It would also fit with the Japanese text saying her path is the animal path, that she's acting on instinct and impulse rather than logic and reason. The truth doesn't matter to her because it would call her actions into question. The devs have confirmed that the worldbuilding is NOT on her side, so the game itself is trying to say her course of action isn't the correct one. That the end of her path isn't worth it seeing as it's meant to lead to tyranny, oppression and Edelgard going on to invade other countries (according to the Japanese text).

So Edelgard still clings to the knowledge her father passed down to her in order to justify her actions even though she knows he was a puppet of those who killed her siblings. If anything, I'd say this is meant to highlight the impact her trauma has had on her. Determination can be an admirable trait, but in her case it leads to her ignoring reality. She can claim she does this all so that no one else will go through what she did as she's assisting her tormentors in experimenting on people. She claims she does this so there will be no more sacrifices to a messed up world, but she's willing to sacrifice as many people as it takes to get the one she wants and if it doesn't work out for the people? It's THEIR fault. Her trauma has left her with a severe case of arrested development, and nothing bar a mindwipe can free her from it's grasp.

At her core, she's still the traumatized little girl and is unable (and unwilling) to grow the fuck up. And when you compare this to Silver Snow and how it was meant to be emotionally hard for the player, well, it's clear that growing up even if it hurts is something the game endorses.

[ezralahm]

Going to work on things today (i hope) but this is actually what I mean by Hopes lacking meaningful content and why it needed DLC and the lack of it is indicative of behind the scenes issues.

It's structured by three linear narratives that you get "locked" into... but once you go past a certain chapter, you can't really access previous scenarios outside of free mode which - doesn't really offer anything new or different. It's just "oh, you wanna play this again? eh, okay." It wants to be a linear vry srs plotline... but musou's pure, unbridled chaos to a rock remix soundtrack.

FEW did a fantastic job of adventure maps that were divorced from the main storyline and were full of rewards so you were consistently progressing units and weapons. And that progression matters because part of the fun of musou is continually building units and ramping up to supreme OP levels... not just "welp, you finished the game reset and start over!!!" (The main issue with FEW was lack of unit variance - something that probably came down to time and budget. To its credit, Hopes fixed this by class-specific movesets.)

Which is yet again a little puzzling in terms of why KT - and I am specifying KT here - chose to go the route of repeating "same as Houses, but worse." From the interview, IS initially were on board with a FEW2 which would have been fine by me! We could have had some Fodlan characters, some Magvel, some Tellius, maybe even Seliph n' op Sigurd... and in terms of musou gameplay, may have been just as fine with even more to do and grind over.

also seriously!!! no costumes!!!

let me put Annette in a witchy costume and Felix with nyan-ears!!

[saviourkingslut]

insane to me that people will still do character analysis of 3h characters and then say dimitri's representing the "extreme of tradition" or some shit (when edelgard is the extreme of progress or whatever) like do y'all ever use ur brain to look at and engage with the actual canon material without picking bits selectively or wilfully misinterpreting lines and events so that your argument seems substantiated or are you completely without integrity whatsoever. 'analysis' my fucking ass.

[butwhatifidothis]

Dimitri: *has much of his dream be restoring and clearing the name of Duscur, a land and people that are hated by most of Faerghus - including one of Dimitri's own childhood friends*

Dimitri: *literally has Dedue, a man of Duscur, be his right-hand man, and who he openly defends against people being cruel to him even at the expense of his own reputation/safety*

Dimitri: *has his ending talk about how he made an entirely new form of government that lets commoners be participants instead of only nobles*

Dimitri: *has his ending talk about bettering foreign relations*

"Analysis" people: So as you can see, Dimitri is representative of maintaining a harmful status quo, because one time he said that it's understandable that some people hold extreme value in Crests (even though he himself doesn't)

Edelgard: *explicitly says she wants to put Fodlan back under a strictly Adrestian banner*

Edelgard: *believes the other two countries of Fodlan to be pale off-shoots of Adrestia*

Edelgard: *thinks the "meritable" (read: strong) should have a right to rule over those born in certain families, which is literally how Adrestia initially worked (because in practice those "meritable" families would just become nobility and repeat the cycle over again)*

Edelgard: *has her dream of reunifying Fodlan be what many nobles in Adrestia have been dreaming would happen for years*

"Analysis" people: And if you look here, you can see where Edelgard is representative of progress and change, because she talks about getting rid of Crests' importance from society (which doesn't even happen on CF)

[ezralahm]

Dimitri: We must end the cycle of the strong trampling on the weak.

Edgeygard: Imma trample the shit out of this place, just like Nemesis before me and then everyone after me can trample their way to victory too, thereby proving they deserve to be at the top.

What's funny is - if memory serves - a few people in JP fandom were surprised at how radical Dimitri's reforms were in AM. Go figure.

[fantasyinvader]

I'm going to be frank here guys. After seeing these things in the Japanese script, it just feels like a confirmation of something I've felt for a long time. This game isn't as complex as people like to say it is, and a big reason why there has been so much argument over it isn't because of it's convoluted storytelling. I'd say it's because people don't want it to be that simple.

Case-in-point, the teacher theory. That was made because it's author looked at the events of the prologue and didn't like what it ended up saying about Edelgard. So we end up with this take that tries to say "sure, Edelgard may have hired bandits to kill her classmates but she only wanted to scare the teacher away for reasons" because of one line. One line to try and explain it away regardless of the fact the translation changed "you've done things to gain power" to "everything we've done is to give you power." Like, dude, she still put a hit on her classmates and is an accomplice to the bad guys. Can't wash that away. Ditto with trying to erase Dimitri's arc by misunderstanding Japanese.

But these takes spread because people wanted to believe in them, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. They tried to downplay the reveals of other routes as misinformation only to be slapped with the devs saying that the world supported Silver Snow. That interview was so damning people tried to discredit it, saying that it was simply pandering to Dimitri and Rhea stans before switching gears to argue death of the author. They said the translators made her look bad, citing her voice acting, but then got upset when a retranslation project revealed she's actually worse in the Japanese.

I mean, sure. The game never outright says that Edelgard's version of history was from the Agarthans, but the game does say (in a story cutscene in her own route to boot) that her father, her source, was their puppet. The game gave you a two and a two, you know what to do with them. They game is full of twos waiting to be paired up, and while some of the details were changed in the translation the core of the game is still there.

Edelgard is a villain who is willing to lie, cheat, steal and kill in order to get what she wants. She is still a hypocrite, and titling her through Byleth a "Hegemon" still makes her out to be an autocrat in the english text. Words have meanings after all. I myself was saying "in ignorance, Edelgard is a hero. In truth, a villain," long before I began looking into the game's Buddhist symbolism. That symbolism served to confirm what I was saying, in addition to the devs interview. The game would have needed a far more intensive rewrite to erase it's DNA. For example, the English text makes it out she holds similar ideals to Claude while the Japanese has her say otherwise, but looking through the game we can see the difference between the two. Claude wants a world where people aren't othered and cultural differences are accepted, Edelgard wants everyone to believe what she wants them to. Neither of their ambitions stop at Fodlan, but Claude wouldn't side with Edelgard real ends and is already against her for the means she says those means justified.

People need to accept Edelgard for who she is, as well as Houses for what it is. Her fans need to stop denying her character and actions, instead ask themselves what they are really supporting and if they really want to do so. And even though she is the bad guy, that's not a reason why you shouldn't like her as a character. Just try to like her for who she really is, not what you want her to be.

[tiredandangryaboutit]

ANYWAY Rhea gave Cyril a safe home with guaranteed food, never forced any ideology onto him, and put in a specific effort to talk with him every day despite how busy she usually is, all while wanting Cyril to grow into his own person and being worried about his feeling of "being indebted" to her, which is the only care he's known to have received since his parents died when he was FIVE. We love and stan a loving mother figure 💞

Thank for putting a smile on my face anon, Cyril and his love for Rhea are one of the few things I still enjoy about this damned game

[randomnameless]

Bitch you’re so fucking retarded 😭

And yet I'm not the one sending "anon" asks using emojis :(

[ezralahm]

You know, I kinda wish these Anons would at least get creative. Like pull words out of madlibs or do iambic pentameter or something.

Can you imagine?

(Epithet), you did (verb) on (day of the week) and now you should (adverb) (verb) with (celebrity).

If they're gonna waste time sending low-tier trolling, they can at least mix it up!

[tiredandangryaboutit]

Rhea only cares about Cyril as an especially useful soldier.

Randomnameless: -gets repeat anon asks and points out they have no new thoughts or comments- Me: -remembers the repeated anons I get- Anon: -decides to prove both our experiences- Seriously bud, you're literally only doing it to make someone upset, you need a new hobby

[tiredandangryaboutit]

I really wonder how the next FE game is going to be. The direction it goes in will probably either kill my love for the series or reignite it, I don't think there will be a in-between. But what really saddens me is that no matter what direction it goes in I probably won't ever get involved in fandom, either as a enjoyer of fancontent or as a creator of it. It's just a too broken fandom at this point. And that... as someone who doesn't have much irl the loss of a fandom hits hard, especially as I rarely get into one in the first place. It used to be the first thing I thought of when I woke up and the last thing I thought of before bed. It's not easy to cut that away from yourself.

[teaveetamer]

Y’all I cannot stress this enough. I did not hate Edelgard when the game came out. I fucking hate her now. I will never not hate her. She will now always be associated with the people who stalked, harassed, and threatened to kill me. She is forever entwined with the people who left pro-genocide comments on my posts, who called me a fake queer, who mocked my trauma, who bullied my friends and mutuals, who made communities I’d previously felt comfortable in a nightmare to inhabit for literally everyone. And I’m not the first and I am probably far from the last.

This isn’t about canon or discussion or changing minds. It hasn’t been for a long time. This is about a small group of vitriolic Edelgard fans who are resolved to make people hurt. So if someone on that hamster wheel is reading this somehow, I just have one question for you: why do you think you’re jumping at shadows? Is it because we’re really coming for you, or is because someone in your community really wants you to think we are?

If you removed yourself from the people banging those war drums then would you still find us scary? Would you have even known we existed if they hadn’t brought us to your attention? Have you ever questioned why sometimes they post links, and other times clipped screenshots and quotes with their own summaries attached? If you actually read our posts about the situation, not the summaries filtered through your war-bringers, would you still think we were after you? Would you have empathy for us? Would you have been willing to have a conversation? I wish I knew for sure, but I like to think you would have extended kindness.

[fantasyinvader]

[tiredandangryaboutit]

I can't help but to feel a little vindicated, back several years ago I told people I felt uncomfortable with the way edelstans said the same thing right-wing politicians said and I was told there was nothing to worry about now there's screenshots of them saying that genocide is okay sometimes and they're losing their marbles saying it's "out of context", thus implying that there's any situation when you can say that where it is okay. They've come a long way from saying they hate Dimitri because his people participated in a genocide. Maybe if the people of druscur were shown to be laguz we could all just have gotten along /s

[dimiclaudeblaigan]

Honestly though, this (what Ashe is pointing out) is exactly why I don't think GW could possibly end well. There's no "talking it over" after all the bloodshed (especially bloodshed started by them, and especially bloodshed started by them that didn't have to happen).

The way the narration leaves it "open" too at the end of GW just comes across as "it failed". It feels like... a kind of pointless story?

And I know some people might think that since Dimitri personally isn't as deeply affected by losing Matthias and so might be willing, that's still no good if his people and closest allies aren't. Rodrigue and Sylvain wouldn't be so forgiving, and I do think Dimitri would follow suit because that's his father (Rodrigue)'s closest friend and one of his own closest friends' father.

Add that to the fact that they have Sreng to deal with still (and I imagine sooner or Sylvain would figure out that Leicester had a hand in provoking Sreng to attack Faerghus) on top of losing Matthias and I imagine all the stress and aggravation wouldn't bode well for Leicester as far as Claude's thinking of things working out goes.

I just really can't see where GW goes afterward that would be "good" or works in Claude's favor at all. Maybe that was the intention and it was meant to be a route with a completely tragic ending, but apparently there are players who think it would end well and whatnot and I just can't see that happening (both from Faerghus' end and from Adrestia's end, the latter of which Claude discussed within GW itself).

If their intention was for a totally tragic ending, like yeah, I can see that... but as always the writing muddies the waters to make it sound good while something bad is happening. It keeps trying to have a positive spin on bad things as if they're just afraid to commit to a fully bad ending.

[tiredandangryaboutit]

Given that GW's cutscene directly echoes 3h's opening cutscene (with the flower being trampled) I feel like GW is very much meant to say "and so the cycle of war continues". if it weren't for the blatantly victim blaming writing both in the same rote and the rest of the game I'd say that it's a beautifully tragic symbolism, but the rest of the game is so badly trying to sell that anyone who even tries to defend themselves are just as guilty of warmongering as the invader that it just falls flat.