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Sorry this might sound like a stupid question, but do you think there's a chance Euron might have crossed paths with Gerion Lannister either on route or returning from Valaryia?
I hope not for Gerionâs sake, but itâs entirely possible. Weâll find out if Euron lands in Oldtown and unsheathes BrightroarâŠ
No one ever looked for a girl... It was a prince that was promised, not a princess... What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one.
for dany week, day 3: magic, dragons, and prophecy. art by maratycznie
Catelyn Tully by EtceteraArt. theyâve been posting their asoiaf stuff lately and are quickly becoming one of my favorite artists for these characters
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Heey! has Val realized that the babies were swapped? I canât remember this part of the story and google isnât giving me answers :(
She has:
Jon Snow was in no mood for it. It is too cold and dark to play, and the hour is too late. "Only for a time. You will return. For the boy, if for no other reason." "Craster's son?" Val shrugged. "He is no kin to me." Jon VIII, ADWD
Then she proceeds to admit she sings to him and tells Jon Snow to make sure he keeps the boy safe. When she gets back, she demands with genuine outrage in a private conversation with Jon Snow that "the monster" be moved away from Shireen out of sincere belief that Shireen's greyscale is contagious. She does care.
I do wish Gilly knew her son has more than Jon Snow to defend him.
What are your thoughts on the spread of dragons to other houses during jaehearys and viserys reigns
could laenor /children and grandchildren ride dragons even if they werent married to rhaenyra and daemon ?
I think itâs not coincidental that only three children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne received dragons: Aemon, the heir; Baelon, the spare; and Alyssa, destined virtually from birth to marry one of her two (surviving) elder brothers. Nor does this outcome seem to have been a coincidence: see, for example, Jaehaerysâ hardened disgust at the idea of âSaera with a dragonâ (following, of course, his disowning of her), or Viserraâs sole reported, and quickly ended, visit to the Dragonpit. Too, while Jaehaerys seems to have endorsed the non-Targaryen marriage of his dragonriding granddaughter Rhaenys, it is worth noting that Rhaenys herself was marrying the head of House Velaryon - in other words, the closest and most prominent of the Valyrian-descended Houses besides the Targaryens themselves, whose ancestry was closely intertwined with House Targaryen, at a time when the Velaryons were at the acme of their prestige and power. Nor does there seem to have been any effort on the part of the crown to extend the draconic authority to the kingâs only female-line grandchild, Aemma Arryn (part of the frustratingly answerless question on her dragonlessness). So I would say that generally, Jaehaerys I wanted to restrict the Targaryen dragons to within House Targaryenâs male line, with a possible exception for the family which came about as close as possible to being equal to the Targaryens.
While the reign of Viserys I saw a slightly increased extension of dragons to non-Targaryens (or rather, non-patrilineal descendants of Targaryens), Iâm not sure that the king thought it likely that non-Valyrian aristocrats, or those without royal descent, would ever have dragons. We donât know what Viserys thought of the betrothal of Laena Velaryon to the son of the Sealord of Braavos, but given that Lord Corlys himself continually delayed the actual marriage, perhaps the king thought the danger of a Braavosi pseudo-prince or his children getting a dragon a bit of a moot point. Too, while the king certainly advocated for the marriage of his (dragonriding) daughter Rhaenyra to the (dragonriding) Laenor Velaryon, itâs unclear to what (if any) extent Viserys saw this marriage as a way to consolidate both spousesâ dragons (and any for the children expected from this marriage) within the future ruling line. Nor does Viserys seem to have had strong feelings on his (again, dragonriding) daughter Helaena ever marrying anyone but her brother and eventual spouse, Aegon the Elder, or contemplated another spouse for the Vhagar-riding Laena Velaryon (besides her eventual husband Daemon, which marriage Viserys certainly did not encourage at its outset). Rather, I think that at the end of his life Viserys would have seen the draconic population much in the way his grandfather did: dragons concentrated in the hands of male-line Targaryens or Velaryons recently married into and/or descended from male-line Targaryens (with the added point, for Viserys, that the king publicly held out his grandsons by Rhaenyra to be his heirs after her).
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Tywin's kinda the funniest villain of all time like wdym your tragic backstory is your dad was too nice
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I hesitate to say that Euron is the culture of Valyria incarnate- he's missing one crucial aspect that Dany missed as well until the finale, democracy. All of the democratic societies (I discount wildling "elections", a mob-based warrior idolization...) are products of Valyria. The Ironborn Kingsmoot is only sort of an election, and is still couched in feudal rhetoric. Dany, the most visible heiress of Valyria, follows the ideas of Westerosi Kings. I'm glad she established democracy in Meereen.
Hey annon!
So, I think there is some confusion here, the Valyrianâswere not democratic they were in fact slaver, they used their dragons to enslavea lot of the people of Essos. Dany is in fact an antithesis to what theValyrianâs (and Euron) were and stood for. Dany has used her dragons as a symboland a tool of liberation* whereas in the past they were the means and symbol ofenslavement. The Valyrianâs saw themselves as being above anyone else, theirdragons gave them the power to subjugate people. Something that Euron is alsolooking to do.
Dany for all her pride, has never really seen herself asabove others (as people), she respects other cultures, tries to embrace/assimilateto them (Dothraki/Ghiscari) and takes council from all manner of people. Shesees something in herself in the faces of the former slaves, she empathizeswith them because she can understand how they feel (to a lesser extent).
Regarding the democracy, I think itâs great. She actuallyhad tried it before in Astapor but of course that ended in disaster, however, Ithink she has learned from that mistake and has left a much more stable regionfor democracy to flourish. It is ironic that she can see this as the right thingfor other but still sees herself as a monarch.
But if you really want to delve into the Valyrian/Euron axesyou should really check out @poorquentyn âs blog. He has written extensively aboutthis and is much better at it than me.
*Jon Snow on the other side of the world has also changedthe way the Starks have operated for a long time. He had made peace with theWildings and welcome them into Westeros. They both (Dany and Jon) are trying tochange the world around them.
TTFN!
Valyria restricted voting to freeborn landowners, who enslaved millions in some of the most (nigh-literal) hellish conditions imaginable. Sure, the Valyrians built some incredible things. And how did they do that? Magic plus misery. To borrow from Louis CK: thereâs no limit to what you can accomplishâŠif you donât give a shit about what happens to those under your control. Dany has the hair and the eyes and the dragons, but in terms of worldview and ambitions (as @madeinmyrâ has argued), Euron is the true scion of Old Valyria, not Dany. And good for her, and to hell with him.Â
Seriously, I donât know how itâs possible to read ASOIAF or its attendant works and come away with the idea that the Valyrians were just dandy. If nothing else, the Faceless Men origin story exposes the horror that called itself the Freehold. The great bitter joke is that Valyria was a den of monsters long before the Doom made that literal.Â
Hey, I love reading your essays and I completely agree with your love of Quentyn. I'm curious about your feelings on house Hightower. Do you think they have any influence on the Citadel and the Faith of the Seven? And if so, do you think that influence has any impact on Westeros society as a whole? Also, I'd LOVE to hear more about the eldritch apocalypse you've mentioned, and how that might relate to the Hightowers.
Hiya, thanks!
The Hightowers are still nigh-unquestionably themost powerful lesser House in Westeros, but the fact that their current lordhas spent the last decade with his head quite literally in the clouds hints ata fair amount of decay incurred in the years since the familyâs dizzying heightsand catastrophic lows in the Dance of the Dragons. Whatever influence HouseHightower wielded over the Faith was greatly diminished by the transference ofsymbolic and practical authority from Oldtownâs Starry Sept to the capitalâsGreat Sept of Baelor. As for the maesters, they were driven to kill off theremaining dragons by the horrific consequences of the dragon-war HouseHightower instigated, so I imagine relations between the Citadel and theHightowers have been somewhat frosty ever since.
What will befall the present-day Hightowers?They rule over Oldtown, the second largest municipality in Westeros and athriving center of trade, yet they rely on the Redwynes to shelter city andcoast from the Ironborn. This protection will vanish when Euron shatters LordPaxterâs fleet early on in The Winds ofWinter, possibly by magical means. If the rumors about Lord Leyton (and hisdaughter Malora) are close to true, the Hightowers are looking to the oldpowers to serve as their cityâs savior, rather than its doom.
Theyâre going to be rather dramaticallydisappointed, and this is where we get into my beloved Eldritch Apocalypse. Come,sweetlings, plunge into the abyss of insanity with me! (Watch for tentacles.)
In the first three books, it was clear that themetaphysical threat came from the North. But simmering under the surface of AFeast for Crows and The Worldof Ice and Fire is a stunning reorientation of this driving tension.There is now a second and pointedly southern locus of cosmic horror, equally likely as the Wall to serve as a portal which, after standing closed for millennia,finally gives way and lets the nightmares in.
Quoth Adventure Time: âBefore there was time,before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothingâŠtherewere monsters.â
Even the Asshai'i do notclaim to know who built their city; they will say only that a city has stood here since theworld began and will stand here until it ends. Few places in the known worldare as remote as Asshai, and fewer are as forbidding. Travelers tell us thatthe city is built entirely of blackstone: halls, hovels, temples, palaces, streets, walls, bazaars, all. Somesay as well that the stone of Asshai has a greasy, unpleasant feel to it, thatit seems to drink the light, dimming tapers and torches and hearth fires alike.The nights are very black in Asshai, all agree, and even the brightest days ofsummer are somehow grey and gloomy.
Maestersand other scholars alike have puzzled over the greatest of the enigmas ofSothoryos, the ancient city of Yeen. Aruin older than time, built of oily black stone, in massive blocks so heavythat it would require a dozen elephants to move them, Yeen has remained adesolation for many thousands of years, yet the jungle that surrounds it onevery side has scarce touched it. (âA city so evil that even the junglewill not enter,â Nymeria is supposed to have said when she laid eyes onit, if the tales are true). Every attempt to rebuild or resettle Yeen has endedin horror.
Onthe Isle of Toads can be found an ancient idol, a greasy black stone crudely carved into the semblance of a gigantictoad of malignant aspect, some forty feet high. The people of this isle arebelieved by some to be descended from those who carved the Toad Stone, forthere is an unpleasant fishlike aspect to their faces, and many have webbedhands and feet. If so, they are the sole surviving remnant of this forgottenrace.
Whenthe daughter of the Opal Emperor succeeded him as the Amethyst Empress, herenvious younger brother cast her down and slew her, proclaiming himself theBloodstone Emperor and beginning a reign of terror. He practiced dark arts,torture, and necromancy, enslaved his people, took a tiger-woman for his bride,feasted on human flesh, and cast down the true gods to worship a black stone that had fallen from the sky.
Thethrone of the Greyjoys, carved into theshape of a kraken from an oily black stone, was said to have been found bythe First Men when they first came to Old Wyk.
Evenmore enigmatic to scholars and historians is the great square fortress of black stone that dominates that isle. Formost of recorded history, this monumental edifice has served as the foundationand lowest level of the Hightower, yet we know for a certainty that it predates the upper levels of the towerby thousands of years.
Aneven more fanciful possibility was put forth a century ago by Maester Theron.Born a bastard on the Iron Islands, Theron noted a certain likeness between the black stone of the ancient fortress andthat of the Seastone Chair, the high seat of House Greyjoy of Pyke, whoseorigins are similarly ancient and mysterious. Theronâs rather inchoatemanuscript Strange Stone postulates that both fortress and seat might be thework of a queer, misshapen race of half men sired by creatures of the salt seasupon human women. These Deep Ones,as he names them, are the seed from which our legends of merlings have grown,he argues, whilst their terrible fathersare the truth behind the Drowned God of the ironborn.
Aeron Greyjoy is desperate to unseat Euron from the Seastone Chair. But given that it was the Damphairâs own kingsmoot thatlegitimized Euronâs rule, that (as Victarion points out) Aeronhimself placed the driftwood crown on Euronâs head, I donât think the populistcrusade Aeron launched in Feast willsucceed. Instead, he will be forced to beg the Drowned God to directly intervene.And the priestâs god will answer his prayersâŠbut said deity will turn out to bea Lovecraftian abomination, promptly unleashing hell on âthese holyislandsâ before turning his baleful gaze on Oldtown.
And yet, and yet, Câthulhu is just the beginning. He could verywell find the city already in ruins and have to turn and shrug exaggeratedly atthe camera while a sad trombone plays.
Why? Because there is a Faceless Man in the city, and hehas a skeleton key. Because heâs probably after âthe fragmentary, anonymous, blood-soaked tome sometimescalled Blood and Fire and sometimes The Death of Dragons, the only survivingcopy of which was supposedly hidden away in a locked vault beneath theCitadel.â Becausethere is a one-man-apocalypse pirate king in the neighborhood, and heâs goingto get a dragon. Because the maesters have some awful secrets, and I shudder tothink what they will do to protect them. Because Sam is unknowingly carryingaround the horn that could bring down the Wall. Because, as mentioned, theHightowers are messing with magic they will inevitably prove unable to control.Because the glass candles are burning, and as with Sarumanâs palantir, âwe donot know who else may be watching.â
Anyone of these could produce a city-wide cataclysm. But all of them together? Thatâs a recipe for a feverishoverripe horror crescendo that has me so excited I can barely breathe. Now, Icould speculate as to the specifics of how these elements will interact, but toborrow from boiledleatherâs must-read meditation on the Deep Ones and cosmichorror in general:
The world ⊠about whichMaester Yandel writes is in a very important way just a series of trapdoorsthat drop you directly into nightmare after nightmare. The drop is the point,not the floor that connects them.
Iâmnot saying we shouldnât theorizeâshit, what else am I doing right now? Iâmsaying that whatever theory you can hash out and write down is likely besidethe point. The point is how it makes you feel. Do you feelthat something of tremendous, awesome importance has happened that you cannever fully understand? That there are forces at work in this world beyond eventhose of the Others and the Children, beyond R'hllor and the Seven and the OldGods, beyond the Stranger? That you are, in some fundamental and inescapableway, at sea?
Thesea is the point. Not the land you could perhaps construct amid the sea,holding it at bay for however longâthe sea. The sea. THE SEA.
Magic has been leaking back into this world in quick,isolated bursts; a shadowbaby here, an increased wildfire output there. InOldtown, come The Winds of Winter,itâs all going to flood in at once. Thereâs a meta component to this aswell: GRRMâs been largely holding back his peerless horror chops but forisolated exceptions like the Red Wedding and the wight attack at the Fist ofthe First Men, and so the Sam and Aeron chapters in Winds will constitute the full unveiling. (Part of me thinks thatâswhy he left those POVs out of Dance:he wanted to take his time, do it right, and unleash the horror whole.)
Donât get me wrong, Iâm eagerly anticipatinâ the storylinesset in Winterfell and Kingâs Landing and the Dothraki Sea as well, but nothing compares to the Second Doomabout to ravage southwestern Westeros. It is going to sear my soul and break mybrain and leave me gibbering in the proverbial corner, and I simply cannotwait.