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i’ve seen a lot of posts flying around recently discussing the use (or not) of they/them pronouns for the canon vessels and as a Certified They/Them myself i feel at least a little obligated to add my two cents
you don’t really… see nonbinary characters in media too often. least of all when their nonbinary-ness isn’t like.. a huge deal. the vessels being genderless and using the pronouns they do is super important to me and many other people who identify like me, because it’s so so rare to get that sort of representation at all, least of all without it being made into a whole social justice issue or commentary (which is all great ofc, but it’s nice to have something just casual once in a while). which we get in hollow knight! and i love that! so do many others in my position!
however when it comes to fandom, both for this game and others with nb characters and protagonists (COUGHundertale) there is somewhat of a problem with people who see a genderless character, explicitly said to be genderless by the source material and/or the creator, and go “oh cool! a blank slate to project whatever idea of gender i want onto!”. which is pretty textbook erasure. and usually that gender is male, from what i’ve seen, which is a whole other can of worms about male being the “standard” that i don’t want to open but sure is a thing too that i and many others have noticed
making gender headcanons for canon characters that aren’t canonly marginalised identities is naturally all fine n stuff, but think of it this way (purely theoretical scenario): say there’s a gay character in media, who is widely seen as good representation, and openly shown/said to be gay in the source material or by the creator. however, for whatever reason, a big chunk of the fandom just so decides that this character is instead straight, and only describes them as straight and ships them with the opposite gender, because “it doesn’t matter that much” or “it’s up to interpretation” or “people make straight characters gay all the time” or *insert excuse here*
can we all agree that that would be homophobic at worst and erasure at the very least? ok? cool. that’s how I feel when I see people downplaying the importance of nonbinary/genderless characters in media. especially considering they’re even rarer to see compared to gay characters. you could replace the above example with just about anything - trans characters being hc’d as cis, poc characters being hc’d as white, it’s all the same principle and proves the same point
at the same time, though, nonbinary people do exist who use binary pronouns! that’s incredibly valid, pronouns don’t define your gender etc etc, my problem is more with people who completely erase the fact the vessels are nonbinary at all. i’d be considerably less iffy with people who make binary pronoun headcanons keeping that in mind (though anything other than the canon they/them for them does make me eeehh a bit, it really isn’t my place to judge people who aren’t exactly crossing any lines, so yall keep going even if its not my thing) but sadly i don’t see that too often
tl;dr cis/binary people please keep in mind that the canon vessels’ gender and pronouns may not seem so important for you, but to others it’s a huge deal when it comes to representation that’s otherwise very few and far between. please be considerate and listen to nb people when we say it’s an issue!
extra note: this post has nothing to do with ocs, feel absolutely free to have your vessel ocs identify however you like! it’s more a matter of the representation present in canon that i’m discussing here
@liz5100 in replies (it isn't letting me tag you for some reason??)
Yes! It's not very in-your-face at all, but if you pay attention to dialogue and text in game, you'll find that not once in the game are any vessels including the player character referred to with gendered pronouns or language. Team Cherry indeed confirmed in an interview that this was deliberate on their part, as the vessels are intended to be genderless beings (and the fact Hornet is referred to specifically as The Gendered Child (of the king) makes this stand out even more).
You're right though, it's never openly stated in game - like a lot of other things aren't! Hollow Knight does an exceptionally good job at showing, not telling, when it comes to its story and details which is all part of the charm. And as such, not knowing that the vessels are supposed to be genderless isn't something I can really fault people for- that's not deliberate erasure, it's just being unaware, nothing malicious about it. Most of what this post was written in response to was people who were aware of but unsure about the situation, or didn't understand why nonbinary people are so concerned about cases like this.
EDIT: i unfortunately don’t have any screenshots of the interview in question but if anyone knows what i’m talking about and does, feel free to add on or submit it to me and i’ll include it in the post!
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(I can’t recall exactly who came from who so feel free to make yourselves known!! I own the vessels in eggs, that’s it)
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I’m looking to get roughly 50-100 vessels for an upcoming post!
Here’s what I need:
A refrence of the vessel, just front is fine.
They need to be in baby mode, like ghost!
Multiple vessels per person is very welcome!
a small selection of small children,
i’ve seen a lot of posts flying around recently discussing the use (or not) of they/them pronouns for the canon vessels and as a Certified They/Them myself i feel at least a little obligated to add my two cents
you don’t really... see nonbinary characters in media too often. least of all when their nonbinary-ness isn’t like.. a huge deal. the vessels being genderless and using the pronouns they do is super important to me and many other people who identify like me, because it’s so so rare to get that sort of representation at all, least of all without it being made into a whole social justice issue or commentary (which is all great ofc, but it’s nice to have something just casual once in a while). which we get in hollow knight! and i love that! so do many others in my position!
however when it comes to fandom, both for this game and others with nb characters and protagonists (COUGHundertale) there is somewhat of a problem with people who see a genderless character, explicitly said to be genderless by the source material and/or the creator, and go “oh cool! a blank slate to project whatever idea of gender i want onto!”. which is pretty textbook erasure. and usually that gender is male, from what i’ve seen, which is a whole other can of worms about male being the “standard” that i don’t want to open but sure is a thing too that i and many others have noticed
making gender headcanons for canon characters that aren’t canonly marginalised identities is naturally all fine n stuff, but think of it this way (purely theoretical scenario): say there’s a gay character in media, who is widely seen as good representation, and openly shown/said to be gay in the source material or by the creator. however, for whatever reason, a big chunk of the fandom just so decides that this character is instead straight, and only describes them as straight and ships them with the opposite gender, because “it doesn’t matter that much” or “it’s up to interpretation” or “people make straight characters gay all the time” or *insert excuse here*
can we all agree that that would be homophobic at worst and erasure at the very least? ok? cool. that’s how I feel when I see people downplaying the importance of nonbinary/genderless characters in media. especially considering they’re even rarer to see compared to gay characters. you could replace the above example with just about anything - trans characters being hc’d as cis, poc characters being hc’d as white, it’s all the same principle and proves the same point
at the same time, though, nonbinary people do exist who use binary pronouns! that’s incredibly valid, pronouns don’t define your gender etc etc, my problem is more with people who completely erase the fact the vessels are nonbinary at all. i’d be considerably less iffy with people who make binary pronoun headcanons keeping that in mind (though anything other than the canon they/them for them does make me eeehh a bit, it really isn’t my place to judge people who aren’t exactly crossing any lines, so yall keep going even if its not my thing) but sadly i don’t see that too often
tl;dr cis/binary people please keep in mind that the canon vessels’ gender and pronouns may not seem so important for you, but to others it’s a huge deal when it comes to representation that’s otherwise very few and far between. please be considerate and listen to nb people when we say it’s an issue!
extra note: this post has nothing to do with ocs, feel absolutely free to have your vessel ocs identify however you like! it’s more a matter of the representation present in canon that i’m discussing here
more friends now I've set up their habitat :)
Anyway Mori is a furry and here’s their fursona
(Mori’s from @trackinghallownest )
pix i am going to kill you with my bare ass hands
i’ve been talking ocs with @modpix-blog for well over a year now and sometimes it’s really fun and gets real into the lore and i can guarantee some of my characters would not be the same without her but then on other occasions its just
What ur deal? What do u do?
it wasn’t even a good one, and still all this paperwork... who gives a damn about ‘incident report’ forms anyway? we don’t even have a department to process these things.
on one hand having the askblog queued for 2 posts a day is pretty reasonable but on the other hand i am SO impulse driven and i REALLY REALLY want to just post all 3 of the asks i got done like right now
@tanzytechgem made the mistake of teaching me how to write in hallowscript and now i cannot be stopped
Are YOU a cop???
now if you’ll excuse us, unless you’ve some actual business here, you might want to consider moving along before anything... happens.
in the background you can faintly hear the sound of smashing glass and a few bugs swearing. that’s reassuring.
[Ramira and Den are open for asks.]
hoh i should post this here too... ram’s first actual ref :’) it’s been 10000 years
may or may not have made a questionable decision just now but you will have to wait until tomorrow when it is less 2am for me to decide whether i’m going to go along with this impulse or not
honestly i’ve been thinking abt the sanctum gang so much recently i’ve been kinda tempted to make an askblog except for the fact it’d exist for all of five seconds before i got distracted and let it die
the other barrier to this is that realistically ram’s answer to any personal question would either be a blatant straight-faced lie or ‘what are you, a cop’
every so often @modpix-blog just Crashes into my dms with an idea and singlehandedly rekindles all my motivation for hollow knight ocs in one fell swoop
ok i’m doing this right now actually because i’m impatient and desperate! the best combination
I’ll draw your OC (or anything really) in this style:
with cel shading and optional coloured lines for £18 (fullbody), half/bust like shown £12. will do humans, animals, anthro, etc
i am aware this is not that much of a sale but fillings are expensive, and if anything i’m really vibing with this style lately so i’ll probably get it done sooner rather than later
please dm me!! usual commissions rules apply
you can pay through [my ko-fi] or i can send you a paypal invoice either works!
