Today an old man came into the restaurant wearing an NRA hat and I thought ‘man, I’m so glad that that generation is going to die off here coming up so that people can stop being murdered in a broad scale.’
Except gun violence as a whole is down, and has been going down for the past 20+ years. What do you mean when you say “…people can stop being murdered in a broad scale?” Unless you’re referring to gang violence, then I do not understand what you mean by the NRA.
Mass shootings using semi automatics.
Well funny that you mention semi-automatic firearms because I’ve actually experienced a mass shooting, do you know what weapon caused the most destruction during that? It wasn’t any semi-automatic firearm, but rather a pump action shotgun. Do you know what a bigger killer during mass shootings is? It’s no firearm, it’s actually the gun free zone sign. Please tell me what you think is the bigger problem here. Lastly, you have not answered either of my previous questions.
Get out. You don’t even follow me. This post was not made so you could start arguing against it, it was made because I take a different stance than you and it wasn’t made for you to see since you don’t even follow me. I don’t have all these sources ready to slam you with because I don’t spend all my time obsessing over guns and looking for arguements with people. But i know that gun control works because just look at Australia. Leave me and my post the fuck alone now please.
Except that it has not worked in Australia one bit.
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People die Australia as a result of firearms violence at almost the same rate they did prior to the firearms act, and some sources state that more than a quarter million illicit firearms exist in Australia currently.
The total firearms death rate in 1995 - the year before the massacre and the laws introduced - was 2.6 per 100,000 people. The total firearms murder rate that year was 0.3/100,000. From 1980-1995, Australian firearms deaths dropped from 4.9/100,000-2.6/100,000 without the implementation of firearms laws. This is a rate of decline that has remained fairly constant; Looking at 1996-2014, in which the rate has dropped from 2.6-0.86, it shows that the decline has been slower in a longer period of time since the law’s passing. Likewise, homicides declined more quickly in the 15 years prior to the firearms laws (0.8-0.3) than in the 18 years since it (0.3-0.1). This just indicates that firearms deaths haven’t been noticeably affected by the legislation you’ve claimed has done so much to decrease gun crime.
It should also be noted that around the same time, New Zealand experienced a similar mass shooting, but did not change their existing firearms laws, which remain fairly lax; even more so than some American states like California, New York, or Connecticut. Despite this, their firearms crime rate has declined fairly steadily as well, and they haven’t experienced a mass shooting since.
The “Australia banned guns and now they’re fine”argument is really old and really poorly put together. Gun control is little more than a pink band-aid on the sucking chest wound that is America’s social and economic problems. It’s a ‘quick fix’ issue used by politicians to skirt around solving the roots of the violence problem in the United States, which are primarily poverty, lack of opportunities, and lack of education.
You could ban guns tomorrow nationwide and gun violence and overall violent crime would not be reduced at all.
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In 2005 the head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn,[37] noted that the level of legal gun ownership in NSW increased in recent years, and that the 1996 legislation had had little to no effect on violence
In 2006, the lack of a measurable effect from the 1996 firearms legislation was reported in the British Journal of Criminology. Using ARIMA analysis, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran found no evidence for an impact of the laws on homicide.[40]
A study coauthored by Simon Chapman found declines in firearm‐related deaths before the law reformsaccelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p=0.04), firearm suicides (p=0.007) and firearm homicides (p=0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased.[43]
Subsequently, a study by McPhedran and Baker compared the incidence of mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand. Data were standardized to a rate per 100,000 people, to control for differences in population size between the countries and mass shootings before and after 1996/1997 were compared between countries. That study found that in the period 1980–1996, both countries experienced mass shootings. The rate did not differ significantly between countries. Since 1996-1997, neither country has experienced a mass shooting event despite the continued availability of semi-automatic long arms in New Zealand. The authors conclude that “the hypothesis that Australia’s prohibition of certain types of firearms explains the absence of mass shootings in that country since 1996 does not appear to be supported… if civilian access to certain types of firearms explained the occurrence of mass shootings in Australia (and conversely, if prohibiting such firearms explains the absence of mass shootings), then New Zealand (a country that still allows the ownership of such firearms) would have continued to experience mass shooting events.”[44]
HONESTLY I DON’T CARE. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
Very good, when faced with facts that challenge your beliefs the best thing to do is to ignore it. This is the logical way of thinking.
I TOLD YOU I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR A GODDAMN DEBATE WITH YOU AND YOU CONTINUE TO BARADE ME WITH FACTS THAT I’M CLEARLY NOT PREPARED TO ARGUE AGAINST. I’M NOT EVEN TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU, YOU CUNT. BUT FINE, YOU’RE RIGHT. YOU’RE FUCKING RIGHT! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANA HEAR? YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU’RE CLEARLY THE WISER SMARTER INDIVIDUAL. THEY’LL HOLD YOUR NAME IN HIGH ESTEEM FOR CENTURIES BECAUSE YOU TRIUMPHED! YOU WON THE DEBATE! YOU DID IT! GREAT JOB BUDDY! GOOD ON YA PAL! NICE GOING MATE! HAS THE PARADE STARTED YET?! HAVEN’T THEY COME TO LIFT YOU UP ON YOUR THRONE MADE OF GOLD AND CARRIED YOU OFF INTO THE SUNSET CHANTING YOUR NAME AND WORSHIPING YOU LIKE A GOD?! WELL I HOPE THEY GET THERE SOON BECAUSE GODDAMMIT YOU WON A DEBATE AGAINST A PERSON WHO DIDN’T WANT A DEBATE AND WHO CONTINUED TO ASK YOU TO STOP WITH EVERY RESPONSE YOU GAVE! MURICA HAS ANOTHER HERO! HERE TO SAVE US ALL! MAYBE TRUMP WILL ASK YOU TO BE HIS VICE PRESIDENT! WHEN HE ASKS HE’LL SAY “I CHOSE THIS PERSON AS MY VP BECAUSE THEY WON THE DEBATE AGAINST AN 18 YEAR OLD WITH MINIMAL LIFE EXPERIENCE, NO SOURCES TO COUNTER WITH, AND WHO NEVER WANTED TO HEAR YOUR OPINION IN THE FIRST PLACE!” AND THE CROWD WILL CHEER AND THEY’LL ALL BOW DOWN TO WORSHIP YOU SOME MORE. BECAUSE YOU WON. Now please leave me alone
Whenever someone asks why I think liberals and anti-gunners are fucking children that don’t understand anything they say, I’ll show them this post.
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