z. he/him. bisexual, agender, transmasculine. discourse sideblog.
zionists, terfs, radqueers, and other wastes of oxygen get blocked
the lgbt community is for lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and trans people. if none of those words even vaguely describe you, thank you for being an ally :)
only people with gender dysphoria are trans (including dysphoric nb people)
"mspec" is bullshit you're bi and annoying
"bi lesbian" is bullshit you're bi and annoying
tma/tme are useful terms for describing material oppression and if you're whining about it i'm going to assume it's because you're tme
aces/aros aren't lgbt for being ace/aro and cis aroaces aren't lgbt
if you tell me to kms i will return the favor in graphic detail
when i'm not being a "huge asshole" i like animals, swimming, and fiber crafts
i literally hope the bunnyboobs freak breaks his hands and can't draw anymore. i am so sick of his stupid fucking fursona. never have i ever been happier to have my tits lopped off because that means i have one less thing in common with his stupid ass.
okay thats it, im convinced, VelvetVexations is categorically not a real person. she must be a troll. this must be some huge prank. it must be. it must be.
People (or in this case sockpuppets) like Velvet only participate in these conversations to drown out the legitimate frameworks by bogging down conversations with obviously fact-checkable bullshit, because they know that most of their audience simply wonât check because they donât care about anything but having their pre-existing biases confirmed. It should be no surprise that Velvet is the only transfem (assuming she isnât a sockpuppet, which is a big assumption) that a lot of these folks follow â they canât stand to be around anybody who will stand up against transmisogyny, which she categorically never does under any circumstances except to imply that we are men who are oppressed for being men rather than women oppressed for being women.
accurate assessment, in my brief experience w her it was like her primary tactics were dragging in inflammatory and irrelevant shit to make ppl jump to defend her (who needs to actually argue w someone when you can just tack scary buzzwords on them?), denying things w no evidence (as you've described), and then trying to reshape the argument into something else entirely (like she made a huge deal about how she was going to bring me examples of transfems harassing transmascs, which i legitimately expected her to do, and then she just Didn't Do That). that is of course when she wasnt just insulting me or her transfem peers directly lol
yeah basically. like she literally never positively interacts with other trans girls on the site, itâs just hate and arguing and discourse and at some point you gotta ask yourself who the common denominator is here. she literally goes into the transmisogyny tag looking for trans girls to fight, itâs awful, totally dishonourable behaviour â im convinced that sheâs the sockpuppet sideblog of somebody who wants to get away with posing as a trans woman to tear down transfeminist values & because the transandrobros desperately needed a antitransfeminist transfem mascot to validate their misogynistic perspectives so this user seized the opportunity to just disseminate deeply transmisogynistic ideology & harass trans women with plausible deniability.
i would bet money sheâs the sideblog of one of the big transandroterfs like genderqueerdykes or something. actually that one in particular has a history of pretending to be transfem already so,
can i still laugh at that pic of two copies of polysecure in the same donation box or will the most annoying people from portland and/or seattle still initiate a monolog that starts with "listen up fuckers" or "you know what? no, fuck this and fuck you"
need ppl to understand that the word "transandrophobia" is so heavily associated with violent transmisogyny atp that if you use it, no matter what YOUR PERSONAL reason is, then basically all serious transfeminists will immediately consider you a potential danger to trans women. it is a massive dogwhistle hope this helps
âImagine thinking that "bone density" of a twelve year old boy vs girl is going to be significantly different enough for an unfair sporting advantage,â
It⌠literally is. The difference between male and female bones isnât slight and 12 year olds are actually right at the point where that difference becomes even more pronounced. Beyond having much stronger bones, natal males also have more muscle mass (which HRT can only reduce by up to 5%), larger hearts, larger lungs, and more efficient oxygen transport during exerciseâAll of these are pretty relevant to athletic performance.
This transwomen-in-womenâs-sports hill that so many of you are willing to die on is beyond unscientific and it comes across as both deluded and incredibly selfish to anyone with a functional understanding of sexual dimorphism. Women losing the right to relatively fair competition is not acceptable collateral for making trans people feel more affirmed.
I know exactly who is sending this and dude I'm embarrassed for you because you're so obsessed with this bullshit. Like it's children playing sports. For fuck's sake can YOU choose another hill to die on? Am I the one actually digging through blogs to cry about the slightly denser hip bones of prepubescent boys and how it's unfair to let them play soccer with the girls? I post on this blog, like, every other day. Usually just to reblog something I thought was interesting. I am of the opinion that sports as a whole shouldn't be such a big fucking deal and YOU deciding to read more into that isn't my problem.
Don't tell me, a woman, how you, a man who loves to shit on trans people, how women are "losing the right to (relatively*) fair competition". You had to add that little caveat because it's already a well known fact that sports aren't actually "fair" at all, hence the banning of (mostly black) women who have more testosterone than others through no fault of their own. Christ.
But forget all that! Since I genuinely wanted to learn more on the subject, mostly out of spite for you specifically, I decided to do some digging. Here are the actual facts about muscle mass and bone density between the sexes, as well as the effects of HRT.
Here's a quote from a Canadian study on bone density, which I hope you find particularly interesting: (source)
There was no gender difference in TB BMC until age 14 or in TB BMD until age 16, when male values were significantly greater. Females had significantly greater LS BMC at ages 12 and 13, but by age 17 the male values were significantly greater.
It's not a "boys strong girls weak" situation, actually, because bodies are complicated and full of moving bits. Girls have stronger spines in their preteens (on average) whereas boys have tougher hips. This shifts and changes. At age 12, specifically, it's not AT ALL significant enough to impact playing at a preteen-capacity sporting event, especially a team-based one. You think having one kid with slightly stronger bones on one of the teams is ruining the playing field??? K
In some countries, the disparities are different between sexes, and there's a growing issue with girls entering puberty far earlier than boys (probably microplastics, who knows). To try and paint it as this black-and-white "boys play with boys, girls play with girls" as if that actually makes things significantly fairer when I, a girl who stood a good half foot taller than my male classmates at age twelve and did martial arts since I was able to walk, was considered weaker competition than the two-heart-transplants boy who was at serious risk of death if someone came to school with a cough? No one ACTUALLY gives a single flying fuck about these sports being balanced.
Alright, muscle mass time.
Here's a Danish study (source) that actually bothered to distinguish between levels and variations in physical activity. And, unsurprisingly, from ages 10-12 there aren't significant differences muscle-wise between girls and boys who engage in the same sports.
For the specifics, check table 3 and the averages it gives for each sex, especially with the standard deviation being much higher than the difference between those averages.
That was all well and good, and again, you WILL find significant differences between different cultures because bones and muscles are heavily reliant on what you eat, your genetics BESIDES sex, and the activities you're participating in. So to reiterate, why is sex the thing we're using as a mark of "fairness" given the variables that ACTUALLY make a notable difference at these younger ages?
I think I've made my stance pretty fucking clear at this point, which is "this whole idea that sex is the arbiter of balanced competition is stupid". But we're not done with the original ask, which also claims that HRT can only reduce muscle mass by up to 5%.
God, okay, so this one was fucking annoying to look into because it's not as simple as a flat muscle-mass-change-percentage. There are different muscle groups that are affected differently by hormones and whatnot, but I couldn't find any evidence that it was a maximum of 5% change?? Here's a review of the last twenty years of studies in the area of trans women undergoing HRT (source). If you're trying to find a conclusive range of possible change in muscle mass, you're going to come up short, because that's not what people are studying here.
Let me explain a few things. The average reported change in muscle mass after about a year of HRT was ~3-6%. There's no accounting for how much of an actual change that was in relation to their lifestyles, because trans women don't actually tend to be professional athletes. These are just girlies who go about their lives.
What am I getting at here? Well, let's say, sure, that average muscle mass decrease was 5% ish. That's from that individual's initial muscle mass to their current. The difference between cis men and trans women, however, could be anywhere from 6% to 20%. The data you're comparing actually matters and the variables at play matter, too. Trans women who hadn't undergone ANY HRT still tended to have ~10% less muscle mass than cis men!
There are a lot of theories surrounding what makes someone trans to begin with, and several studies have confirmed androgen insensitivity to be prevalent in trans women, so you can imagine how that would change their physical development. Just food for thought.
I kinda rambled and got pissy here but honestly I'm so sick of the nitpicking bullshit because no one pretending to give a shit about trans women in sports actually cares about the numbers or the balance or whatever have you, they just obsess over this idea that "failed men" are stealing from "poor, weak women", which I shouldn't have to explain is a stupid and sexist position.
In conclusion: professional-level sports aren't fucking fair no matter how strictly sexed they are, this whole argument is meaningless because transphobic assholes don't actually care about any of these talking points, and general exercise is good for you.
when attempting to lend credibility to their beliefs, it's not uncommon for those in favor of transandrophobia to cite their trans women friends who agree with them (sometimes she might've been amab!).
On the surface, this might give you the appearance of having sourced your beliefs from a wide variety of thoughts and experiences. in reality, what you just did was TOKENIZATION.
you're likely familiar with the ways black & intersex communities are tokenized (to deflect accusations of racism and clapback at terfs respectively), but it seems people struggle to conceptualize what tokenization looks like when you do it to a trans woman.
fortunately, i've found a good example for you!
this poster is under the impression that, by getting a trans woman to agree with them, it will prove them right.
cause how could it be transmisogynistic when a trans woman agreed with me?
the tokenization is made abundantly clear by use of the phrase "as a trans woman". as if just by virtue of being a trans woman, it somehow imparts upon you an enlightened understanding of transmisogyny.
in reality it's piss easy to find trans women to endorse your transmisogynistic rhetoric, because we've all internalized some transmisogynistic thought to some degree. someone who genuinely understands that would never stoop to the level of hiding behind their trans women friends.
because getting one or two of your trans women friends to agree with you...does not mean you have been acquitted of all accusations of transmisogyny. it in fact tells people that you're so transmisogynistic that you think you can pull the "my black tranny friend says i'm cool" card and nobody will notice.
so the next time a trans woman says you're being transmisogynistic, don't rush to find a trans woman who will validate you. instead, think critically about what she's saying. ask clarifying questions if you don't understand. if she's tired of explaining it to people like you, see if a friend can explain what she's saying for you, instead of seeking a friend to reassure you.
iâll be the one to say it: thereâs no such thing as âafab trans womenâ. if you were assigned female at birth and you ârelate to trans womenâ: guess what. thatâs because weâre human beings. to say âi was assigned female at birth, and identify as a woman, but im not a cis woman, i identify as a trans womanâ you are inherently saying âtrans women are a different gender to cis womenâ. being intersex does also not entitle people assigned female at birth to identify as trans women; there are, in fact, actual intersex trans women, assigned male at birth, who are justifiably fucking peeved at their experiences & language being co-opted by people who fundamentally arenât confined by the limitations of transmisogyny.
a âtrans womanâ is a woman who was assigned male at birth. you can âfeel like a woman in a trans wayâ but youâre gonna have to come up with some other label because it is honestly the oldest & most simplest form of transmisogyny to suggest that trans women are this âtotally different genderâ to cis women. If you were assigned female at birth and identify as a trans woman, you are just a cis woman. You identify as a woman, the âcis/transâ part just describes whether or not it was the gender you were assigned at birth. These are the fucking basic building blocks of the trans community and trans girls are not going to cede to this obviously transmisogynistic bullshit.
the reason weâre seeing so much âafab transfemâ stuff recently is because the people using the term consider trans women to be âmen that feel like womenâ instead of women who happen to have been assigned male at birth. if they considered us as our actual genders, they would realise that identifying as a trans woman is nonsensical when you were assigned female at birth; like a short woman âidentifyingâ as a tall woman. Instead, these people consider themselves âwomen that feel like men that feel like womenâ â maybe not in those words, but that is the concept they are intending to evoke. obviously, it goes without saying, but this is incredibly transmisogynistic.
view us as actual women instead of a fun third gender
if you want to be a demigirl you can
if you want to be a girl on testosterone you can
for real though. the desire to Be A Trans Woman, As A Cis Woman is a very likely indicator that you're viewing trans womanhood as an aesthetic and as a separate gender from the womanhood you, a cis woman, are experiencing right now
People who get mad about the word theyfab are almost universally the same people who donât like getting called on their transmisogyny like so often do I see TME people posting abt transmisogyny and how bad it is but the second you imply they might be transmisogynist or have unconfronted transmisogynist beliefs they will leap on you. I donât even like the word theyfab but it exists for a reason. It really sincerely does and if you canât see that reason then the problem wonât go away. Why get mad at tgirls for talking about people who hold structural power over us in a flippant and derogatory way? Do you get mad when people call you a cracker? When gay people call straight people heteros? Like.
Idk. Reckon with your positionality. Trans women do not have any degree of power over you on the basis of our gender. Point fucking blank
People on this website are committed to misusing and redefining useful words in ways that make them useless as if it's a super great and radical act and it almost always just makes them impossible to use in any meaningful way now.
"Kink can be non-sexual if you just [describes participating in a hobby]" "afab transfems are real because transfem is just when you are trans and fem" "chaser is when you think trans women are hot and you really like them". Why even fucking use these words if you don't care about what they mean? Why use them? Do you even even think about what the point of any of these words is or do you only care about your dick measuring contest for who's more punk and who's got the most esoteric definitions?
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