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Asian Parent: Why you no good?
You: ???
Asian Parent: *smacks*
}
A decade later...
Asian Parent: Why are you depressed?
You: YOU tell ME!
Corrected: Typical Asian Parent logic
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The Harsh Truth and End Reesult of Asian Parenting on my childhood.
After reading a lot of the stories here, it all resonated with me and I also wanted to share my experiences. I am 28, and grew up in NYC with...
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After reading a lot of the stories here, it all resonated with me and I also wanted to share my experiences. I am 28, and grew up in NYC with parents very similar to those described here.
Mother was controlling, manipulative and emotionally needy. Father was angry, condescending and generally extremely volatile to be around. They were both extremely abusive both verbal and physical, but hid it under a veneer of care and love which made it very confusing for me when I was growing up. Now as an adult, I realize that actions are louder than words. When someone says that they love you, they don't also simultaneously hurt you and say it's for your own good.
As many of you know, our parents had us with the intention that we will take care of them when they get old. Kids are viewed as future caretakers and a retirement fund rolled into one. That combined with the mindset that your kids are an extension of you/the family and not their own person creates a very unhealthy environment.
If you are a minor and your parents is abusing you, you need to find help immediately. This is not your fault, the problem lies within them and not you. My parents told me when I was younger that it was my fault, and if I wasn't such a disappointing child, got better grades, lazy, etc. I wouldn't be hit. That is utter and complete BS. Nobody needs to hit you, yell at you or abuse you in any way as a form of discipline. It doesn't help you develop as a person (and we should all be raised to be adults one day). When my parents hit/yelled at me, it allow them to vent their frustration out on me - which is great for them, and keeps me broken down and easier to control - which is also great for them. You need to talk to a guidance counselor or call 911 or another emergency hotline immediately.
When you do reach out for help, the most important thing is not to be ashamed and tell them what is going on. They will most likely have a case worker come visit your home unannounced and there will be ongoing monitoring of your situation. Should there by obvious signs of abuse, you may be moved to temporary foster care until your parents show that they are fit enough to have you back in their custody again.
Most Asian parents I know have said awful things about foster care. But do realize that it's 100% certain that you will be abused in their home, and that these are just stories made up to scare you from exposing them. Most of the time you won't even be removed from their custody for better or worse. But this will allow you to take control of the situation. As soon as that phone call is made - your parents are at your mercy and cannot lay another finger on you without possible jail time. They also cannot kick you out without possible jail time as you are a minor. Would this cause friction in your household? Absolutely! Would you be emotionally torn apart by your parents blaming all of this on you? Most likely. Does it make your own situation worse? Not likely, as I do believe that no more physical abuse is always a good thing. But for once, someone has to look out for you, your best interest and not what's best for your parents.
If you are an adult living in your parents home, you need to get out. Look for a job that will sustain you, leave and don't look back. You do not need your parents permission to leave. Should they have your birth certificate, social security card or passport - get new copies. Your school should have a copy of your birth certificate on file and would be able to help you should you need a copy of it. With that you should be able to get a new birth certificate and social security card, and afterwards you can apply for whatever identification you please. Cut off their access to any of your bank accounts, credit cards, etc.
This is your life, you only get one chance to experience it. Do you really want to spend it living for other people? As an adult, you should have the autonomy to choose your own path - major, career, significant other, etc. As long as it's not illegal or destructive - who cares? A lot of Asian parents will use the whole "we just want the best for you" excuse to justify a lot of controlling behavior. I understand as a parent, their role is to guide their child - but when they lay down an extremely narrow path and withhold love and approval as a means of keeping them on that path regardless of how their child feels, because it is what THEY THINK it's best - they are wrong and it's abusive as well.
I've also heard from many Asian parents, especially my own that they sacrificed so much for their kids. When they see their children as trees, does watering them so they bear fruit for you to pick count as sacrificing? Is it really a sacrifice, when they create a life so they will have a caretaker and a retirement fund when they are old? What they are doing is investing and hoping for a return. When someone looks at me and doesn't even see me as a person, but a literal investment - it allows me to view our relationship very clearly and there is not much to salvage. Hopefully that sentiment also resonates with you.
So at the age of 21 I was able to move out, very haphazardly so. I had very little savings, a mediocre job and it was 2008 so the economy was bleak to say the least and I managed to survive. Initially there was a lot of tension and my parents and I didn't speak for a few months. That was phenomenally refreshing. Being able to walk into my own home without fear was the best situation I've created for myself. Being able to leave a water glass on my table without someone nagging was a victory. After a few months we reestablished contact (my mother initiated) and I've noticed the controlling behavior began again. My mother would want keys to my apartment so I would have a place to go to in case I forgot mine (I mean my landlord has a copy but that logic wasn't logical enough...), they would get upset if I don't visit often enough for their liking, criticizing my clothes, and making subtle comments that I can't take care of myself, or straight up asking for money. Every time incidents like that happened, I told them this is not something that I will be putting up with and will leave their home or end the phone call immediately. They always come crawling back, begging and manipulating - apparently me not putting up with their controlling behavior means I don't love them enough. This is the part when I realize that all of the threats to disown me were empty.
At this point, I realize that tigers never change their stripes. My parents will always be that way. I choose not to interact with them anymore since they bring no joy to my life, only pain, judgement, suffering and turmoil. I am happy that I have the strength of character to leave and not look back. I am happy that I am smart enough to see through their bullshit and not be wracked with guilt over this. I've gained enough insight to know how to never treat people, especially the ones you claim to love. I am strong enough to cut off all extended family members that saw the abuse I went through, did nothing - and was actively telling me that I need to treat my parents a certain way because they are genetically related to me. I am overjoyed that I can look back and say I've escaped.
Today is the first day of the rest of your life. How is your life going to be?
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Jennifer Pan's parents pushed her to be the perfect daughter. But once she grew up, she hired hit men to kill them. Her story is about more than girl gone bad. Asian family values are detonating in the 21st century. And it's time to do something about it.
For those with Asian Parents: If your parents cut off your support today, what would you do to get things back under financial control?
In other words, how will you support yourself financially if your parents will no longer support you (whether voluntarily or involuntarily)?
This is the first step in regaining control of your life. YOU make decisions with your life that are in YOUR best interest and your parents can’t do shit about it by cutting off support because you have some way of supporting yourself.
If you can’t support yourself without them, then figure out the shortest and fastest path to getting there. It may mean you need to get a job and start saving money TODAY and getting your life in order.
Don’t be like Jennifer Pann who was financially “trapped” by her parents because she had no career prospects well into her 20s and had to depend on her unreasonable parents (which eventually drove her batshit crazy.)
She is still coming to terms with the devastating death of her teenage granddaughter, who committed suicide over scoring two Bs in her O levels. Then, three months after the 16-year-old plunged to her death, Madam Ng Siang Mui's grief-stricken and guilt-ridden daughter, who was the teen's mother, also killed herself. The tragic double deaths has left her son-in-law, who is the teen's father, mentally unstable. Fortunately, more children and teenagers have been seeking help for suicidal thoughts, said the Samaritans of Singapore (SOS).
Unable to meet parents' expectations, she faked success until they found out. Then she plotted their murder
Partially inspired by the [excellent thread about words for those in the...
Partially inspired by the excellent thread about words for those in the struggle, I want to address something I haven't seen talked about in concrete terms. I'm 100% open to discussions and opinions on this, but here's something from my observations. Emotional blackmail. The handy tool in the arsenal of a controlling and often narcissistic parent. What is it? In the case of this sub, it's where a parent tries to get their desired outcome via playing the heartstrings of their children. Whether this is manifested by them via extreme disappointment for not doing exactly what they wanted, extreme disappointment for not being able to meet their impossible expectations, extreme accusations that you don't love them (or actively hate them), or even threats of (their) self-harm. What does this stem from? Guilt. It's a powerful mechanism -- not just limited to asian parents, but even to religions as well. And while this isn't about religion, the mechanism of garnering your parent's approval is most likely highly ingrained in you if you frequent this sub and/or relate to the stories. In a normal, loving parent/child relationship, I think it's pretty natural for most kids to look up to their parents and to want to do well by them. However, I think this very often gets highly perverted with asian parents. I don't know if this is as common as I think it is, but it seems like many asian parents pervert this idea into something more like: "if you don't do what I want you to do, you obviously don't love me." You start to develop an overwhelming guilt when you're not abiding by your parent's wishes. When you're raised to have a dampened notion of self-worth, and a heightened notion that you need to do well by your parents in order to do anything good in life, you're very likely trapped in the cycle of guilt and emotional blackmail. What can I do? Well, there's no silver bullet. The first step though, is being aware that all of this is a thing. If you weren't aware of this before, you have now been given a lens that you can look at your past fights/interactions with your parents with. The more you look at these interactions from a "am I / was I being guilted" point a view, the better you'll be at recognizing it real time. Furthermore, practice distilling the message from the guilt. What do they want from you and why? Never mind the emotional content -- are they pushing you into a specific career so that you don't have to, say, do physical labor to make ends meet? It's not a bad sentiment in it's own right, but the delivery can often be brutal to your psyche. Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff and see if there's anything worth keeping after. This way you can start to protect your emotional sanity without doing the "shut yourself out from the world" kind of thing. The next step is understanding that, your life is not about them. They might push you to do what they want to you to do, or want to brag about the stuff you did, or guilt you by saying so-and-so is going to some prestigious college, or whatever thing that might make you feel bad and/or less confident in yourself. It hurts, no doubt, hearing that kind of crap, but you should use that hurt to realize that you may be tacitly accepting their opinions about yourself. I don't think seeking your parent's approval is explicitly a bad thing, but you should not be living for your parents. You are an individual with wants and needs. Your opinion matters. This isn't a cry to outright rebel, but it is definitely a call to not let your feelings and thoughts get steamrolled. Next, plan. Everyone's situation is different. Some people are 100% financially dependent on their parents and may be subject to not even the emotional part of that kind of coercion and more the "you'll be homeless if you don't do what we want you to do" kind of coercion. Some are financially independent and just need a nudge to stand up more for themselves. Whatever the case, start planning. If you have to wait, don't leave matters until college or some other milestone -- look at scholarships, employment, and more to see if you can start edging away from your parent's control. Start thinking about where you might want to live, what it would cost to live there, and more. I don't encourage anyone to run away from home, or to do anything rash, I just want to encourage people to direct their frustrations into something more productive (like planning). Sometimes you have to play the longer game in order to come out with an outcome you're okay with in the end. Either way, only you will have any kind of idea of how your parent's will react. Some parents will fold because you call their bluff. Some parents will go off the deep end. Some will be mad and eventually see reason. Whatever the case, I'd make sure you have some/all of your ducks in a row before you commit to that action because theres very likely no going back. Last, act. When the time/situation is appropriate, act. Take your life and very importantly, your emotions, into your own hands. There's no need to rush this though. Often times, I feel that being aware of what's going on, and being able to separate the wheat from the chaff are tools that help you cope with a crappy situation until you're in a better position to act. But I encourage you to act. You are not a puppet for your parents to control your whole life. Final thoughts I don't want this to come off as a doom and gloom type post or something that gives you yet another thing to worry about. I just want to you to be aware of this phenomenon if you weren't already, and now that you know, you can do something about it. I also don't want to give the impression that every asian parent out there is bad, mean, and/or unreasonable. I have a very good relationship with my parents now but that was the product of a lot of tears, arguments, frustrations, silent periods, and more -- both with myself and them, alongside my siblings and them. At the end of the day, despite their failings as parents, I know they really and truly care about their children -- it might not manifest in the most positive ways all the time, but I know they are trying. Ultimately, I just want to reiterate that everyone's situation is different. If your parents really aren't that bad about it, don't make mountains out of molehills -- even great parents aren't perfect and aren't always aware of what they're doing or how it'll affect their children. On the flip side, if it really is that bad, don't be afraid to see things as they are. Don't shy away from the truth -- that's all I can really encourage you to do. I'm sorry if any of this is too preachy or overly opinionated -- I'm definitely interested in what people think and have to say.
Filial Piety and Life Insurance
Make sure your Asian Parents took out Life Insurance on YOU. If by the of chance you're not around, who will take care of them in old age?
I’m a strong opponent of the Death Penalty, but I will make an exception in cases like THIS.
Your Journey Towards Freedom Begins Today
After you’ve turned 18, you can start living your life on your own terms as long as you take responsibility for your own actions, right? For some young adults, this freedom does not exist due to being trapped, either financially and/or psychologically, into a life path determined by their parents. These individuals usually have their college tuition paid for but have little/no say in major decisions in their life including where they attend college, what field they study, what sort of work they find after college, and even whom they marry. For a small minority of young adults in this situation, the parents use psychological or even physical threats to force them into following the decisions they’ve already made for them. But for the vast majority, the very notion of a path different from what their parents have preached and planned well before their 18th birthday never managed to cross their minds.
Although the title of this site is “Troubleshooting Asian Parents”, these principles do not apply exclusively to Asian families. (Every time I mention “Asian Parents” I’m referring to about authoritarian parents who continue to dictate their children’s lives well into adulthood even though this stereotype isn’t 100% representative of all Asian Parents, nor is it only exclusively found among Asians.) Being Chinese American myself, I’ve witnessed countless fellow peers raised the way I’ve described in the previous paragraph. And when we confide with our Western friends in the many dilemmas imposed on us by our families well into adulthood, we’re frequently met with statements like “you’re age X and you still listen to your parents?” or “you’re already an adult, just do whatever you want with your life regardless of your parents’ wishes.” Although we can theoretically just get up and go do whatever we want one day, it’s not as simple as that.
To be continued here...