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Mei-nyan but no Lili?!!!
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No Lili in the final chapter?! Really?
Mei-nyan but no Lili?!!!
i finished reading and watching Akatsuki no Yona / Yona of the Dawn. and it's great! but i hate the ending 😡
wdym my newfound found family is breaking up?! and wdym Yona is queen after everything she's been thru?! they don't deserve her!
and while i agree their dragon powers are burdensome at times (being targeted while traveling and enjoying your life), i still think it's cool? and now without that, they're less cool? their relationship less fraught?
i mean, think abt it. four (non-blood related) brothers, their dearest elder sister, their (adoptive) mother (aka Yoon), and their blood-crazed dog (Hak lol)
anywayyy, pabayaan mo na nga. i'll just let it be and write my own happier versions!
btw, what i wanted was for the Happy Hungry Bunch to get together again and travel the world again. i'm sure Kouka's continent isn't the only place in their world. they can go overseas! they can establish their own group!
idk, her becoming queen was smt i am super against. as someone who was also betrayed by a person dear to me, there is no way i am going back to the places that person and i shared and made memories in
maybe she could have said goodbye to the castle and to the ppl there. but that's it. she has a new life. w people dear to her. why can't she make a home elsewhere? why does she need to be responsible, to prove her worth, to make herself useful, to the persons who didn't believe in her?
yeah, i get that she wanted to protect the ppl she cared abt who were also Kouka citizens but then, why does she need to bear that burden?
idk, i just disagree w it. after coming to the palace, everything just went to shit and i noticed this pattern w other manga too. Attack on Titan, Firefly Wedding, it's like... i get why, as a writer, i have to think abt the ending as soon as (or even before) i begin writing it. bec this is just ass
nobody needs to prove their worth to the ppl who betrayed them, who hurt them, who left them behind, or to those who, without ever bothering to know them, did the same
idk, it's like, female characters aren't allowed to say fuck you, to be mad, to break. no. we gotta forgive. but fuck that. hell no. hell to the no
anyway. Hak is handsome and awesome. and all the dragon warriors, Jae-ha, Ki-ka, Shinha, Zeno, and Yoon, ofc. and Yona is badass
it's just too bad the story went like that. ugh
i still enjoyed it tho :>
and while i agree their dragon powers are burdensome at times (being targeted while traveling and enjoying your life), i still think it's cool? and now without that, they're less cool? their relationship less fraught?
The dragon warriors were slaves. It was not just "burdensome" it was a cruelty. Even just letting Zeno´s immortality was pure torture.
It rightfully ended. The former dragon warriors are finally living their own lives - as they deserve!
I believe Kouka deserves Yona very much. You simply can't find another country that worships her as much as they do just for her existing.
Have you seen any other fictional universe where even the Gods band together to "punish" those who have "wronged" her?
Oh my, how did she get wronged?
Her cousin whom she wanted to marry killed her father and chased her out of the castle. On her birthday, nonetheless!
How cruel, why did he do that?
Her father, the king, was 6 months short of ruining the entire fucking kingdom, and well he killed her cousin's father.
B-B-But her father was a kind king!
Indeed he was so kind that the children and women were dying, displaced, trafficked, exploited. They starved, they turned to drugs, ministers were conspiring under his nose and the country was on a two weeks notice for a wide scale civil war.
Oh, but Yona being betrayed is the biggest tragedy ever! The poor sixteen year old princess who was chased out with nothing but the clothes on her back and her OP plot armor bodyguard.
Oh, God forbid she wants to curse her cousin, God forbid she gets mad at her cousin cause she's a girl. *eyeroll*
There is a time, place, and particular situations for everything. In this particular story, in that particular situation Yona doesn't get to cry and curse, oh woe!
When your father screws over your home, and you are ignorant enough to let it happen and then you & father get kicked out and your brother is now fixing it, you say thank you.
Once you learn and start contributing to the home, then too you say- thank you. Let's get along and not make the same mistakes our father did.
It took a while, but we finally got there in the gaiden. And that's how it should be.
Yona is justified to feel betrayed, but it has to be very clear that the one who truly betrayed her was not Su-won or anyone else, but her own kind father.
He reneged on his duties of being a responsible father to his daughter and king to his heir.
Oh, but Su-won could have taught her.
Why? Why should he, especially when the country is in the middle of a crisis. Her own father somehow never felt obligated to train his successor but somehow Su-won is the designated witch on trial?
Oh, before I forget, there are four dragon incarnations who would applaud her just for breathing. Bound to her by a blood contract, generation after generation. They can't betray her, they need to absolutely serve her, they must always protect her.
What if they don't want to?
They will want to. They will absolutely want to. They do not have any choice in the matter whatsoever.
Oh, how sweet. It's a found family. They will always protect her no matter what. The most beautiful thing ever.
This is just proof that as long as something is put in a flowery narrative even the most blood curdling situations can be perceived by many as "sweet and homely"
It's unbelievable how many people don't recognize the absolute cruelty that the dragon warriors were subjected to. Makes me want to throw up.
Akatsuki no yona
My hope for Nene
Idk where, but I read that Nene was thankful? To Hak after finding out that he was the who saved her daughter.
BUT
Hear me out
I also want Nene to find out that The King himself went with full force to attack Sei to help her daughter. That was what caused the spectacle. And I am sure joongi bragged about it in some letter or something to Nene of how important their daughter is to the king. Lol
Imagine that. I am sure everyone must have heard about this incident in the kingdom. I would HATE if Nene doesn't know.
Better yet, if Lili defends Soowon in front of Nene. Or like ayura and tetra yap about it in front of Nene.
Oh the possibilities for the drama
Please something happen
That could have been even a good narrative point, because Nene would hardly have read, what her husband has written her. If she really wished to stay way 200 steps, she was still very mad at him.
So there is even a chance she is unaware. Yes, Lily has to take Soo Won´s side. Wonderful!
Now all we need is for it to appear in actual manga pages...If I need to look pissed off for someone all I need to do is remember the narrative injustice of this manga
Gaiden last chapter 4
Very sad. Maybe I should really start writing fanfiction again, as there are so many beautiful ways, how you could resolve all this without great drama.
I still cannot comprehend, why she did not try to resolve the holes. Would be funny, if all the issues would have been magically resolved in chapter 4.
I really wonder, if we do not get some spin-offs as there is so much unresolved, that you could write a whole other series with it.
Is it already out?
Wooohooo having so much fun reading akayona, we're in the return to the castle arc in my reread now
So Su-won stated in earlier chapters that Yong-hi fell ill at 36 and died at 39, and she mentions having been sick for two years before King Il is crowned and Kashi is killed (when Su-won is about 9), so there is actually a canonical age of her death that Yu-hon died when he was 9, and Yong-hi died a year or so later when he was 10. (That being said, not changing it for my fics because I do kind of like his change in hairstyle to emulate a style she wore close to her death corresponding with her death, and I do think it's wild that Su-won would've been able to conceal her death for like a decade in canon.)
The conflict between Il and Yu-hon is indeed tragic... They both fucked up in big ways, and just sitting down and talking with one another could've solved most of their problems (but that's the tragedy of it lol). Yu-hon was too extreme and impulsive in his decisions, while Il was always too quiet and timid and jumped to conclusions about those around him. It's clear that Yu-hon deeply cared for Yong-hi, Su-won, and Il, but neither Yong-hi nor Il ever seem to try and talk with him and make him understand the harm of his actions (which, you can argue you shouldn't need to tell someone "hey don't burn all the priests" and "don't assassinate your brother's wife" but tbh after this reread I am very convinced Yu-hon only owned two braincells, Su-won certainly did not inherit his smarts from him). Meanwhile, Il had a lot of pent of jealously and fear of his brother, so he made him out to be some demon in his head and didn't realize the extent to which he cared for him, and he acted accordingly (though I do think his treatment of Su-won is a bit inexcusable. King Il why do you have beef with a three year old, seriously??).
Someone mentioned that King Il should be examined as someone facing religious persecution and... Well I'm gonna unpack my thoughts on that. What Yu-hon disliked seemed to be the integration of the religion into politics, and he only really acted against the priests when they specifically did something he viewed as a direct threat to his wife and her clan. He explicitly told them not to do something, and then they did it. Did he go way too far in killing every priest in the castle? Oh absolutely. It didn't justify their deaths. But it was noted that the people of Kouka were actually happy about having the priests removed from power, and Il and Joo-nam and everyone else were still allowed to practice their personal faith afterwards (i.e., it's not like the religion was banned across the nation, nor did Yu-hon seem to push for that either). They were just removed from power. So I don't think "this religion is no longer has as strong an influence on political policy" counts as persecution (if anything, removing religion from politics creates more religious freedom as it encourages more pluralism and tolerance of multiple faiths within a county), the priests were killed because of their actions and the perceived threat in them instead of because of their faith, and Yu-hon is allowed to dislike religion and choose not to personally practice it if he doesn't want. I do think it's interesting in that King Il's actions make complete sense (except for being mean to a toddler) for his circumstances, and faith definitely played a huge part, but there were other contributing factors that I think played a more important role in the conflict.
Anyway those were just some random thoughts as I've been reading through this arc. Fun time!
Is it weird to this day I still have doubts on whether Yu- hon did indeed kill Kashi?
Like the whole thing was convoluted, and rather than hard facts or evidence to me it seemed like Yu hon ended up being the criminal based on everyone's personal feelings.
Il never provided concrete proof. Yon-hi's determination was also an assumption and Yu-hon denied it. Yona asking Hyoo ri is also an assumption that he neither denies nor confirms. Did he really do it on Yu-hon's orders? Did he do it on his own?
It's a lot of implied-implied that is not based on anything concrete and just a lot of feelings.
More thoughts from my reread but this moment always struck me because. Su-won missed a relatively easy shot on horseback in chapter 1, but he can hit this wild shot, severing a thin rope from who knows how far away? And he is not only confident he can do it, he also shows in the next moment that such confidence is not unfounded. And like... The fact of the matter is Joon-gi didn't try to make the shot and Su-won didn't let him try, and Joo-doh thinks the shot is impossible, so it implies Su-won is more skilled in archery than either of them.
Su-won is so fascinating in that he's a hyper-competent individual but we rarely see him put such skills on display. I think this is literally the only time other than chapter 1 we see him use a bow, and he's somehow probably one of the more skilled characters we know with one. It's fascinating how he makes himself seem more harmless/approachable by constantly downplaying his own skills
I've always thought him missing the target in chap 1 was purely an act...as he would not want to show his true talents in front of Il during that time...
Yeah it's fascinating that he's willing to downplay in order to let others shine (example: how he elevated guentae's reputation to boost up the earth tribe). But it also makes me sad that we couldn't get his fighting skills been explicitly used in the wars....it's really a shame....
As is, he overshadows Yona. Imagine overshadowing Hak as well in his only personality trait.
By then the manga should just change its name.
I actually do think it's fitting that Su-Won abdicated and gave the throne to Yona while promising to support and advise her, in the sense that that is basically what Yu-Hon had once said he would do for Il, and that is what ultimately Su-Won had admired his father for.
That said, by Su-Won abdicating and viewing himself as an usurper, that's also him acknowledging his father's wrongs and that Yu-Hon did not have a right to the throne. I wish that we'd seen this talked about in the conversation. How he viewed Yu-Hon. But it wasn't discussed.
Sorry, to disappoint you, but as the eldest son, Yu hon had every right to the throne. Merely Yona´s vain godhood changed this. Apart from simple legitimacy, Yu hon was also more competent as a ruler, as he was trained to be the next king.
He did... but lost it because Junam was mad with him for killing the priests iirc.
Junam was so afk... how can you let your own son start genocides under your very nose??
Actually no, he lost it due to Yona being the reincarnation of a god.
Maybe you should reread the Xing part, where his father was more than happy about his son killing people.
Was it really said that Junam was happy about Yu-Hon throwing pow heads outside castle gates or whatever war crimes he committed in Xing again? I don't recall this.
You mean the fact, that he killed even women and children, was unknown to the king of the country, when even a simple maid knew everything about it?
This is right. People speculate that Yu-hon lost it because he killed the priests, but the real reason is because Il told Junam of Yona's Godhood.
Today I do think, that it was actually the dragon warriors that gave Soo Won this impression.
Soo Won still hated King Il, when he came to help them. He told this to Hak and I doubt, that Soo Won suddenly forgave him for everything.
Therefore I believe...it was most likely the opinions and thoughts of the dragon warriors that impressed him.
Additionally, people he cared for, tended to follow Yona or rather chose her over him. Especially General Geuntae und Lily might have hurt him.
I mean Junam was enraged when Yu-Hon killed the priests according to Yon-hi's flashback, but the people of Kouka were still too enamored with Yu-Hon to care, and said it the genocide was 'necessary'.
Especially General Geuntae und Lily might have hurt him
Yeah definitely them.
Were the people enamored? If Kouka should lose to an enemy nation, than the consequences would be a catastrophe. So many people could lose their life, their possessions and even if rape does not appear in that work, it would have normally happened in that context.
Yu hon therefore became their guardian deity.
It also demonstrated the hypocrisy of King Junam, who encouraged Yu hon´s deeds under his rule against enemy nations. But he was also an old man, therefore he valued the priests as mediators between the gods. King Junam´s belief in the gods appeared to have been pretty strong.
Il tells Yu-hon that "their father also understood". So I don't think it was the dragon warriors that gave Su-won that impression. He already received a first account from Kye-sook.
Also in a previous chapter Kashi also leaves it vague. Neither confirming nor denying that Yu-hon lost his position as heir due to the fact that Yona was Hiryuu's reincarnation.
The dragon warriors and with the people around him starting to gravitate towards Yona, with Su-won's perceptiveness how could he not tell?
As they say a loyal subject can't serve two masters. I still dislike that not one person was fully on his side. Like seriously?
I Can't help it. I guess I'm still salty.
If only she were this indignant about someone else.
I wonder, if we will something surprising the next couple of chapters. Honestly, I doubt, that it will end with chapter 4. There is so much left open.
4 chapters certainly don't feel like it's enough unless she's going for random time points. Next chapter the likely focus seems to be on Hak and I think the awa characters. Not sure if we will see Su-won and Lili.
That leaves us with the last chapter - Is it going to be a wedding? If it is then Su-won Lili I'm not sure we'll see it happening. Kusa might just leave it vaguely.
She has done it before...
the way she hangs onto Su-Won’s every word… feels tonally absurd
Where did all the resentment go? She looks like a curious newborn. Mixed feelings about this. I know they need to work together but this felt too casual and friendly personally. Idk. Moongazing and sharing tea like they’re on a picnic… huh?? What is this jarring reset to the pre-coup friendship?
Compare it to the way she treated him in Xing, Awa, or even the castle arc. The distant, cool professionalism is gone. They’re back to being friends? huh??
I know Su-Won told her that he realized he wasn’t able to let Yona and Hak go, but even then, idk..
Well…it’s pretty clear that the lesson for each of them was that hatred and resentment only leads to more hatred and resentment, that’s the main lesson both Soo-won and Yona had to learn during their journeys, each in different ways.
Soo-won understood that hatred and revenge only lead to misery and in the end his early views were changed by Yona’s and Hak’s kindness and inner strength. Yona learned that not all is black and white, that Soo-won did what he did for a thousand different reasons, that he regretted it and still loved them both.
After reading the diary she understood Soo-won’s reasons and logic, then by seeing to what lengths he went for her and Hak she witnessed that none of the love Soo-won showed her and Hak was ever fake, that’s the thing she wanted to know the most. Their bond was never truly broken by what happened, it showed before and after the mausoleum event.
For god’s sake he died for her and Hak to come back and lost an arm in process, I think that can count as a hellishly selfless act of love from his part, enough to touch her heart.
There’s no in between here, she could either stick to hatred and loose him forever (and let it be an eternal wound in her heart), or forgive him and build a new relationship with him from scratch (even though it’s not easy). So instead of going for constant coldness and negativity Yona chose to forgive him and move on with her life, and let him move on with his.
There is no logic in her wanting him as her counselor and at the same time continuing to resent him, why would she willingly add poison to her life?
It’s a story about love outplaying hatred after all.
You bring up a good point, and I can see that both are getting to understand each other.
Still, I guess even if there’s no resentment, I think there should be some distance. Hesitance. Personally I don’t really know what to think when Su-Won and Yona are chatting over tea and moongazing like it’s the good old days when we still have no idea what Su-Won did to Il’s body, how he carried out the coup, what really happened to Kashi, etc.
It just adds to all the answers in the story that we never received. He cares for them, of course, but if so he should answer all the questions they have. I’m honestly surprised Yona never thought to ask him. Sure, they should move on but that includes confronting the past and making peace with it. Maybe we’ll get some of that before the Gaiden’s end. They all do seem too preoccupied with the kingdom for now.
Idk, it could also be that I’m just not used to seeing them speak so normally to each other 🤷♀️
Still, I guess even if there’s no resentment, I think there should be some distance.
But isn´t there still some distance? It did read for me like a "first time" that they talk like that to each other. Soo Won is clearly more distant to her than the other people.
I mean, she asked, why he had always a book with him. This means very likely that they hardly exchanged personal information with each other.
Additionally it seems, as if Soo Won was pretty happy, that Geuntae had visited him.
And of course Yona´s new position. She has now the same position he had, so of course she compares herself to her older cousin. How can she become better? ect...
And she felt lonely without Hak, and Soo Won likely knew this as well, therefore he treated her especially kind.
I’m honestly surprised Yona never thought to ask him.
Really? Hak got to know about the murder of Yu hon from Ju do, not Yona. They have both hardly talked to each other. And Soo Won and Yona are both people, who can suppress a good part of their feelings.
Sure, they should move on but that includes confronting the past and making peace with it.
I think without certain outer events, there is hardly any hope, that they will talk about these topics again. Maybe after some time.
There is a distance and if we are talking about resentment, Su-won is also entitled to his own resentment. Not just Yona.
Why must it be implied that he forgives and forgets and Yona doesn't have to?
The idea that both are just trying to move on from their parents' generation and find peace in the present is the situation I would want.
Yona was wronged. Its time for her to move on. Su-won was also wronged. He has moved on/moving on.
Also let us not forget this story till the end has not put out in black and white that Yona has made mistakes - terrible mistakes - the narrative has glossed over that entirely and now making it seems as if everything is so goody goody.
I just can't help but want Su-won to leave that bloody place.
About Soo Won´s love life
It really does seem, as if he has fallen in love with Lily. It also appears, as if this new general of the Earth Tribe could be a potential "love rival", above else, since it could be, that Lily had "caught his eye" previously.
Soo Won is unable to fight and that guy is absolutely capable. He was the second in command. Geuntae was sly to just push the task to him. (Poor Yona had to handle Lily and that guy quarreling.)
It looked a little like the conversations between Lily and Soo Won. For Jon Gi he would be a beneficial candidate for a husband for Lily. The Earth Tribe and the Water Tribe combined.
Binding Lily to Soo Won is not as great as it used to be, when he was king.
This could be interesting.
Because it could bring back the topics of the past.
Soo Won´s father literally killed a bunch of priests out of a personal reason.
His son denied himself any and all personal attachments. After he had read the diary.
New General of the earth tribe, move out!! Find someone else...Please don't let Lili fall fo r that dude. He is sure capable and all, but at this point sensei should stop playing with our hearts.
I'd be absolutely devastated for Su won if Lili fell in love with the earth tribe general
I Can't help it. I guess I'm still salty.
If only she were this indignant about someone else.
You don't have to deny it that hard.
He's thinking about her. I just can't prove it. Kusanagi shouldn't write this if it's not what we think it is!
akatsuki no yona spoiler
Please do not tell me, that they skipped the coronation entirely.
The only information I could gather is, that the whiney baby is - in fact - a good warrior and will be likely the next general. Geuntae took his leave and Ju do silently honored him- apparently.
Lily still wears her nice dress, while she accompanied her father. I think there is a meeting of the five tribes.
Yona somehow acquired many blue spots and was somehow beaten up. Meinyan and her prince, whose name I have forgotten again, act as Yona´s bodyguards.
Zeno talked to a Yona, who was in bed.
There is a part with Soo Won, who wears a fancy robe and he hands her a cup of tea. It could be the diary on his lap, but I am not sure.
Hak seemed to be absent for the most time of the chapter.
What? Who was beaten up? What the hell is going on?
Geun-tae and Lili are both curious about why Su-Won abdicated.
With a little luck, there might be more relevance next chapter. Is there truly no Hak? I think this would be nearly the only chapter, when he is not considered dead, that he doesn´t appear.
Did we get a new chapter?
The Southern Kai arc had so much potential... I suppose the author might be tired and burnt out after years and years, but damn, putting your work on hiatus to sort things out wouldn't have been bad.
Imagine:
You don´t seem to be aware, that the dragon warriors in and itself were slaves, brainwashed for Yona´s benefit. Personally I don´t consider this healthy.
While the compulsion existed, the whole group definitely bonded with each other with the exception of Zeno and the rushed ending. Yoon and Hak, despite not being magically bound, still were accepted.
After so many adventures together, I think they definitely saw each other as a found family. They had agencies and individual personalities. They knew when someone was doing something wrong and point it out. Compared to the exclusive, secretive, wealthy and plotting environment Soo-Woon & co grew up in, well... I find the Happy Hungry Bunch to be a healthier group.
They are absolutely not the healthier group. Unhealthier even. The dragon warriors were bound to Yona by a contract- a divine contract they could absolutely not refuse - this contract manipulated their very feelings leaving them with absolutely no agency of their own.
Her will has to be their will. That was the contract.
Their entire world revolved around Yona and Yona alone — That is not healthy.
People have forgotten the very beginning chapters where we saw the struggles of the dragons that had the misfortune of being born in an era without Yona.
The former Green dragon dreamt of Hiryuu coming to pick him up like a prince coming for a princess in a fairytale, the former blue dragons lived in pure agony which he deemed nothing more than a curse, they were expendables within their own tribe no matter how loved or hated or feared they were serving only one purpose through their lifetime and when a new one came along their lives lost meaning, discarded to rot away in some corner.
That is the true nature of this divine contract. It keeps them waiting like dogs shackled for eternity.
People who followed Su-won did so of their own free will. There is also no contract or divine will preventing them from leaving or changing their mind. - there is a difference.
The ending was the most realistic. With no more lingering attachment to Yona they have their own lives that they now want to live. That is the healthiest thing that has happened for them from chapter 1. Leaving Yona. Discovering their own dreams, lives, likes, dislikes and emotions, that are not linked to Yona.
Way to go Kija!! It's always a great moment when the fussy little paladin drops a lie. One thing I've liked about this arc is Kija and Jae-ha being quite clever in navigating the opaque palace bullshit. They bait Soo-Won out for a military exercise, then Kija lies and says nah, Yona has to be here for us to use our full powers.
Type of thing that could have been utilized so many points in the series, but it was quick thinking and I like it out of Kija because he normally has trouble with stuff like this. It's quite cool how much all four of the Dragons have changed. Kija's more clever, Jae-ha has been more earnest, Shiina more sociable, and Zeno more driven as of late.
Isn´t it nice, how Kija and co play into Soo Won´s hands? That guy didn´t want them to begin with. In fact, Soo Won was definitely the person, that was able to emphasize with Zeno´s and the dragon warriors fate more than Yona.
(Zeno had an aim for centuries, by the way).
I mean this "lie" of his would have been be cool and useful if it had put Soo-Won at bay or had harmed his position as the commander. But Soo-Won didn't give a damn to his whims and instantly went on, "Nah, you guys can chill or whatever, my capable soldiers are enough for me", which not only raised the morale of his soldiers that their king has so much faith in their worth but it also made Kija look like a complete idiot for crying out loud lol. It's the similar situation during the sei arc where Kija tried to boast over Yona’s heritage as Hiryuu and that she's the destined ruler, not Soo-Won and Soo-Won immediately shut him of by saying he's no need for the dragon warriors. It's amusing and the same time very bold of him
Indeed. Soo Won even played Kija, when he wished to see Zeno´s powers at the tournament. He pretended like the dragon warriors were nothing to worry over and Kija flipped out completely.
I would say, it does hurt him, if somebody dismisses, what he does for the country so openly, but Soo Won does not desire the dragon warriors. He hates everything related to Hiryuu.
Especially in the last arc, where you get the impression, that he literally emphasizes with Zeno´s fate. Soo Won hates slavery, after all.
Yeah I agree!
And how can I forget he literally ragebait Kija while Kija was the one trying to do that to get him listen to their demand😆
Poor Kija....
Sometimes I can't begin to believe that some people don't see the absolute bullshit of this scene. Kija & co. intruded on the military exercises all on their own to begin with, no one invited them there or begged them to come.
He invited himself and then said "Oh, you know what? I can only enjoy this party if Yona tells me to."
So Su-won kindly told him "Okay? Go back out the same way you came in. Who asked?"
And this is supposed to be his clever moment? Wow! That's a very low standard of intelligence.
A bit confused here. Soo-won can’t lift his arm but in what sense?
He lifted it quite alright here. So its not paralyzed, is it. He can still use it but not lift it high up or fight with it anymore? Or how does that work? It was said it was only his shoulder wound that remained after all.
There is actually no real reason. Because as long as it was beneficial for Yona, Soo Won could use both arms. The moment he died and reawakened - suddenly - the guy is unable to lift his arm?
Maybe Soo Won just pretends it, and considers this his punishment. So it would be more a head thing than an actual medical problem.
I hope it’s at least not completely paralyzed because that would be just way too sad, I hope it just means restricted movements. But I don’t get why would there even be anything if he was using it just fine while it was cut wide open. Maybe it’s indeed a head problem. Can someone slap this boy’s brain in place again gosh…
I think, what makes me personally upset regarding Soo Won´s arm, is that he is - of course - the only one. The former dragon warriors should have "lost a leg" (Jae ha) or "an arm" (Kija) or should have been blind (Shin ha) but they are alright. Hak was also gravely hurt, but is absolutely fine now.
Only Soo Won is somehow the only, who has to pay the price - again.
Of course, because according to this story’s logic there is no worse sin than hurting Yona. Anything else is forgivable, like murdering people for 2k years aka dragon gods. I’ll probably never get over this bs
Or using literal slaves (Zeno used this word once, but it fits the dragon warriors so perfectly). The dragon warriors were Yona´s personal slaves. Even their feelings were literally manipulated. (Isn´t it interesting, that Kija still did not know, if his feelings for Yona were real or not in the last chapter). What choice did Jae ha, Shin ha, Kija and above else Zeno have than following Yona?
Neither of them was able to "betray her". The bond between Yona and the dragon warriors was one of the most fucked up things that happened in that manga.
What is even more detrimental is the high number of people that lived and died between the two appearances of Hiryuu. How many of them suffered for nothing?
And Yona just did not really address this. She did it for Zeno, but has she ever understood, what the bond was? She pretended like she was just so glorious and righteous, when this whole shit, just happened, because she was the reincarnation.
By the way, Hak of course perceived it, that the bonds between them and the dragon warriors were true and right. They followed her, because she was Yona. And if we consider that Kusanagi even told us, how delusional Hak is, then...
She pretended like she was just so glorious and righteous, when this whole shit, just happened, because she was the reincarnation.
That’s what I’m most annoyed about. Everything that has been happening to the dragon warriors, the decedents and Zeno is FULLY her doing. It doesn’t matter if she didn’t want it, it doesn’t matter if she had no choice but to do it, she was the one who allowed it to happen so she is the only one responsible for it. Because she was the only one who could’ve undone it but didn’t.
I once wrote a post saying Yona is either selfish or stupid/naive. I still think it’s the case because she either does not care that her happiness cost thousands of lives, or does not understand it. No guilt or responsibility for the lives lost is bothering her.
Everything has a price, we can see it clearly. The dragon warriors had short lives, Zeno’s was unending. Soo-won and Hak aka sword and shield had to go to the afterlife to get Yona back.
Meanwhile Yona never pays any price neither for her using the powers of the dragon warriors, neither for having the cycle on her hands. Her happiness is vital for her and she kept refusing to sacrifice anything that would mean losing it, even if it meant bringing innocent people into trouble for it.
Fine, because in the end no one paid any of the supposed prices. Yona got back as if nothing happened, the dragons magically got human body parts, Zeno became immortal, Hak’s body waltzed back from the heavens.
Soo-won meanwhile was the only one who got the incurable bite that left him a cripple. Funnily out of all of these people above, this guy never had ANY superpowers, his blood only gave him pain. So yes, basically the author is saying that betraying Yona cannot be forgiven, so he should stay crippled.
This sense of injustice is driving me insane you cannot imagine
I really do not want to sound childish, but it frustrates me so much. Yes, it was Hiryuu´s fault, that this whole shit happened.
Yes, it was likely that Hiryuu had been just reborn again, even if Yona had not wished for it. Up until this time, we do not know, if it had even been able for Hiryuu to become a god again or if he had to stay a human being.
If he had stayed a human being, he would have been reborn and the dragon gods would have made other dragon warriors.
STILL Yona did not care, if people suffer as long she could keep her perfect happy princess dream of a happy end. You are right. She is selfish. Unbelievable selfish (This is the reason, why Soo Won most likely didn´t fall in love with her. He hates selfish people)
It was so apparent. The same person used slaves and had the guts to tell to Zeno of all people, that they were just like this, when Zeno told her, that Soo Won/Keishuk would us the dragon warriors. Easy for her to say, she has never paid the price for any shit.
As long as she was happy and content, Yona does not care so much for the pain of others. She would have rather lived in darkness than to give up anything of the things she desired. Just that this would have meant the death of countless people. I wonder if this was, what Iksoo had talked about. That if she lived like she desired, than this would lead to a catastrophe.
If not for Soo Won, who found a way for Hak and Yona to flee that situation....
This is the reason, why Soo Won most likely didn´t fall in love with her. He hates selfish people
I think its definitely one of the reasons
Easy for her to say, she has never paid the price for any shit.
Yep
As long as she was happy and content, Yona does not care so much for the pain of others. She would have rather lived in darkness than to give up anything of the things she desired. Just that this would have meant the death of countless people. I wonder if this was, what Iksoo had talked about. That if she lived like she desired, than this would lead to a catastrophe.
Yes, yes, yes. I was so shocked when she said that. “It should be fine, right? Even if it’s hell?”. Basically it means as long as I get what I want, it should be ok, yeah?
Bro the world will be hell only because of you being there, do you really think a whole country wants to live in hell for you to be happy? She’s horrible honestly, the way Yona behaved in that arc was insane to me. Idk maybe it’s me who’s too moralistic but too bad a supposedly “good” heroine is not.
And no one even notices.
If not for Soo Won, who found a way for Hak and Yona to flee that situation
Exactly, he was the one who turned the tables there. If it wasn’t for him, Yona and Hak would be done for.
Maybe I’m being judgemental but I struggle to understand what is Yona’s development about. She can do kicks and shoot arrows now, cool. She is less oblivious to what’s happening around her. Cool too. She finally accepted the one responsibility she had since birth - being a princess. Incredible, even though it’s literally her duty. But nonetheless she is still selfish, still naive, and still dependent on her defenders. Her development was supposed to be about letting go of these qualities but none of them really went away did they.
Yes, yes, yes. I was so shocked when she said that. “It should be fine, right? Even if it’s hell?”. Basically it means as long as I get what I want, it should be ok, yeah? Bro the world will be hell only because of you being there, do you really think a whole country wants to live in hell for you to be happy? She’s horrible honestly, the way Yona behaved in that arc was insane to me. Idk maybe it’s me who’s too moralistic but too bad a supposedly “good” heroine is not. And no one even notices.
And nobody notices it. Safe for a few people. But yes, I was so shocked, when she said this.
But it is consistent with her character. She was selfish at the beginning and she is selfish at the end. (She does have good qualities, but selfless she is definitely not). At the beginning King Il asked, if she did not want for Soo Won to be happy and Yona wondered, if she was not supposed to be happy. Being together with Soo Won was her happiness, after all. If he was unhappy...well. King Il for all his faults did say something true her. Soo Won would have become very unhappy and he would have died, because he still had the Crimson Illness.
This manga is crazy. We have so many people, who would sacrifice themselves: Soo Won above else, Zeno, Lily, the other three former dragon warriors, Hak (heck even Hak would have given his life to protect other people).
But Yona - the titular heroine? No, other people have to live in darkness. If they celebrate her for this shit, I think I am going insane. (Most likely even Hiryuu came down for a selfish reason)
The thing with Chagol - when Yona was supposed to sacrifice herself for other people - it was clear, that this was a trap. Yona would never sacrifice herself for other people.
This is the clearest difference between her and Lily, who does fit Soo Won more. Lily would have given her life even for complete strangers, for her friend.
Maybe I’m being judgemental but I struggle to understand what is Yona’s development about. She can do kicks and shoot arrows now, cool. She is less oblivious to what’s happening around her. Cool too. She finally accepted the one responsibility she had since birth - being a princess. Incredible, even though it’s literally her duty. But nonetheless she is still selfish, still naive, and still dependent on her defenders. Her development was supposed to be about letting go of these qualities but none of them really went away did they.
I would expect this from such a "compassionate girl", after all. Do you wanna know, why she repeats Soo Won´s mother?
Because Yon hi had sympathy for Yona...No shit, Yona was so touched, when Yon hi thought about her. That is why, she adopted - likely- her will.
And yes, she is still selfish, still naive and still dependant. Maybe the dragon gods knew this from the beginning. Maybe these were Hiryuu´s qualities, as well. We barely know Hiryuu, after all.
Well what can I say. That’s exactly why I was utterly traumatized by ch 276 where after all of this Yona gets glory and Soo-won got shame. Not openly but that was still the overall feeling I got from that chapter.
I wish I knew Japanese and could talk to Kusanagi, what is her opinion on all of this. Does she think the Yona she created is righteousness itself? Because I was disgusted by her mindset in the final arc, however it’s never addressed and everyone keeps thinking she’s perfection itself. As if it doesn’t matter that she let the cycle happen and cared only about herself there. And that she was pathetically useless in the battle with the gods, she literally failed to do anything.
While poor Soo-won absolutely couldn’t go unpunished for kicking her out and all the good things he did do not count. Him and Zeno were the ones who made the most impact in the final battle.
It’s so unfair.
Does she think the Yona she created is righteousness itself?
Well, I doubt, that she considers Yona the most selfless person on this earth.
Ik soo was literally crying, when he saw the effect of Yona´s life.
I laugh how much you have to "take the gods literally".
"If you live on, the land of Kouka Kingdom will tremble and will be swept into the tempest"
Isn´t it bizarre that Ik soo connected it to Yona and not Zeno?
But Yona would have allowed the " scorching wave of bloodshed".
Even the dragon warriors, who are manipulated to love Yona are horrified at first.
Yon does not look so glorious in that picture, doesn´t she?
I think, Kusanagi should have let Yona - at least - worry for the wellbeing of other people, instead of completely seflishly assume, that the world was alright with her sacrificing all those lives, she did not know...
Yes I am also more inclined to think that Kusanagi knows what kind of person she wrote. After all, the people who’ve been saying that Hak’s way of thinking is delusional and wouldn’t lead to any good - were correct. So she did confirm that Hak is far from right for thinking the way he does. I guess it is the same for Yona.
But then why did she give Yona such an end. A person like her has no business sitting on the throne…and selfishness as grave as hers…should it really be just dismissed like that?
Soo-won’s punishment doesn’t sit well with me either. He can be guilty all he wants but leaving him injured was far from necessary.
But oh well. What’s done is done, now we can only speculate what will happen next. For me the most important thing is that Soo-won is happy in the very end, and the extra did give me hope.
Only my personal opinion, but what I would hate for Soo-won’s end is him being happy serving Kouka as a counselor alongside Yona and Hak (just like he dreamed). I would hate that. First of all Yona and Hak, despite still caring deeply for him, will never fully forgive him. They will never be friends like before. Secondly, Soo-won being happy with serving the kingdom wouldn’t fully convince me either, I don’t think that it is what could bring him happiness. I would really hate for Soo-won to turn into a second Keishuk, he is not like that.
I wish he could find something selfish to be happy about, unrelated to Yona, Hak or the kingdom. Something fully of his own.
I in fact even struggle to imagine Soo-won as Yona’s counselor. The job supposes that he will be with Yona and Hak a good part of everyday life, and for now they’re still not on good terms. How will that even work I wonder, I hope we could be shown the dynamic they’ll have.
But then why did she give Yona such an end. A person like her has no business sitting on the throne…and selfishness as grave as hers…should it really be just dismissed like that?
At least, we know, that Yona won´t get sick worrying for other people.^^ Well, she does have some good qualities, even though I consider Soo Won a better candidate. However, Soo Won is the type of person that "gives too much and dies, unfortunately."
By the way, I doubt there will be a 13. Queen/or King, as this is an unlucky number.
Still, I consider it unbelievable, that Yona becomes Queen Regnant at the ripe age of 16.
Soo-won’s punishment doesn’t sit well with me either. He can be guilty all he wants but leaving him injured was far from necessary.
If I am not completely wrong in my assumptions, there will be people, who value him highly. And this is - for me - the most important. If Soo Won will be valued as a king? I am not sure.
But oh well. What’s done is done, now we can only speculate what will happen next. For me the most important thing is that Soo-won is happy in the very end, and the extra did give me hope.
Indeed.
Only my personal opinion, but what I would hate for Soo-won’s end is him being happy serving Kouka as a counselor alongside Yona and Hak (just like he dreamed). I would hate that. First of all Yona and Hak, despite still caring deeply for him, will never fully forgive him. They will never be friends like before. Secondly, Soo-won being happy with serving the kingdom wouldn’t fully convince me either, I don’t think that it is what could bring him happiness. I would really hate for Soo-won to turn into a second Keishuk, he is not like that.
Oh, Soo Won will be the best counselor, one can be. He will "bite" and "drive Yona to the edge", if she should really endanger the country.
Soo Won is the kind of person, that just cannot be 100 % selfish. He always, always is thinking of others. He has always felt for other people. So the chances of him just going away are basically non-existant.
Yes, it might be, that Hak and Yona won´t fully understand him, or forgive him, but there will be people for him as well. The borders aren´t so clear-cut anymore. And Kouka is like a child that Yona, Soo Won and Hak have to take care of with others.
Well, as a counselor Soo Won has more freedom to go out and do stuff and this fits him actually better than being bound to the throne. I honestly believe, that Soo Won has never wished to be king in the first place. It has been only pain for him.
Besides Soo Won is not Keishuk and will never be. But Yona might have to fight a few battles, as Soo Won´s fraction surely has an overweight. Ju do, Keishuk and Soo Won share some values. I honestly would want to see it, what they plan together.
I wish he could find something selfish to be happy about, unrelated to Yona, Hak or the kingdom. Something fully of his own.
I think, he might find people he loves, different from Yona and Hak and in and itself has Soo Won´s way always been his own, even though he might call it "his father´s". Soo Won believed more than any other person in the power of human beings and his wish has been fullfilled. His way meant freedom from the people´s self-inflicted immaturity.
Surely, he needs to learn to play and be happy just for the moment, without purpose or intention. Just laughing with the people he likes. Soo Won needs no purpose, he needs - in my opinion- the absence of it from time to time.
in fact even struggle to imagine Soo-won as Yona’s counselor. The job supposes that he will be with Yona and Hak a good part of everyday life, and for now they’re still not on good terms. How will that even work I wonder, I hope we could be shown the dynamic they’ll have.
Oh, yes I ´d wish to be shown this too.
Well, she does have some good qualities, even though I consider Soo Won a better candidate. However, Soo Won is the type of person that "gives too much and dies, unfortunately."
Yeah honestly both have their bad moments. Yona will always prioritize herself and the people she loves over the country, while Soo-won didn’t even let himself live because he dedicated all of himself to the country.
I don’t think Yona will be a really bad queen if we’re honest. Though imo she is still very much at the “in progress” stage. There is potential but she’s not a ready leader yet, I hope it’s going to be touched later on. After all it’s exactly why Soo-won, Keishuk and Ju-doh are sticking around. She’s incapable of leading without them for now.
By the way, I doubt there will be a 13. Queen/or King, as this is an unlucky number.
I dont think it works that way, Yona’s child will for sure inherit the throne.
If I am not completely wrong in my assumptions, there will be people, who value him highly.
Yep that’s the most important point to me, we saw that Ogi and Lili do value Soo-won for being Soo-won. Not sure where Hiyori went off to but him too. Keishuk and Ju-doh I imagine will always be Soo-won’s buddies too even if it’s more complicated.
So the chances of him just going away are basically non-existant.
Yes, I also think so. I in fact think it would’ve been way more humiliating for him to just leave the royal life and go become a wanderer like Ik-soo. I can’t imagine that. Being the queen’s counselor makes him second person in power in the country (since Hak will never really be king, only consort). So yes, I think it does suit him. Though I worry how will he “find something of his own” if he’s always glued to work.
On the other hand, I do think he’ll be more free to move around now, and as he’s “not Keishuk”, I think he’ll travel and sneak out like he used to, even more than he did when king.
The fact that he’s “not Keishuk” is exactly what makes me feel that serving the country can’t be all he needs for being happy. Unlike Keishuk, Soo-won does seem to earn for emotional closeness even though he’ll never admit it aloud.
Well, as a counselor Soo Won has more freedom to go out and do stuff and this fits him actually better than being bound to the throne. I honestly believe, that Soo Won has never wished to be king in the first place. It has been only pain for him.
100%
Soo Won needs no purpose, he needs - in my opinion- the absence of it from time to time.
Yep, and I know the one and only person he was always himself with. I see her as literally his only chance to live a full happy life instead of finding it sufficient to be a pawn of Kouka.
I don’t think Yona will be a really bad queen if we’re honest. Though imo she is still very much at the “in progress” stage. There is potential but she’s not a ready leader yet, I hope it’s going to be touched later on. After all it’s exactly why Soo-won, Keishuk and Ju-doh are sticking around. She’s incapable of leading without them for now.
Well, I hope, she will never be glorious Yona, but instead always value the advice of her counselors. She will need it her whole life. Even the most perfect king is only so good - this applies to Soo Won as well.
I dont think it works that way, Yona’s child will for sure inherit the throne.
Numbers are pretty important here. Soo Won was the 11th king of the Sky Tribe and he was crowned in the 11th chapter. King Il was the 10th and Yona will be the 12th monarch.
If the child will inherit the throne, we don´t actually know at all. It is a lil bit strange, that she chose these numbers.
It is not exactly rare that numbers might play a certain role in a work of fiction.
Even the freaking days demonstrate some symmetry.
In the first chapter: There were 7 days until Yona´s birthday, when the story started. Soo Won came right at that day and told Yona, that he would stay a week.
And exactly 7 days after the sun came back, Soo Won - again, he is the determining factor - announces Yona´s coronation.
We know this, since Zeno was telling us this, that he had vanished for 7 days. (Soo Won´s declaration and Zeno´s reapparance happen on the same day).
On the same day, Soo Won determined, that Yona´s coronation would be in 4 days. (7+4 = 11, Soo Won´s number as a king). He is calling the shots, again.
We also know from Val´s comment, that there were 8 days between the reappearance of the sun and the present day in the extra chapter. This is one day later, because there are only 3 days until the coronation. Soo Won the little rascal had sent the invitations most likely even before he asked Yona. (Tae Jun is right, one time of a million times)
The announcement of Yona´s coronation and Val and Meinyan in the tavern took place on the same day. There were only 3 days until the coronation.
Yep that’s the most important point to me, we saw that Ogi and Lili do value Soo-won for being Soo-won. Not sure where Hiyori went off to but him too. Keishuk and Ju-doh I imagine will always be Soo-won’s buddies too even if it’s more complicated.
There might be even more people, even. Even the group among Ogi knew "Won" - there were more people of the backstreet, who loved and adored Soo Won.
Yes, I also think so. I in fact think it would’ve been way more humiliating for him to just leave the royal life and go become a wanderer like Ik-soo. I can’t imagine that. Being the queen’s counselor makes him second person in power in the country (since Hak will never really be king, only consort). So yes, I think it does suit him. Though I worry how will he “find something of his own” if he’s always glued to work.
Would it be humiliating for him? I don´t know, it could be. I just think, that Soo Won feels such a high responsibility towards other people, even towards Yona (Soo Won knows, how horrible is sitting on the throne it), that he would not just abandon his task.
Indeed, there might be times, at least at the beginning, Yona might have to prove , that she is really the better candidate in comparison to the previous king. Soo Won was an extraordinary good king, after all. Even if this is not the case, Soo Won might help her here.
Forgetting work...I think, he needs the help of the people above all. Tactics might be really Soo Won´s field of work.
On the other hand, I do think he’ll be more free to move around now, and as he’s “not Keishuk”, I think he’ll travel and sneak out like he used to, even more than he did when king.
Exactly, Soo Won will be able to move more freely. And freedom - for others and himself - is one point he always had aspired to acquire.
The fact that he’s “not Keishuk” is exactly what makes me feel that serving the country can’t be all he needs for being happy. Unlike Keishuk, Soo-won does seem to earn for emotional closeness even though he’ll never admit it aloud.
Keishuk needs other people as well, or at least Soo Won. Soo Won is Keishhuk´s emotional crutch, the one person, Keishuk would sacrifice his life for.
But yes, Soo Won like Meinyan is actually pretty happy, if he is among other people. His feelings for others are so strong; I agree, close emotional relationships are what this guy desperately needs.
Yep, and I know the one and only person he was always himself with. I see her as literally his only chance to live a full happy life instead of finding it sufficient to be a pawn of Kouka.
Lily is surely the one woman, who will become his most special someone. After all, One day later in the first chapter, "she already appeared". I cannot expect it, when Hak and Yona will learn, that it was Lily, Soo Won had the engagement meeting with.
Interesting theory about the numbers and I must say there could be symbolism there as well, knowing Kusanagi. It's curious that Soo-won is the 11th emperor and Yona becomes queen 11 days after the apocalypse. 7 days before Yona's birthday at the beginning and then 7 days before Soo-won tells Yona to become queen.
The only thing is that 13 is not an unlucky number in eastern cultures, not in China and not in Japan as far as I know, it's only a western thing. So I don't think it will matter, in any case someone will have to rule Kouka after Yona unless Kouka colapses under her glorious rule haha.
The unlucky number is in fact 4, so actually it's curious that Yona's coronation was announced 4 days before it. While Soo-won's happened in 3 days. The lucky number is considered 8.
Would it be humiliating for him?
I didn’t express myself correctly there. It’s not that he’d feel humiliated, the only thing Soo-won has ever felt something close to humiliation was about girls and marriage haha. But Soo-won becoming a lone wanderer and a commoner, completely leaving the country to other people would feel humiliating to his character, as if he is not that special and was completely unnecessary since the beginning. It would feel like punishment/banishment more than what’s happening now. As if Yona is good enough to make it without him. So I’m actually glad he stayed there as her counselor, I now don’t really agree with people that say he better have left the country. Nah.
Keishuk needs other people as well, or at least Soo Won.
I still can’t get used to it to be honest, I didn’t expect Keishuk to genuinely care for Soo-won since he started considering Yona as the next ruler even while Soo-won was alive. I used to think he only cared for him because Soo-won was the perfect king but the latest chapters showed that it’s not true. Even though they’re quite close I wouldn’t say Soo-won was ever truly comfortable with Keishuk. Keishuk may feel connection to Soo-won but I’m not sure if Soo-won has any for Keishuk.
I even remember some drawings, I think made by Kusanagi herself where Soo-won says what he think of the generals, when it came to Keishuk he said he doesn’t really like him. But I don’t remember if that was official.
But in any case Keishuk is for sure not the sociable, empathetic person Soo-won is, and majorly doesn’t care for other people. He seems unbothered by feelings and people, while Soo-won imo is quite miserable without that.
I cannot expect it, when Hak and Yona will learn, that it was Lily, Soo Won had the engagement meeting with.
Yesss actually they still have zero idea that Soo-won and Lili have any kind of relationship, neither of past engagements, neither of marriage brought up by the generals, neither their current official friendship. I wonder what would their reaction be as Lili is literally the only other friend Soo-won has had besides them.
The only thing is that 13 is not an unlucky number in eastern cultures, not in China and not in Japan as far as I know, it's only a western thing.
The unlucky number is in fact 4, so actually it's curious that Yona's coronation was announced 4 days before it. While Soo-won's happened in 3 days. The lucky number is considered 8.
Wow. What an interesting piece of information! Great!
But why would Kusanagi choose 4 days for Yona´s coronation?!!
I considered 12 a lucky number, since Kusanagi has some allusions to the Christian Belief as well...with the big star in the sky or Arthurian legends. So Yona´s number is much stronger than Soo Won´s.
But Soo-won becoming a lone wanderer and a commoner, completely leaving the country to other people would feel humiliating to his character, as if he is not that special and was completely unnecessary since the beginning. It would feel like punishment/banishment more than what’s happening now. As if Yona is good enough to make it without him. So I’m actually glad he stayed there as her counselor, I now don’t really agree with people that say he better have left the country. Nah.
Ah, now it becomes clearer.
I still can’t get used to it to be honest, I didn’t expect Keishuk to genuinely care for Soo-won since he started considering Yona as the next ruler even while Soo-won was alive.
Based on his education Keishuk is a pretty logical kind of guy, and since Yona had much influence and apparently a couple of features of a good monarch, he would consider her.
There is a certain scene after Shin ha´s attack on Soo Won, when Keishuk - actually - wanted to draw back the troops, but Soo Won refused at first. Keishuk still was against it, but could not really explain logically, why he was of that opinion. Soo Won then told him, that he would not survive much longer.
For me, this was the scene that sold it for me, that Keishuk genuinely cared more about Soo Won than about their common goal. Soo Won was sick, in pain and Keishuk did not want for him to work any longer. Soo Won´s wellbeing was - apparently - more important to Keishuk than Yu hon´s plan.
It is actually logical, when you consider, that Soo Won did rescue Keishuk´s life from the other followers of Yu hon. They would have torn him apart for not rescuing Yu hon. Besides young Soo Won did want to include Keishuk in his play, when they were younger.
I used to think he only cared for him because Soo-won was the perfect king but the latest chapters showed that it’s not true. Even though they’re quite close I wouldn’t say Soo-won was ever truly comfortable with Keishuk. Keishuk may feel connection to Soo-won but I’m not sure if Soo-won has any for Keishuk.
Actually, that the relationship between Keishuk and Soo Won is not that bad, can be - in retrospective - observed very early. Soo Won jokes with Keishuk in chapter 11, when he becomes king. This is rather rare. He only jokes with people he genuinely likes - like Lily, Ju do and Keishuk as well.
Keishuk respects Soo Won greatly and does not refuse his orders - Soo Won has the stronger personality - Should Soo Won however endanger himself in any way, Keishuk starts to nag at him. After the Water Tribe Arc Keishuk shouted at him, that Soo Won should have brought more people and stomped away furiously. Even in chapter 276 Keishuk lost his cool that the dragon gods did not heal Soo Won entirely.
I do believe, that Keishuk is one reason, why Soo Won felt a little less lonely after the death of both of his parents. Keishuk took partly the role of a caretaker for Soo Won, who is 7 years younger than Keishuk.
However, I know, what you most likely mean. Soo Won does not trust Keishuk entirely, as he did ot told him many things like Hak and Yona being alive for example. However, I do believe, that Keishuk demonstrated to Soo Won his trustworthyness, as Soo Won wished to keep him as a counselor.
But why would Kusanagi choose 4 days for Yona´s coronation?!!
Idk😭. I double checked what I said just in case because I was sure about it being the case in China but not Japan but it seems correct.
since Kusanagi has some allusions to the Christian Belief as well...with the big star in the sky or Arthurian legends.
She does? Oh wow. Honestly…no matter how much I hated the final arc and chapter, I can’t deny that Kusanagi is a genius. To fit so much symbolism, so many small details into one story is very impressive.
Even in chapter 276 Keishuk lost his cool that the dragon gods did not heal Soo Won entirely.
Actually this was exactly the moment when I was finally convinced that Keishuk does care for Soo-won personally. Up until now his worry for Soo-won’s health seemed to me more like worry for him as king, since his health = ability to rule. But yeah in the end he does care, I’m very glad. I was scared he would also be charmed by Yona and betray Soo-won.
I’m also glad Min-soo seems to have stayed as Soo-won’s healer and didn’t crawl back to Yona. So +1 more ally of Soo-won. I hope that’s what it is.
I do believe, that Keishuk is one reason, why Soo Won felt a little less lonely after the death of both of his parents. Keishuk took partly the role of a caretaker for Soo Won, who is 7 years younger than Keishuk.
Yes I agree. Ngl I’m still inclined to consider the theory of Keishuk being Yu-hon’s illegitimate son correct, they are so alike for some reason, I can’t shake the feeling off. Soo-won seemed to spend a lot of time with him in childhood too.
For now the only people we know Soo-won genuinely loved were his parents, Yona and Hak. But what’s important is that we never saw his thoughts on other people. I refuse to believe Soo-won is not attached to Ogi f.e. I don’t really believe Soo-won doesn’t like Keishuk, and yet his relationship with Ogi and Lili is a bit different, can’t even explain the feeling.
In any case I would appreciate it if Soo-won finally opens up and conveys his true feelings.
Soo Won does not trust Keishuk entirely, as he did ot told him many things like Hak and Yona being alive for example.
Exactly.
Idk😭. I double checked what I said just in case because I was sure about it being the case in China but not Japan but it seems correct.
Is Yona´s coronation then a not so positive event? That would be strange...But what could it mean?!!
Yes I agree. Ngl I’m still inclined to consider the theory of Keishuk being Yu-hon’s illegitimate son correct, they are so alike for some reason, I can’t shake the feeling off. Soo-won seemed to spend a lot of time with him in childhood too.
Well, in a way Keishuk is his elder sibling. Keishuk learnt under Yu hon as well and followed his belief. It appears he was some orphan with nowhere to go.
I’m also glad Min-soo seems to have stayed as Soo-won’s healer and didn’t crawl back to Yona. So +1 more ally of Soo-won. I hope that’s what it is.
Min Soo was also a former playmate of Soo Won, even though their social standing differed. But unfortunately, since Soo Won had to become king, he also drifted apart from Min Soo. To the point where Min Soo started to hate him after the murder of King Il.
Though, you are correct, that Min Soo started to care for Soo Won along the way. Min Soo wished to heal him in every case.
and yet his relationship with Ogi and Lili is a bit different, can’t even explain the feeling.
Lily is the one person, that Soo Won could not discard - no matter what. That is the reason, why I believe, Soo Won loves her already pretty strongly. He jokes with her and is more an airhead with her than with everybody else. Soo Won is really partly an airhead, somebody that loves to play and joke, being rowdy and above else free. Lily is exactly his kind of person. Soo Won adores selfless people, who are blunt and a little wild.
Isn´t it funny, that he loves exactly the kind of behaviour that Lily most likely is unsure about?
Ogi is also blunt and rowdy from his character. He is a good person as well.
Yet, there is a clear difference between Ogi and Lily right? Soo Won tried to discard him, but could not get rid of her. Even after she betrayed him in front of so many people.
In any case I would appreciate it if Soo-won finally opens up and conveys his true feelings.
Indeed, Zeno and Soo Won have to open their mouths.
Yes it's four. It's considered unlucky because it's a homophone word for death. Both in Chinese and Japanese.
4 - Shi and death Shi sound the same but have different characters
4 - Sì and death si death sound similar as well for Chinese but have different characters and intonation I believe called.