the-lament-of-patroclus

mythology and folklore🐉| Hades🗝️| Patroclus & Thetis supporter <3

[ungodlysai]

Agamemnon: When are you going to find a woman, Achilles? When are you going to grow out of this… companionship? He cannot bear you a son.

Achilles: Companionship? Agamemnon, our love is more than a companionship. Patroclus can give me more than a son ever could. He’s the only one who truly took the time to understand me. A man who followed me without question.

Agamemnon: like a subordinate? Or a pet perhaps?

Achilles: No, like my lover. He is my beloved.

Patroclus: and half his soul as the poets say.

[thecollectibles]

Artemis Leading the Hunt — MTG Style by Ivana Abbate

[lovelysakuryay]

gentle reminder that unless you are being disrespectful or harmful to yourself or others, there is no right or wrong way to devote yourself to your deities.

devotion is very personal and it looks different from person to person.

[pocfiction]

MONKEY MAN 2024, dir. Dev Patel

[lenaleviosa]

You died & arrive in the underworld. Hades is waiting for you there, but that’s not what surprises you.

“What is this?” you ask, “wasn’t the underworld supposed to be dark & scary?”

Hades smiles. “It was once, but Persephone has her fun with it now. On earth it’s winter, but here we’re in the middle of summer.”

It’s beautiful. There’s flowers everywhere, the water from the river Styx is streaming all around you & a guy is playing music on a lyre, better than you’ve ever heard before.

Hades points to the musician, “That’s Orpheus, we’re glad he came back. He cheers the place up, you know?”

You walk past two guys sitting on a bench, they’re holding on to each other like their life depends on it. “Achilles & Patroclus,” Hades explains, “after all this time they’re still scared to let go”

You feel proud, “So I was right? The Greek myths are real?”

“But my friend, of course, you knew that didn’t you? Otherwise you would have never arrived here. This is a place only for the people who believed in us.”

Your hearts sinks.

“Why do you think I had the time to come and greet you? Why haven’t had a new soul in years. We’re so glad you’re here!”

Your family, your friends, everyone you’ve ever loved, they won’t be coming. You’re in paradise, but you’re all alone.

[moderndaymystic]

"The universe is one being. Everything and everyone is interconnected through an invisible web of stories. Whether we are aware of it or not, we are all in a silent conversation."

- The Forty Rules of Love

[ianitos]

friendly reminder that the gods are not stagnant, they're not 2-dimensional, they're not simple. what they are is complex, complicated, and well- rounded beings. a lot of the time they're only viewed for their "good qualities" and what have you. i don't care if i sound like a broken record, acknowledge the divine are complex and inexplicable.

[ungodlysai]

This, please!!

[mylifeforawinegod]

Just a quick reminder~

Not all polytheists consider themselves as pagans, and not all pagans consider themselves polytheists. The two terms aren't universally interchangeable.

(Some people use the terms interchangeably for themselves because the terms are heavily intertwined for them. This is not the case for everyone.)

[khaire-traveler]

Pagan: A person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions.

Polytheist: A person who believes in the existence of many gods.

Paganism: A religion other than one of the main world religions, specifically a non-Christian or pre-Christian religion.

Polytheism: The belief and/or worship of more than one god.

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I figured including these would help because not many people seem to know the difference between these terms.

[ungodlysai]

If you’re a Hellenic Polytheist or devoted to any Greek God, do you find [fan, retellings, etc.] fiction to be upsetting/ disrespectful?

Yes, no questions asked.

Eh. [Gen.] Depends if the writing is disrespectful and out-of-character.

No, as long as they’re not disrespectful to me (targeting my profile/comments)

I could care less about other people’s beliefs when I have my own.

No, not really.

Voting ended onMar 22, 2024

I’ve been seeing more and more discourse popping up about this topic and I’m curious. What’s your view on it?

Tl;Dr— I personally don’t have a problem with it. If I come across something I don’t like, I just distance myself from it.

↬ Personally, I’m devoted to Hades. He was first God I’d ever felt any connection to, so I do tend to be a little more… protective of him. But, I actually love seeing fiction on Hades and other Gods. It’s nice to see how other people conceive the gods I adore. Plus, it keeps me from ending up in an echo chamber of similar beliefs. It’s nice having people who don’t necessarily believe the same things as me.

But don’t get me wrong, I do get upset with certain things, such as the constant conflating of Hades and Satan, though I do understand that this is more of a people applying or trying to use Christianity to understand other religions.

[ombrokharis]

(Ranting about a comment I saw on TikTok.)

I genuinely need people to stop blaming ancient Greek religion/the gods for ancient Greek societal conventions like infanticide, slavery, and misogyny.

Exposed infants were protected by Kourotrophos gods!

Versions of the gods exist who were liberators of enslaved persons!

Women undeniably found the most freedom in the religious sphere!

For all of ancient Greece's sociocultural conservatism, the gods virtually demanded that worshippers subvert customs. In the words of my professor, "The Greek gods are a lot more progressive than you'd expect from the conservative ancient Greeks."

[theoi-crow]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!

Also a reminder that the ancient Greeks also used the gods to pass laws based on their own views! Just like how modern conservative politicians use the xtian God to make people be afraid and get them in line. It was punishable by Athenian law if one did not worship the gods the way the government told them to worship them. This is one of the main things that got Socrates in trouble and ultimately killed as he tried to prove he was pious: (LINK)

Ancient laws and customs were made by ancient Greek people for ancient Greek people! And have nothing to do with modern worshippers or their beliefs!

Fun fact: Ancient slaves got their freedom in Delphi by having their name etched on the temple wall to symbolize they were now under Apollo because Apollo was a slave in previous hymns (most notably the hymn to Hermes). Here's a link that talks more about it: (LINK)

[ungodlysai]

Can we just appreciate that, despite living in the dark ages, Homer dropped two *HUGE* epics that explored extremely complex relationships, the tragedies of war and human mortality, and Grecian gods that weren’t at all perfect?? This man literally took ancient Grecian history, theology, politics, and science and gave us this godsend.

[ulises-aithon]

Not to diminsh our god´s writer, man I love him so much but.........

He didn´t wrote those, he mostly codified and wrote what was a a century spanning cultural mythology and the fall of the Aegean civilization after Troy.

So not only we owe our lives for him, but also to the hundreds of nameless rapsodes that kept the flame alived

[ungodlysai]

Definitely. I hope both sides of their hypothetical pillows were cold.

[ungodlysai]

Can we just appreciate that, despite living in the dark ages, Homer dropped two *HUGE* epics that explored extremely complex relationships, the tragedies of war and human mortality, and Grecian gods that weren’t at all perfect?? This man literally took ancient Grecian history, theology, politics, and science and gave us this godsend.

[seidkonaz]

everyone shut the fuck up and listen. i love decadence, i love filth, i love perversion; i love depravity and deviance and hedonism. i love corruption, i love the obscene. i love debauchery, i love all things sordid, i love the thrill of scandal. i love reveling in being a sicko. it brings me closer to god

[kochei0]

I turn to Ares.

Thanks to Tyler Miles Lockett who allowed me to draw inspiration from his ARES piece for page 2! Look at his etsy page it's SICK

⚔️ If you want to read some queer retelling of arturian legends have a look at my webtoon

[ungodlysai]

👏 👏

[polartss]

Some young (10/11 yo?) Achilles and Patroclus concepts 😭

[ungodlysai]

THEYRE SO ADORABLE! STOP🥰🥰

[yumafuki]

“He is half of my soul, as the poets say.”

[ungodlysai]

Beautiful

[the-girl-who-sold-the-wxrld]

Stop fanfictions and posts where Achilles calls Patroclus "Pat". Achilles would never call Patroclus "Pat". Achilles is the only person in the world to pronounce the name Patroclus well, to detach the syllables well, not to say it at full speed until it is just an almost inaudible word. He pronounces it with love and care, and Patroclus loves it. So Achilles would go on forever, pronouncing his name as if it was his favourite word - and it probably is. No diminutive. Just Patroclus.