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I can think of worse things đđ
Israel says it rejects allegations in a new report by the office of the UN secretary general.
jsyk the op of the post about jewish music you reblogged is a zionist
Okay, sure, let's have it out. I imagine I'll pretty much piss off everyone with this.
First: the only confidence I have in my understanding of the political situation of the Middle East is that I have no fucking understanding whatsoever of the political situation in the Middle East. Sure, I've read plenty. I have friends of many many stripes. But I'm not a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect here, folks: I know enough to know how much I don't know, and how much I know is tons.
Second, you say that person is a "zionist." There are three things I find pretty annoying about this as a defense attorney. One is that the term is not defined, and the other is that there is a complete lack of evidence. The third is the implicit assumption that being a "zionist" is enough to wholeheartedly condemn anyone.
Let's tackle these one by one. And, once again, I am neither a scholar of Jewish history nor Middle Eastern history nor anything except American criminal law.
First: definition. There are many possible meanings of zionist that I see people use. One potential meaning of "zionist" seems to be "is Jewish, but fails to disavow Israel as fast and loud as I personally want them to." Sometimes the meaning of "zionist" is just "is Jewish." Sometimes it's "a Jewish person who wishes for a return to a very distant ancestral homeland." Sometimes it's "wholehearted supporter of Israel's war crimes." A lot of pointless arguing, it seems to me, is centered around someone saying they are zionist, i.e., they would like Jewish people to someday have a nice homeland where they don't feel like a strange political chunk in another country, and another person hears that they are zionist, i.e. they enjoy wholesale slaughter of civilians.
Second: No evidence. Self-explanatory. You are an anon. I don't know why I'm supposed to trust your word. I read police reports for a living and I am supposed to be able to trust them, and let me tell you how many lies they contain.
Third: the assumption of condemnation. I literally defend the human rights of sex criminals in court. I defend murderers. What we are talking about, right now, at best, is a human person expressing an opinion, however potentially damaging and offensive (depending on definition of zionism and truth of accusation). Do you think I'm gonna say that Jewish people who express an opinion are inhuman and deserve segregation from the rest of us?
Do you think I'm ever going to stop reaching out my hand to people who use violence? Do you think I'm ever going to lose the hope that someday they will lose the fear that makes them resort to violence?
Finally, now that I've spent some time listing my problems with your case, so what.
Let's use an example closer to home. I'm an American, and I do in fact believe that America is a nation and will continue to be so, and that tearing down all government to give it back to indigenous people (something that is, to be clear, to my understanding, not comparable with any kind of political situation in Israel) is not possible as things stand. And yet nobody's here interrogating me about Donald Trump and his bombing of Iran or whether I support ICE's jackbooted thuggery.
A little further from home? If I met a Russian person, my first ask would not be "Tell me in detail your thoughts on Ukraine and Putin."
And in those two examples, I myself and this hypothetical Russian person are actually members of the country in question that is doing the thing. A Jewish person who is not Israeli isn't even that.
Listen. I think there's a lot to be unpacked about how the insularity of Jewish culture and the separateness of it from the countries where it lives is both in the interest of continuing the Jewish ethnicity and in the interest of the people who want Jewish people exterminated, and how the double-pull of those two interests maintain a tension that otherwise might dissipate. I think there's something real to be analyzed about how modern anti-semitism isn't a recurrence of medieval anti-semitism but a different thing, a sign of fascist thinking.
I think there is a horrific tragedy for everyone involved that the group who was decimated beyond belief in the blackest events in human history now has a very loud and visible nation channeling their survival into rage and violence.
I think that there are lots of Arab nations around Israel that would gladly see every person in it subject to that same rage and violence, and I'm not down with that shit either.
I think the history of who colonized who and when and what pogroms did what and how violence and why are all too fucking complicated to untangle.
I think the only way truly forward for Israel and Palestine is some kind of truth and reconciliation type thing and that Israel as it stands is too scared to see all their atrocities come to light.
I was raised atheist with college professor parents, so you can bet Jewish people in academia were part of my life from an early age. I don't understand antisemitism literally at all. It's completely incomprehensible to me. I also think Arab culture is gorgeous and studied Arabic in college. I don't discount the idea that I have subconscious biases; I've done my best to unpick them, but it's lifelong work.
The whole goddamn clusterfuck is a great example of why violence begets violence begets violence. I reject the idea that One Final Ass-Kicking on anyone's part will solve any one of these problems. The only thing that ends violence is not choosing violence. And that can't happen until enough people in and out of power want the violence to stop. There. Not here. There. It can't be imposed from outside. It has to come from within.
And that's a decision -- I must add -- that I seriously could not have less to do with. White Americans should not be making any of the related decisions.
Here endeth the essay, with one final note.
My Jewish friends are safe on this blog. My Arab friends are safe on this blog. That's all.
Thank you for standing up for Jews, OP.
The fact that Anon saw someone posting about Jewish and Israeli music and immediately saw Zionism and needed a Call Out... Really telling
Canât imagine why đđ
Israel says it rejects allegations in a new report by the office of the UN secretary general.
Wife just got called a "zio" at the grocery store by some pink-haired little shitass while wearing a magen necklace and earrings.
Leftism, clean up your fucking house.
You first!!
Israel says it rejects allegations in a new report by the office of the UN secretary general.
Jews did not need a state because it was âpromisedâ to us. We needed a state because all your grandparents were happily killing us.
Our ethnic ties to the land influenced the location of our state. But they were not actually the reason that we decided to build one.
My grandparents didnât do shit to anyone you dipshit.
Also you donât get to steal other peopleâs homes just because bad stuff happened to you.
I donât fucking care about the goddamn holocaust. It was bad but also so what? You donât get to commit crimes against humanity like ethnic cleansing and genocide just because that shit happened to you.
JEWS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERYONE ELSE!!!
âi wouldâve hidden anne frank!â you couldnât even condemn the largest massacre of jews since the holocaust.
Mfs would have called anne frank a nasty ziokike settler colonialist lmao. "i WoUlD hAvE hIdDen--" Me when I lie
Ppl posting anne frank in a keffiyeh like otto frank wasnt a massive zionist and anne didnt attend zionist meetings with her bf and her friends didnt move to israel
But oh yeah u would have hidden her lol
bro I AM a frank, of the frank German Jewish extended family. I got my hair damaged (through heat and salt) severely for it being curly by an anti-semite hairstylist who didn't like that my physical appearance contradicts the "white settler" canard just last week. they absolutely hate us. they looooooooooooooveeeee tokenizing me and telling me how they totally understand because "queer people were also victims of the Nazis its not all about Jews funny they only mention you uwu" and then I look them in the eyes and say, "sure, my great uncle was shot in the head in an SS basement and my grandfather almost didn't escape death as an 8-year-old boy who loved stuffed animals and bread with chocolate sprinkles", suddenly I am "so emotional" and "taking away from real discrimination and real marginalized people" and "let's talk about something else" and "well, gay people are in danger NOW so let's focus on them :)". For the record, I am also a lesbian lol. And my grandfather was one of my favorite people on this earth who doted on me since the day he died. and we share a birthday. He was absolutely obsessed with America, because he thought that his family would never face the horror he went through back in Germany as a little Jewish boy watching his father dragged away by the SS and his mother run after them. And I am somewhat glad he died before 2023, so he never had to see the cycle begin again. In America.
Thatâs nice. Anyways:
Israel says it rejects allegations in a new report by the office of the UN secretary general.
Jews are not the ones at risk right now. Palestinians and Lebanese people are!!!
âi wouldâve hidden anne frank!â you couldnât even condemn the largest massacre of jews since the holocaust.
Mfs would have called anne frank a nasty ziokike settler colonialist lmao. "i WoUlD hAvE hIdDen--" Me when I lie
Ppl posting anne frank in a keffiyeh like otto frank wasnt a massive zionist and anne didnt attend zionist meetings with her bf and her friends didnt move to israel
But oh yeah u would have hidden her lol
bro I AM a frank, of the frank German Jewish extended family. I got my hair damaged (through heat and salt) severely for it being curly by an anti-semite hairstylist who didn't like that my physical appearance contradicts the "white settler" canard just last week. they absolutely hate us. they looooooooooooooveeeee tokenizing me and telling me how they totally understand because "queer people were also victims of the Nazis its not all about Jews funny they only mention you uwu" and then I look them in the eyes and say, "sure, my great uncle was shot in the head in an SS basement and my grandfather almost didn't escape death as an 8-year-old boy who loved stuffed animals and bread with chocolate sprinkles", suddenly I am "so emotional" and "taking away from real discrimination and real marginalized people" and "let's talk about something else" and "well, gay people are in danger NOW so let's focus on them :)". For the record, I am also a lesbian lol. And my grandfather was one of my favorite people on this earth who doted on me since the day he died. and we share a birthday. He was absolutely obsessed with America, because he thought that his family would never face the horror he went through back in Germany as a little Jewish boy watching his father dragged away by the SS and his mother run after them. And I am somewhat glad he died before 2023, so he never had to see the cycle begin again. In America.
Would you be ok with people calling you a cultural Christian Jew?
how many accounts do you have?
yes or no
The misconception that zionist ideas only existed and have been a part of judaism since the zionist political movement has formed is so fucking harmful actually
Zionism is so fucking harmful actually.
ok the other reason the âpromised to them 3000 years agoâ joke is stupid is bc it gets the timeline wrong
jewish history basically is a cycle of arriving in the land of israel, leaving it, arriving again, leaving again, etc. iâll call each of these a loop. there are, essentially, four loops (for simplicityâs sake). the thing about the promise is that it was already fulfilled at the end of the second loop. zionism is concerned with the fourth loop.
No one cares. Stop killing Palestinians.
Okay I know this is like the most orginal take ever (/s), but as a jew in a white and christian dominant society (the U.S) I often find myself being put this bizarre dynamic wherein the people who are a part of the white christian dominant society expect me to be silent about aspects of their culture that alienate me when I am not considered or accomodated. Particularly when I am expected to participate.
If one knows that someone of a different culture is going to be present in one's space and one wants to include them. Then one should ask if they have any customs or restrictions to be aware of, no?
I genuinely avoid people like you.
If I can help it I will make my spaces as openly hostile to you and yours as possible. It not my responsibility to accommodate your religious bullshit. You choose to live like that so that is your problem not mine. The world does not fucking revolve around you.
i think "turning into a pumpkin" is my new favorite way to articulate the state of things when I am at a function and very overstimulated and it feels like my brain is melting. it's like no i can't be a person anymore i have to leave i'm turning into the pumpkin. the time is up yeah i gotta go. yeah see u later. pumpkin time.
My brother says that, I think it's a navy slang he learned about getting too close to curfew. It might not have originated there but I'm almost certain that's where he learned it.
No one is forcing you to stay home on Saturdays. You choose to live like that. And that completely fine; you are well within your rights to be as observant as you want. Itâs just not anyone elseâs responsibility to accommodate your schedule, which again is something of your own choosing. Your religion prevents you from doing things on Saturday it doesnât prevent me or any other non Jew from doing things on Saturday.
Do you actually believe that putting a blanket ban over scheduling events on Saturday is a reasonable request? Because that would mean non Jews would have to follow a religious law or a religion they donât belong to!!
The doesnât revolve around you!!!
Me: Hey you know scheduling things on Saturday is inconvenient for Jews and anyone who works on Saturday
You: SO YOU WANT TO BAN EVENTS ON SATURDAY??? YOU MONSTER!!!!