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Tom said in an interview that Loki won't stop searching for Sylvie
Post-finale Sylki makes people uncomfortable because they're not used to see a man do emotional labor for a damaged and complicated woman, and go out of his way to try to fix her and bring her out of the dark. It's always the other way around. Men are allowed to be complex and fucked up, and there will be always a kind and compassionate woman with no turmoil of her own to tend to his emotional wounds and be his personal balm, the light to his darkness, the beauty to his beast, and similar gendered imagery. Sylki inverts those poles and now people are angry and confused. They can't conceive that there's hope for Sylvie, that she deserves to be saved. To be taken care of. Women only exist on a binary of saints and harpies, and the failure of fitting the first category will throw her straight to the second. There's no room for greyness and complexity for female characters. And that's because, unlike Loki in previous movies, and unlike many other male anti-heroes and anti-villains, Sylvie never did anything out of malice. She committed a honest mistake. She did what she thought was the right thing for the good of the universe and did not consider the consequences because she was too tunnel visioned in her pain. This is nowhere near what other morally grey fandom darlings have done out of actual ill intent.
“It isn’t about possession, it isn’t about desire, it’s about understanding her fragility and not wanting her to go through the same horrors that perhaps he experienced.” | Tom Hiddleston on Empire Spoiler Specials Podcast
Long post about Loki's romantic history in the comics
So, got inspired to do a little research mainly because of this: Tom Hiddleston pitched his own standalone movie in 2013 to Kevin Feige, explicitly referring to Loki and Enchantress' romantic relationship as a springboard.
Which actually confused me because my personal memory of Loki from the Bronze and Silver Age was definitely along the lines of "I think Amora and Loki worked together but I'm pretty sure Amora wasn't that interested, because Loki was an asshole and she knew it."
Turns out I was correct, buuuuut, they were a lot closer than I remembered. Especially in recent comics.
So I'm going to do a (relatively) brief overview about Loki's relationships as far as I remember. The guy fucked a lot, especially when he was evil. Latest incarnation is actually kinda more chaste imo.
BIG post, lotso images, reflection on MCU Loki at the bottom after the history lesson.
loki always been a simp
Not only is #Sylki comics-accurate, but Tom Hiddleston has been saying he's wanted to see Loki get together with Enchantress since at least 2013.
“When I was first reading the comics, the relationship with the Enchantress was one of the really fun things I thought would be good to explore, and may have even pitched it to Kevin Feige at some point. Because she is as sneaky and as untrustworthy as he was. They basically had a really fantastic and twisted relationship until they both say, 'You know what? I don't trust you as far as I can throw you. It's over.' Because they keep betraying each other, in a way. So it could be good.” - Tom "Captain of the Sylki Ship" Hiddleston
Tom Hiddleston´s narration from Marvel Studios Assembled: The Making of Loki.
Sylvie’s one good memory is with Loki
Loki’s glorious purpose is Sylvie
when a loki bits a loki
Apparently there could've been all the sex in Loki
Lmao the Loki: Disassembled featurette has some true gold in that early whiteboard brainstorming session! Here's some shots of the brainstorming behind what looks like Episode 1 (at 7:51):
From the most visible list, it appears the brainstormed sequence of events were:
Loki visiting different time periods
Doing crazy mischief aka sex
Pivots to taking power
Collecting infinity stones
Has the gauntlet, takes power…more sex. Bi, alien, etc.
Alone in the throne room. He’s taken power, but is infected with thought it isn’t “real” because of TVA’s control over free will.
Returns to TVA - Gauntlets power down. Mobius waiting for him.
Loki gives honest answers to Mobius. Mobius shows the sheer power of TVA.
Then the whole episode or season whatever, rounds-off with "Fucks off with Sylvie" (the top of the plot circles)
So Loki and Sylvie could've met as early as episode 1 and Loki would've 'fucked off with her'. Which after seeing how much of a horndog he was going to be, I can believe implied all kinds of fucking LMAO.
Like it either means Loki leaves with Sylvie, or they had a 'fuck off' to see who was the most hedonistic, or hell let's remove one word 'fucks off with Sylvie'. We could have been in a world where this was gonna be canon!
Note: I think this was a brainstorm to stick the most bawdy shit they could think off on the wall to get in the groove. Plus then you can tell the editor that 'okay we take out all the sex if you let us do this' kind of bargaining.
I just realised that the Nexus advert in Wandavision literally describes the events in the Loki series during the side effects of the medication.
Feeling your feelings
Confronting your truth
Seizing your destiny
More depression
There’s just something so subtly romantic and angsty about how hesitant Loki is to touch Sylvie. The way his hands hover above her arms and shoulders because he’s so unsure as to how she would react if he embraced her. But also I love the fact that Loki respects her space and has allowed Sylvie to be the one to initiate the physical contact. It was Sylvie that first held his arm in Lamentis. It was Sylvie that first grabbed his hand in the void. It was Sylvie that first kissed him. But he allowed it all, and even deepened all the physical interactions. I can’t imagine how epically romantic and swoon-worthy it will be when HE initiates the kissing.
Loki & Sylvie are the two biggest catalysts in the MCU
Loki stealing the Tesseract created the Avengers.
Sylvie killing He Who Remains created the Multiverse.
Maybe the universe really does need to manifest some Chaos and Mischief sometimes...
After the kiss, right before she sends him away, it looks like he’s reaching out to hold her, did you see it?
Loki is clearly close to kissing her again, you want to say?
And yes, he was ready to wrap his arms around her.
But... Sylki’s not rushed at all?
As someone who prefers her slow-burn to last roughly 5000 years, I don’t think I understand the complaints about the romance between Loki and Sylvie being rushed and underdeveloped. Does it happen quickly? Sure. But that doesn’t necessarily equal sudden and underwritten (rewatch The Last Jedi if you want a counter-example). The speed with which the two get from “just met” to “twin flames” may be fast, but otherwise their story follows a fairly typical romantic trajectory, with all the usual steps those entail.
After meeting, they banter and act as two antagonistic snarky office workers, a standard romance trope.
More bantering as they interact during an adventure, sharing a new experience together and seeing how the other works.
As they go on, they become more open around one another, actively choosing to get to know each other better. A connection is established based on their shared sense of loss and family relationships.
Loki does a thing for no other reason than to make Sylvie happy. This is where we see an obvious romantic attraction appear as they discuss love and sex, clearly trying to sus out whether the other is dtf. Also, more banter but this time without the snarky edge.
They grow comfortable enough for the pathologically distrustful Sylvie to fall asleep in his presence and Loki to outright woo her with a song.
After Loki screws up Sylvie’s mission, he offers his support, both emotional and practical. In contrast with their first slog through the wasteland there’s no antagonism; they see themselves as partners in crime now and have a perfectly normal conversation. Upon entering the town they verbally verify trust and work as a team.
About to die, Sylvie shares her deepest pain with Loki, he expresses his admiration for her, and she initiates physical contact as they hold hands and gaze into each other’s eyes, ignoring the looming apocalypse and realizing they’re in love.
Bam, the basis of the relationship is established, escalating and deepening from there.
They are worried for one another.
They have each other’s back without thinking.
They attempt to verbalize their feelings.
Loki is Sylvie’s only good memory.
They (attempt to) engage in outright self-sacrificial heroics in order to be together again.
They contrive a scenario where they 100% need to cuddle under a blankie for science or whatever as they discuss their future together.
They refuse to leave each other’s side in a fight.
They protect each other some more.
They hold hands again.
Their bond and mutual trust help them defeat a monster, improving one another and making them realize they’re stronger together than apart.
Bad guy tempts them with a vision of a shared future, Loki refuses the notion of having power without Sylvie.
Revealed as twin souls destined to fall for one another.
A means to an end with no intent to cause harm, their fight ends with Loki expressing deep empathy with Sylvie’s suffering and pleading with her out of concern for her own wellbeing, acting out of selfless love.
Then and only then, after all this stuff, do they kiss.
It’s all there, from the flirty bickering and mutual attraction to opening up and deep bonding. Nothing is missing. The boxes are checked off fast, but they’re still there to be checked off. And the absolute best part about it is that the romance manages to stand as an element of its own and develop the characters while staying true to them and their individual stories. These new feelings don’t magically correct Sylvie’s crippling trust issues in a single blanket-sharing session and they don’t make her stray away from her mission. They’re a complicating factor and facilitate both current and future development instead of hampering it. The story takes precisely as much time developing its individual aspects as it needs to, not hesitating to put its characters in a conflict with each other if required.
So again, please, where is that rush I’m meant to dislike? Because the fact that all this happens in the span of four episodes, all the while moving the plot along, developing side characters, and seeding future plots while packing one hell of an emotional punch the entire time? That’s not rushed. That’s fucking great filmmaking, my guy.
Love is a dagger. It’s a weapon to be wielded far away or up close. You can see yourself in it. It’s beautiful until it makes you bleed. But ultimately, when you reach for it… it isn’t real.
I was watching Thor: Ragnarok last night and I saw this and I was like LOVE IS A DAGGER?