the fact that mike didnt tell will he'd been calling and it had been failing to go thru during rinkomania really tells u how he views himself imo

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the fact that mike didnt tell will he'd been calling and it had been failing to go thru during rinkomania really tells u how he views himself imo
Ok I’m thinking about the ‘Bravebyers’ era and it was highkey evil that people made Mike the Brave hate Mike 😭
Like that is a figment of his imagination that he uses to comfort himself when he’s scared or upset. He doesn’t even think of *being* Mike the Brave, he specifically said he imagines Mike the Brave just being *at his side* and that helps him keep going, like he’s a sort of protector and comforting figure to him, who guides him, similar to the way he usually does that for othesr.
And then in fanon people made Mike the Brave exist to hate him, insult him, degrade him, compete with him, take his boyfriend etc etc
Like dam bruh that’s his comfort OC??😭 I always found AUs where he’s in-character and acts as a wise version of Mike who guides him down the right path so much better LMAO
Can I admit something? I hate the whole “Mike has to work for/earn Will’s love” thing. I genuinely, GENUINELY hate that trope so badly.
I also don’t like it when people write Will fake dating a person to force Mike to come out or have the party get irritated when Mike doesn’t come out at THEIR pace. it’s not funny, it never will be.
It’s never going to be funny to force a queer person to come out with the fear they may lose the person they love or have all their feelings invalidated by their friends for not coming out sooner.
‼️ This is kinda gonna be a long ass rant basically saying how I hate how weird the Byler community is around how they view Mike’s queerness —
The byler community is really weird and homophobic to closeted people. Ever since the s5 ending dropped, I’ve felt unsafe as a closeted queer teenager in the community because of all the weird jokes and insults people make, and I know so many other closeted people have expressed feeling the same way, not that any have ever been taken seriously or listened to. This was at its worst in January but it’s still an issue now.
People spent ages raving about how numerous queer people outright came out the closet out of fear at Mike’s ending, and yet immediately get cognitive dissonance at the idea of closeted people being affected by things relating to the queer reading of him in any other way. Specifically people who perceive/interpret Mikes character as ending up too scared or depressed to come out the closet in the end, and then use that to make a bunch of weird jokes about closeted people. Like calling them ‘DLs’ in a degrading way, saying how it’s cowardly, saying how it’s embarrassing and shameful, saying how they’re glad he’ll be miserable if he stays in the closet forever. Along with making fanfic situations of the other characters being angry at Mike for not coming out fast enough and doing things to force or pressure him out, and those AUs being very popular.
Especially considering Mike in the show has republican parents and is in a small 1980s Reagan town, so if they are viewing him as queer it’s utterly nonsensical how they’d still act like it’s so shameful to be closeted in that situation. Of course Mikes fictional so he could never be affected by people making these jokes regardless of his circumstances, but the main idea of ‘being closeted is embarrassing and something to ridicule even in situations where it would very likely be unsafe to come out’ is insensitive to the centuries of struggles real queer people have gone through and the reasons they’ve had to hide their identities.
And the issue is that when they say this stuff, it impacts the feelings of real closeted people who should feel safe in the byler community, but have to read that being closeted is embarrassing and laughable and should be ridiculed. People argue that “well Mike’s not canonically queer, so it’s not like we’re making fun of actual queerness, it’s a non-issue” but that feels like a logical fallacy of sorts and just a lack of literacy and comprehension around what people are actually saying. Mike Wheeler’s not a real person so even if his character was confirmed queer Mike himself wouldn’t be affected by it.
The issue was never the feelings of Mikes character, it’s the way these jokes and rhetoric impact real closeted people, because the character you’re saying it about isn’t the issue, the weird and cruel mindset to those who haven’t come out yet is the issue. Hell, him being queer coded doesn’t even really matter. You could literally headcanon Jim Hopper or the Demogorgon as closeted and then make the same jokes about them and it’d still be bad.
The overarching issue of treating being closeted as a moral failure and something to be punished is still there, and that’s the actual problem. It doesn’t matter whether you’re making the joke about a real person or a character because it still affects that group that exists in real life regardless.
I remember my mutual on Twitter (who iirc is closeted themselves and was being extremely vulnerable here and talking about something that personally affected them), made a thread on this where they vented their frustrations and honestly said a lot of valuable things, and they just got clowned and dogpiled and attacked to oblivion to the point they had to private for days. People essentially watered it down to “you’re mad people are being mean to Mike” when that’s not even close to what anyone is saying. (The mutual in question who made this thread wasn’t even a Mike stan btw lol they were a Will-centric account and had alway had him as their fav, it’s really interesting to me how all the Will stans thought the idea of another Will stan calling out homophobia to closeted people was incomprehensible).
The complaint is the fandom framing it as “being in the closet = cowardly, embarrassing, something people can justifiably be angry at”. That is a perfectly valid thing to have issues with, and this being such a common mindset in the Byler community should be questioned.
Or people will just use whataboutism and say “well we should solely focus on the homophobic jokes about Will, the character confirmed as queer, they’re the real issue!”. Of course those are absolutely horrible and every single one of them should be called out and treated seriously, and I agree they’re much more wide spread and a larger issue than the closeted Mike ones, specifically not really within the Byler fandom itself but because of the GA making really awful viral videos mocking Will’s queerness around when the season had just came out — but saying this the ONLY issue that can be focused on is: A) plain stupid because a community is always gonna talk about a wide array of issues or discourses that vary in importance which is perfectly fine and normal for a fandom, and I know damn well the people who say this will then go and make another tweet whining about someone saying they like bottom Mike as if that’s an important issue, and B) just feels like disregarding the feelings of closeted people as being lesser than and unimportant.
The character you’re joking about quite literally doesn’t matter because the issue isn’t the fictional character that has no feelings or ability to be impacted, the issue is always the REAL people who your jokes and insults also apply to, and who absolutely can be affected. This goes for jokes about marginalised people of any shape or form. Countless closeted people have been expressing discomfort in the way the fandom is for months and people simply belittle it, get angry at closeted people for feeling that way, or brush it off. It’s so frustrating and a big part of why I distanced myself from the Byler fandom post-S5.
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Am I the only one who hates it when ppl make Mike “only gay for Will” like he’s allowed to express attraction to other guys whilst still being w Will (e.g. celebrity crushes)
And this can be applied to ships and bl/gl in general it feels so weird to me and it’s like the characters aren’t allowed to have a sexuality outside their love interest (if that makes any sense)
Love remembering that Mike the Brave’s backstory was that he lived amongst the elves and fairies—whom he had a connection to—but chose to become a paladin because he wanted to uphold his father’s legacy and believed that’s what his father wanted from him.
Because what do you mean Mike the Brave’s backstory is a really good queer analogy, especially considering fairies and elves are tied to queerness and femininity?
What do you mean Mike felt more comfortable being amongst said elves and fairies?
What do you mean even in DnD, Mike Wheeler wants his father to be proud of him and will choose to conform to said father’s expectations, even if it goes against what Mike truly wants?
Ted Wheeler I do not hate you but you need to step the fuck up
personally i think will would hate being called princess. he doesn’t want to be a woman, he doesn’t want to be perceived as feminine, he doesn’t want to be a damsel in distress. he wants to be taken seriously and i feel like he would interpret being called princess as a lack of being taken seriously.
i bring a no, seriously, mike wheeler is not the problem and i’m tired of people wishing him suffering vibe to the byler fandom that certain will byers fans really don’t like.
So......Ticket to Heaven ended. And we need to talk about it.
Some, expected and wanted a dramatic, high stakes rebellion against God, or a neat little happy ending where everyone magically becomes ✨️progressive.✨️
Instead, P’Aof gave us a six episode thesis on the ✨️art of the compromise.✨️
It's a show that manages to offend religious purists while simultaneously hand delivering a reality check to non-religious spectators who show up to the discourse with a massive savior complex.
This, will be different from my usual analysis, since it's late, I worked a 16 hour shift and I get deep melancholy this time of year.
Let us unpack the heavy handed symbolism, the directors ultimate message, and why the final choice not to return to St. Magdalene College is the most realistic thing about the entire series.
Disclaimer : Everything I know about religion (ANY religion) is from word of mouth, a lot of research, a lot of reading of religious text and in depth conversations with various religious ministers. I do not claim to know everything, as long as we are alive, we learn, I do however believe that I know enough. Let us remember that this is tumblr, not a courthouse.
🥀 The Choreography of Touch (tenderness as a radical act)
Everyone talked about the physical climax of their intimacy, but the real emotional weight of Tanrak and Barths relationship is told through the micro movements of their hands.
In a seminary school, hands are strictly regulated instruments. They are used to fold in prayer, clasp during confession, and turn pages of scripture. They are mechanical, disciplined, and performative. But notice how Barth and Tanrak interact? When they touch, there is an excruciating, deliberate gentleness.
When Barth brushes a stray piece of hair or touches Tanraks hand, it's not an aggressive, passionate grab. It's an incredibly soft, cautious reverence, almost as if Barth treats Tanraks body with more sanctity than the altar itself.
By filming their intimacy with such quiet tenderness the show does something brilliant, it strips away the 'taboo' lens.
To the church, their love is a violent, disruptive 'sin.'
But to the camera, the sheer gentleness makes it look entirely harmless. It highlights the absolute absurdity of the institutions panic.
How can something that soft be considered a threat to salvation?
🥀 Courting you, Wanting you
In the '90 , in a hyper-religious Thai boarding school, you can't exactly drop a love letter without getting expelled. You have to speak in code.
Barth isn't just handing over a pretty plant, he's participating in a quiet courting ritual under the very noses of the authority figures. Depending on the exact bloom P'Aof put in that frame, it changes the conversation completely.
If it's a chamomile or a simple wildflower, Barth isn't trying to corrupt Tanrak.
He's acknowledging Tanraks purity and devotion while subtly offering a piece of the outside world, something wild that grew naturally, untamed by the church's shears.
It's an act of worship.
Barth, who openly admits he has no faith in God and sees no light at the end of the tunnel, finds his own version of a holy ritual. He presents an offering to Tanrak.
He is essentially saying, "I don't believe in their heaven, but I believe in you."
It's a declaration of love disguised as a harmless gesture, completely bypassing the strict rules of Magdalene House.
🥀 Institutional Conditioning
One of the most complex moments is the reaction of Kongdech when he finally puts two and two together and realizes they aren't just bunkmates. (And they were bunkmates!)
In a lesser show, he would instantly turn into a screaming, homophobic monster, or a perfectly progressive ally.
Instead, his reaction is wrapped in deep panic and profound sadness.
He doesn't look at Tanrak with disgust, he looks at him with terror.
This reaction is brilliant because it captures the heavy psychological conditioning of organized religion.
He genuinely loves Tanrak.
Because he is a 'true believer', he genuinely thinks Tanrak is actively destroying his own soul.
He is looking at his best friend stepping off a cliff into eternal damnation, and his panic comes from a place of desperate, helpless care.
It perfectly mirrors the tragedy of the whole system: it weaponizes genuine love and friendship into a tool for surveillance and guilt.
It shows that the worst part of religious homophobia isn't always the loud zealots shouting slurs, it’s the quiet heartbreak of your friends believing you are broken.
🥀 'We can Love You, but We can't Keep You'
This brings us to the collective ✨️meltdown✨️ over the finale.
People wanted a clean, Hollywood ending where the ✨️church changes its mind✨️, or 🔥the boys burn down the institution.🔥
But P’Aof is a realist. (Blah, blah censorship, blah, blah backlash)
The underlying, brutal message of the ending is simple: Yes, the Catholics can love you, but they cannot accept you if you are queer.
Think about Father Arnon.
He isn't written as a cartoonish, mustache twirling villain.
He's benevolent, gentle, and genuinely loves Tanrak.
He literally tells Tanrak to 'love himself more.'
But notice what he doesn't do: he doesn't rewrite the catechism.
He doesn't say, 'You can stay here at St. Magdalene, become a priest, and bring your boyfriend to Sunday brunch!'
The institution has a hard boundary.
And that's exactly why Tanrak and Barth do not return to the Magdalene church after they run away.
They realize that to stay in that space would require an unholy fragmentation of their souls.
The compromise is geographical and emotional: they keep their love for each other, and they keep their personal, internal relationship with faith, but they leave the structure behind.
They choose a cheap love motel and a bus ride to an uncertain future over a golden cage of conditional institutional safety.
🥀 A call out to the 'Holier-Than-Thou' secular crowd
Now, as someone who isn't religious myself, I didn't watch this looking for the boys to yell 'FUCK THE CHURCH, WE OUT!!!', but this show serves as a necessary, deeply sarcastic mirror for the non religious viewers who did.
Often, people outside organized religion look at the historical and modern atrocities of said religion and instantly develop a massive savior complex.
They look at kids like Tanrak, who is deeply devoted, orphaned, and surviving on institutional gratitude, and want to ✨️rescue✨️ them by force.
They look down on their faith as a primitive coping mechanism or lesser intelligence.
They act self righteous by demanding these characters completely denounce God, burn their bibles, and become perfectly healed secular activists overnight.
But Ticket to Heaven shows how incredibly damaging that secular arrogance actually is.
Barth tries to play the cynical rebel initially, but he eventually realizes he can't just amputate his spiritual side.
Faith isn't just a set of rules you can flip a switch on, for Tanrak, it's the fabric of his memory of his dead parents.
When secular observers treat a queer persons personal faith as a defect to be cured, they do a different kind of damage, one that can be even more alienating than a religious zealot shouting the usual crazy things.
At least with the zealots, you know where they stand.
The patronizing 'sympathy' of the secular savior complex just isolates them further.
🥀 Conclusion
Life is not an ✨️all or nothing✨️ Twitter discourse. Ticket to Heaven is beautifully produced because it refuses to give us a fairytale ending where religion magically stops being homophobic, or where the main characters magically stop believing in God.
Instead, it forces a deeply realistic compromise.
The characters choose a messy, authentic life outside the church walls, proving that sometimes your actual 'ticket to heaven' is just a bus ticket away from the people who claim to own the gate.✨️
It’s rly funny to me when those super strict mascfem Bylers on twitter that do NOT play about Mike being a dominant alpha daddy and Will being a tiny princess try to prove it with an image. Because it’s like. They don’t realise that they are exclusively seeing what they WANT to see when they look at Byler and to everyone who’s brain isn’t rotted by porn and terminally online arguing they literally just look like the two most average white dudes ever
So many times I’ll see them be like “people will say mascfem, huge height difference, buff x tiny and petite, dominant x little baby Byler isn’t canon, meanwhile THIS is Byler😏” and slap some image on where they LITERALLY just look like two guys. I had to draw an image to demonstrate what it looks like to me
When Mike and Will got engaged, Lucas and Dustin got into this huge argument of who would be mikes best man. Wills would obviously be Jonathan, that meant one of them was gonna be mikes. So they started this whole thing where they would both keep dropping hints as to who Mike should make the best man.
So when mike announced that max is his best woman they both fucking crashed out.
Mike had no idea what was going on. Max was thriving off the chaos.
wowee just read yet another fic riddled with miscommunication just for them to end up together because mike takes most of the blame, hates himself for it, and then spends the rest of eternity trying to prove himself to will and alleviate his passive aggression
groundbreaking
me when mike is forced to take responsibility for smth that isnt his fault and is just a miscommunication between the two of them. me when mike being confused or uninformed is somehow a character flaw. me when mike being characterized as autistic is automatically a flaw and smth he has to fix. me when people act like mike is incapable of getting his feelings hurt just as much as anyone else
As an ex catholic, who harbors no extreme feeling about the church one way or another, I actually like the ending to TTH. I think a lot of times we as viewers want a show to say something so much, that we ignore being queer isn’t a monolith. I have many friends who are queer and Catholic or queer and Muslim or Jewish, etc. I think this stories end will speak to many people. It’s hard, being queer and holding onto Catholicism or any other church that preaches homophobia. But whether or not a person leaves that behind, is their own terms. And I think it unfair to the characters to not understand that while the Priest are shitty af, they didn’t bring something good to the characters.
I can say, even though I am a nonbeliever, I had many priests and nuns make positive impacts on me. Even when I knew that our values don’t align. I wouldn’t call them fantastic people. But, faith and queerness aren’t linear (but I’m also not saying you aren’t allowed to dislike the ending). But I also think that, I understand what Aof is saying at the end. Faith and your queerness are up to you to decide. No one can decide for you. And it’s not up to us to decide for anyone either.
There is a very Catholic thing happening between Tanrak and Father Arnon in their end scenes together. The Catholic conceptions of sin and forgiveness of sin are different from Protestant traditions. In Catholicism, if you confess your sins and pray acts of contrition, you receive absolution. You are forgiven. It is ritual. You say what you did, say you're sorry, and you're square with God.
Father Arnon absolves Tanrak of the sin he confesses (betrayal of the people who did so much for him, in his own words) in the eyes of the Church. But absolution, and his admonition to lay down that particular burden doesn't refer to his 'living in sin' with Barth (as they would be considered as they cannot marry within the Church). Tanrak will not confess that, he does not consider it a sin or something he needs to be absolved of. Father Arnon may have fondness for his boys, but he is still a priest and the Church still has its rules, so there is and will always be a tension there.
As much as Father Arnon, Father Phak and Father Kongdech may love Barth and Tanrak personally, their roles in the Church will always be a barrier to full acceptance and embrace. There's a reason that despite maintaining their faith, they have not been back to Magdalene until now. That's the bittersweetness in the ending that is now an Aof signature.
Do we all understand the weight of the fact that loving tanrak made bath regain his faith?
both of their nicknames mean "love"
how beautiful for a story about queer boys in the 90s with Christian religious trauma having a relationship for almost 3 decades have both of their names be love
Beloved and Rak