Mike Wheeler in Season 5: I say kick away. Stop this meathead from reproducing and further infecting the world with his unique brand of idiocy.
Me:
idc i unironically love this line lol

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Mike Wheeler in Season 5: I say kick away. Stop this meathead from reproducing and further infecting the world with his unique brand of idiocy.
Me:
idc i unironically love this line lol
Sorry to my fellow bylers, but you’ll never see me fall for the “Will Byers is a sorcerer” propaganda. He’s a cleric and wizard, and in s5 he was a warlock. Even when I give him actual innate powers in aus or rewrites, i still ain’t calling him a sorcerer.
That title belongs to El, Kali, and Henry. Sorry🤷♀️
Another ST unpopular opinion that’ll probably get me flogged (you’ll find I have a lot of those lol) but why do some bylers get mad or whatever when people mention that El is the main character of the show? And even when they do agree that she’s a main, why do they insist that she’s a main alongside Will and that the w*nder twins are the main characters? (And even then some of them lowkey just reduce her to being Will’s innocent cute little sister or straight up just diminish her importance in favor of propping up Will. Which I’m not gonna say is inherently misogynistic and I get wanting Will to have more importance but it’s definitely… not it)
I’m sorry to some of my fellow bylers, but the show starting with Will’s disappearance does not mean he’s the main character. The Duffers saying in a interview that the show’s about Will does not mean everything in the show is about him. Yes, the show started with his disappearance, but he was a plot device, not the main character. Yes, the Duffers said in an interview the show’s about Will, but it was in response to a question about Barb. And even then, they definitely did not mean that he was the main character of the show. Also, I thought we agreed that interviews from the Duffers don’t meant shit anymore, so idk why some people are still passing around that quote that’s been blatantly misinterpreted by the fandom, especially by a lot of Will/Willel fans, and treating it like it’s gospel.
Besides that, El absolutely is the main focus of the show. She’s the character with the most screen time, the main adversary of the Mind Flayer whom she’s gone against three times (four if you count the finale, but I don’t consider that vagina monster the MF), the character who opened a gate to the Upside Down twice, who closed the original Mothergate, the lab kid most like Henry in character, prowess, and even appearance, and mostly importantly, the character who ties the two overarching plots of the show, that being the lab plot and the supernatural plot. She is the main target of both antagonists of the show, aka the Mind Flayer and the US government.
While I do wish that willelmike was the main trio of the show with El center stage kind of similar to Luke, Leia, and Han (with El being Luke, Mike being Leia, and Will being Han. Yes I do believe Luke and Leia fits elmike more cause a lot of people seem to forget that Luke and Leia started off as love interests), but canon wise? Will is nowhere near the same level of importance as El. It makes absolutely zero sense why after 3 to 4 seasons of Vecna being obsessed with El he’d just suddenly forget about her and prioritize Will more in s5. Like sorry, but I cannot see Vecna/The Mind Flayer caring for Will as anything other than a pawn and a vessel.
Obviously I am not saying that the show is just about El, of course not. At the end of the day, Stranger Things was an ensemble cast with varying character focuses. But it doesn’t hurt to say that if anyone out of the main cast deserves to be called the main focus and number one main character of the show, it’s absolutely El, which is what made her ultimate shafting, death, and sidelining in favor of Will by the Duffers in s5 all the more infuriating.
Not Mike, not Will, not Hopper or Steve, and certainly not the fanon W*nder Twins.
But Jane Ives/Jane ‘El’ Hopper.
Literally who tf else would it be💜
Hoo boy this is gonna get some ppl mad isn’t it
Dom bottom Mike and Sub top Will is such an underrated dynamic, I need more people to get on the train pls😩
Also sorry to some people, but I am a sucker for confident Mike and pathetic Will, we gotta change things up every now and again. Pls I need people to stop acting like Will Byers is this suave, all knowing, super cool frat boy. That boy is just as much of a down bad loser nerd as Mike is. And Mike being confident and sure of himself after years of insecurities is soooo juicy. You just know that once he grows more comfortable and realizes that yes, he is very desirable and attractive, Will is absolutely screwed.
Tho in general, I really love switch bottom Mike and switch top Will, it really depends on the situation as to who doms and who subs
Alright the show’s over, it’s 2026, can we finally start admitting that Jim Hopper was a terrible role model for Mike whom Hopper threatened (no I do not care how much of a little shit Mike was being, that’s no excuse to threaten a literal child), a shitty boyfriend to Joyce whom he never treated with respect and acted like she was his property, a lowkey abusive father to El whom he was unhealthily possessive of, and by no means would be a better father figure to Jonathan and Will than Lonnie (who Hopper is directly paralleled to and who canonically reminds Joyce of Lonnie) and especially not better than Bob (who was genuinely sweet, loving, and actually tried to get to know the Byers brothers unlike Hopper).
Is it safe to finally say that?
Love remembering that Mike the Brave’s backstory was that he lived amongst the elves and fairies—whom he had a connection to—but chose to become a paladin because he wanted to uphold his father’s legacy and believed that’s what his father wanted from him.
Because what do you mean Mike the Brave’s backstory is a really good queer analogy, especially considering fairies and elves are tied to queerness and femininity?
What do you mean Mike felt more comfortable being amongst said elves and fairies?
What do you mean even in DnD, Mike Wheeler wants his father to be proud of him and will choose to conform to said father’s expectations, even if it goes against what Mike truly wants?
Ted Wheeler I do not hate you but you need to step the fuck up
I already talked about the fandom’s views Mike and Will’s characters in this post, but can we please talk more about how some people (*cough* Bottom!Will truthers *cough*) see Will? Because the way certain so-called fans view him is honestly very telling tbh
Now, here’s the thing: I am not addressing the people who just do their own thing and don’t bother anyone. I am addressing the people who see Will in a certain way and harass anyone who dares to see him in another light.
Because why oh why do some of you insist that Will Byers is canonically feminine? Is it because he’s quiet? Sensitive? Likes art? Was at one point in time the shortest in the party? Was the one being saved for the first two seasons? Is that what equates to being canonically feminine. If so, then some of you really need to reevaluate yourself because chief… that’s lowkey misogynistic.
Why do some of you get so damn pissed when someone doesn’t see Will as this uwu wilting flower who’s hyperfeminine and a sub bottom who can’t tie his own damn shoelaces? Why do some of you get so mad when someone says that Will has muscles (he does, I really don’t care what the costume department said about padding or whatever) and that actually, he’s just as masculine as the rest of the boys in the party? Why do NEED the only gay boy in the show to be a feminine wuss? Why do you NEED him to forever stay a damsel in distress for the rest of his life? Why do you think quiet, sensitive, and artistic are all automatically feminine traits? Why do you insist that Will is a sub bottom and that he would never top? Why do you insist on calling Will a “final girl” and a “gothic heroine”? (Which are tropes reserved for women, not your favorite white boy) Why do you get mad when someone headcanons Mike as a bottom or gnc or androgynous? Why do you get mad when people envision Mike also exploring his sexuality and gender identity?
Is it because you automatically assume that being gay means being feminine and that there’s only one way a character can be gay? Is it because you refuse to see the only canon gay character as anything other than a walking stereotype? Is it because you refuse to engage with a gay ship without adding stereotypical straight roles where one boy is “the man” and the other is “the woman”? Is it because adding homophobic, misogynistic, and heteronormative tropes onto a gay ship makes it easier to absorb for you?
Idk man, sounds like homophobia, heteronormativity, and misogyny rolled all into one
And for anyone who’s gonna start shit: yes, I am aware that bottom!Mike truthers also sometimes rely on gay stereotypes. No, we are not exempt from this. But you know what Bottom!Mike truthers (and Mike fans in general) don’t do?
Coddle the shit out of Mike and treat him like a damn two year old
They’re so short husband/tall wife coded💛💙
Mike being a butt spanker cause he loves seeing Will’s fat ass jiggle, and Will being a butt biter cause he thinks Mike’s tiny ass is adorable (that and everything Mike does gives him massive cuteness aggression)
Something ironic (and kinda sad) i find about the most toxic tenants of this fandom is that they have a tendency to treat Mike and Will in a way they both canonically despise
Like…they make Will out to be this perfect angel who can do no wrong, is this uwu wilting bunny flower who’s constantly babied, cries at the smallest of things, is always Mike’s victim, everyone worships the ground he walks on, he has an ultra harem of boys, everything is about him, he’s the main character, and no one else matters. Basically, a Mary Sue lol. Meanwhile, Will canonically hated being coddled, hates being seen as fragile, has hurt Mike (despite the narrative never addressing it, which i hate) and has the capacity to be an asshole, can defend himself just fine, and doesn’t want to be seen as different for this sexuality. He lowkey just wants to be an average joe who’s one of the guys.
And then with Mike, it is so much worse. Toxic fans see Mike as this bitchless loser who can’t pull, is always in the wrong, is the devil incarnate, can’t do anything right, no one loves him, he ends up alone, is ugly, and is treated as useless outside of his two most popular ships. His only purpose to these dumbasses is to kiss, support, and fuck Will. Not like Mike didn’t have an entire fucking speech about how he hates being the love interest waiting in the wings while the superhero does all the cool stuff. Not like he canonically has self-esteem issues and was bullied for being unconventionally attractive (doesn’t make him ugly btw, he’s also canonically cute). Not like he showed signs of mental health issues even before the whole Upside Down shit happened. Not like the Party and the other characters don’t love and respect the shit out of him.
Don’t even get me started on the whole spicy byler shit where they’re made out to be the most basic yaoi couple out there (particularly on Twitter). Will always is the shrinking violet hyperfemme sub bottom, while Mike is always the ultra daddy dom hypermasc top.
God forbid you insinuate that Will could be a top and Mike could be a bottom. God forbid you think they switch. God forbid you don’t see Will as femme and see Mike as femme or androgynous or have him explore his identity in any way.
Cause haven’t you heard? Only one of them can do that. Only Will can have depression, have powers and a supernatural connection, be loved by everyone, have internalized homophobia, explore his sexuality and gender, etc. All of that belongs to Will, cause apparently multiple characters can’t go through the same thing. And if you apply any of this stuff to Mike and want to analyze him outside of being a love interest, then you’re just stealing from Will.
Apparently the worst thing you can do in this fandom is go against the popular headcanons. Cause god forbid we have our own opinions and views on certain characters and ships
Fuck me🚬
Sorry but you’ll never see me fall for the “Will is an awesome Mary Sue boss bitch who’s amazing at everything, everyone loves, and does nothing wrong, while Mike is this boring loser who everyone hates, is bad at everything, and is only there to be Will’s boyfriend” propaganda
Bsfr, they’re both pathetic down bad loser nerds who have their occasional cool moments and they are both their own characters outside of the ship
Good night
This fandom tries waaaaaay too hard to make Will Byers a bad bitch in order to make Mike look worse like bsfr they are both complete and utter losers who are both head over heels in love for each other.
Just because Will is better at hiding his feelings than Mike doesn’t mean he doesn’t simp hard for him and wouldn’t be damn fucking PROUD to have Mike as his boyfriend (obviously the other way around too)
Genuinely hilarious to me when people say that Mike “fumbled” Will like Will wasn’t the one who took himself off the market and basically rejected Mike cause of some shit Vecna showed him (that we didn’t see cause the Duffers are morons)
Like you cannot tell me this wouldn’t be Will’s reaction upon finding out that he fumbled Mike hard and basically self sabotaged himself for the millionth time
They get together later on tho cause I refuse to give them a sad ending fuck u duffers.
As much I love Mike being a pathetic down-bad loser simp for Will, if you’re not gonna make Will equally as pathetic and down-bad and are only making Mike a loser just to make Will look better, then respectfully, I don’t want it
Power bottom Mike Wheeler feat. Service top Will Byers I know that’s right
Idk about you, but literally nothing has convinced me of androgynous Mike Wheeler more than Finn Wolfhard rocking full-on stiletto boots
Like go off king💋
If I had a nickel for every time I shipped two characters named Mike and Will, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.