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another one, thank you
i love my crazy ass gay monster show bc what are these plots lmao
tower scene didnt feel like a rejection when i first watched it because i felt the spirit of van scene mike wheeler in that room
Duffers said “Mike is straight” and Finn said like hell he is
will telling his new uni friends about his whole 'falling for his straight best friend' thing after they all shared their stories and them all staring at him like 'man, that guy was not fucking straight, are you insane, he did WHAT?'
will: yeah idk he stared at my lips a lot and always spoke to me in a softer voice than anyone else and could only say ily to his gf/my sister after I encouraged him to through telling him my feelings and me being right by him, and everyone thought we had a special relationship and he went against cops to try and find me when i went missing and said he recognised my breathing on the walkie talkie and got super defensive over the fact we were friends and... why are you all looking at me like that?
"mike was the first person to treat el with kindness and like a human being"
put some respect on his fucking name please
Not really a fan of Bridgerton, but I am a fan of Nicola Coughlan's response to everyone shitting on her for being "too big" to play a love interest
100% of my exposure to Bridgerton has been Nicola Coulaghlan talking about how great her breasts are, and that's perfectly fine by me
Also this specific image, which crosses my feed every 4-5 months
In the Stranger Things documentary, the writers talk about El representing magic. She has to leave, has to be gone. The kids are growing up. “The door to Narnia closes.” (1hr 22min left)
The difference between El and a wardrobe: she’s a person.
(I also want to give a little grace, these are professionals, I’m not coming for them. They’re being edited, I don’t know the full context. But I’d like to use this as a writing/analysis exercise).
Let’s unpack this idea. I’m going to do it better.
I believe the challenge the Duffers have with the finale is two-fold.
1. What story is the writer personally invested in?
2. Is every character considered as a full person? If not, is there a compelling reason?
I’m going to workshop the idea of El representing magic/childhood adventure and how I would write it. I don’t even think it’s a strong pitch.
What do I, the author, want to say? (Let’s return to this question).
What does El want to say?
This is interesting. What is El’s relationship to growing up? Her childhood? She’s been making adult decisions since we’ve met her. But is treated like a child. Being an actual adult would give her more control, agency: so she’s yearning to grow up quick.
We see this in her interactions with Hop. They’re mirrors. Both of them have an immature idea of adulthood based on control (they don’t share their plans, and they’re prone to big acts of self sacrifice).
By contrast: El’s other narrative parallel is Will. In season two (I believe) he’s trying to hang on to his childhood because of the trauma of his kidnapping. He does have a perception of what he’s lost, unlike El. His reaction is opposite: he gives himself more chances to be a kid. I like this. Good on you, Will.
What do I want to say about childhood, growing up, magic? My personal belief is it’s never too late, you’re never too old, play and fun and magic is a human thing, not a childhood thing.
El doesn’t have to leave. Even if she thinks it’s the mature or adult or sensible thing to do. That’s not growing up. And I would have characters ALL SEASON showing her what childhood is like for them. Small moments.
Maybe Will takes her away from training and teaches her d&d, at her own pace. Shows her castle Byers. Maybe Hopper reveals something about his own childhood he doesn’t do anymore, barely remembers. Maybe Mike lets her write some of his campaign. Steve throws a baseball with her; Lucas runs the obstacle course against her time; Robin teaches her how to do the “rockin Robin” voice; Dustin tells her a weird reference he learned from Eddie.
El leaving/dying to represent the other characters growing up, closing a chapter of their lives? That doesn’t say anything. That doesn’t mean anything. She can be a symbol if she has to be. But what is her relationship to the symbol? What does she mean to herself?
The result of her decision is less important than the setup. The finale is rough because the setup isn’t there.
Will El sacrifice her childhood? Will she represent a close of a chapter? The setup must define what childhood looks like. And I’d want to see it from each character, and watch each of them choose to grow up (immaturely, by doing the “right thing”) or find ways to reinvent what childhood means.
We could have ended with El in the basement too.
God. Yes. All of this.
El “representing the magic of childhood” may have functioned as an ending for s1, when she was just a brief moment in the character’s lives - having an impact in the world, but ultimately nothing more than a magical memory. This works because she wasn’t a complex character and didn’t really have a life outside of what she represented.
This doesn’t work when she has been fully developed as a character - with wants, needs, and autonomy of her own. Her entire story had been building towards her becoming something more than just a piece of childhood. The entire show has been about El growing and learning to exist in the world, despite everything that tried to stop her (be it monsters or people, like Angela).
The natural conclusion of her story would mean finally getting the payoff for all of this. And building to her learning more about herself through connections with the other characters would’ve been so beautiful and sent an incredibly meaningful message about healing through kindness and community.
Instead, to fit the ending they’ve “had planned since s2”, the duffers had to literally rip away everything that made El a complex, developed person - her wants, needs, and autonomy. Everything outside her relationship to Mike was poorly written off. The only way they could have her fit the “magic of childhood” story was to reduce her once more to who she was before her growth.
The parts of El that made her a person had to be removed for her to fit their narrative. Her character and arc has no influence on this! Which is why having a plan in mind for a characters ending that you’ve been set on from the beginning fails when you let that character grow so far beyond it.
fantastic addition by @roman-god-of-ikea
i “say steve convinced himself that he liked robin because of societal expectations and insistence from dustin” and no one bats an eye. i say “mike convinced himself that he liked el because of societal expectations and insistence from lucas” and SOCIETY
I have to share this here this is so fucking insane
The queerbait brothers better be embarrassed as hell
and for all the people that say “yea but unrequited love doesn’t mean bad writing” YOU ARE RIGHT, i agree. not in this fucking case tho. they gave so many signs that the love would be reciprocated and that they would eventually get their well deserved happy ending but instead they said “fuck you we will make mike the biggest asshole and make him mourn El forever. oh and btw he can’t read a fucking room about emotional clues to save his fucking life”.
yes, unrequited love doesn’t mean bad writing. but when you build your set so well and your characters so calculated, you can’t make it not queerbait.
also???? how is mike will’s Tammy??? LIKE??? ARE WE BLIND GUYS?? so you’re telling me within 24 hours will said “no, mike is just someone i was in love with for 10 years, stupidddddd, i’ll just get over him give me a sec- TAAAA DAAAAAA he’s my Tammy”. WHAAAT??? making metaphors means that the message you’re trying to send across has to be clear. so was mike in a different class from will and he just looked at him on the hallway or did tammy became robin’s best friend that we accidentally forgot to add that whole storyline?? either way it doesn’t add up!!! it’s almost concerning how they thought they could end this ship by comparing it to a hallway crush.
again. BAD WRITING.
where did they address the painting, the van scene, mike’s feelings???? they said that mikes emotional baggage would pay off??? where?? fucking queerbait. AGAIN.
lastly and MOST importantly i would like to add that they’re sly snakes. they killed off eleven so if any of us said “what about byler” they would just simply brush it off with “mike is not over her”. they couldn’t make byler after eleven died it wouldve looked horrible and forced. what about before tho?
again. SLOPPY BAD WRITING.
queer characters are not plot holes for you to put on your show. queer characters are the reason queer teens feel accepted and connected with their sexuality and self. don’t try to paint this in a different light it makes you look even worse.
cheers to the biggest queerbait in history, welcome 2026! fuck u duffers.
"its up for interpretation" and "maybe it happened off screen" becoming inside jokes in this fandom is so funny
Do we remember when this shot of Will meant something and this shot of Mike didn’t?
me who never not once not even for a second believed conformitygate was real when conformitygate ends up not being real
and at the end of the day i just miss when i had hope. i just miss the person i was the day after thanksgiving. i miss when i fought past my cynicism to actually believe that a queer story could be treated with equal respect and care as any other story.
cutgate son or conformitygate daughter
Not only is Max not being blind in Season 5 a huge plot hole, it honestly just feels like… proof that the show has zero stakes anymore 💀
Like — in Season 4, it was pretty clear she was blind. Her eyes looked terrifying, she literally says she can’t see anything, she dies for a whole minute, and everyone went, “Okay, she’ll probably wake up in Season 5, but she’s going to have serious long-term damage.” Which made sense! That felt heavy. Sad. Real. Consequences!
And then Season 5 shows up like:
Max: wakes up
The party: “Hey queen, your brightness is just a little too high, give it a second 👍”
Sorry?? That’s it?? She just needed to… recalibrate??
She was Vecna-snapped like a pretzel and suddenly it’s just,
“Yeah she’s fine now, anyway moving on 🙂”
No explanation. No recovery arc. No “oh Eleven healed her in X way” or anything.
It feels less like character development and more like the writers went:
“Wait, actually we don’t want permanent consequences.”
And control-Z’d the angst.
And like — I love Max. I don’t want her suffering forever. But when every huge moment just gets undone, it starts to feel like none of it ever mattered in the first place. It could have been a super whumpy plotline, and i love to make my favorites…sorry🫣
Anyway yeah, that one really took me out of it. Curious if anyone else noticed or if I’m just yelling to the wall lol
the ending pissing everyone off so much we are convinced that this is all vecna’s plan is so funny to me
conformitygate is a win win situation in my eyes because if it’s real then the ending probably won’t be shit but if it’s fake then the duffers have to deal with the humiliation that their ending was so dog shit that ppl created theories that it was fake 😭