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honourablejester

I am deeply offended by this! I was reading thoughts on what D&D classes the characters of The Mummy (1999) would be, and there was a comment that Jonathan was obviously a rogue, but either a badly built one or one with shit dice rolls. And! Excuse you? Jonathan is a perfectly acceptable rogue! He rolls fine when he’s actually attempting to do something!

In the first movie alone, some of his greatest hits:

Successfully pickpocketed Rick on their first meeting, without Rick so much as joining the dots until later.

Survives a pitched battle on a burning ship without a scratch, and somehow gets the key from a burning hook-handed enemy mook in the process. (“And did I panic? I think not!”)

Survives a pitched battle in the Hamunaptra ruins while drunk, through liberal use of cover and picking off targets at range.

Rolls a Nat 20 on his deception check to avoid being massacred by a large group of hynotised enemies in the museum.

Survives the final pitched battle with the undead (again, through liberal use of cover, hiding and running).

Successfully makes his intelligence roll to translate the Book of Amun Ra (with the Help action from Evie).

Successfully uses the resulting control over the undead mooks to even out the battlefield, including the genius brain move of sending them after Ankh-Su-Namun to both save Evie and distract Imhotep.

Successfully pickpockets a lich while being strangled by him to regain the key and enable Evie to use the book to banish Imhotep altogether.

Yes, he’s fairly flimsy in direct battle, and if at all possible refuses to get to melee range with anybody. So he’s a ranged rogue, and has a tendency to use the environment to his advantage. But he’s clearly designed around Sleight of Hand, Charisma, and a decent sprinkling of Intelligence, and prefers to use object interactions and battlefield control to even out his odds. For all that, though, he fully will stay in melee range if he has no other choice, and take the opportunity to pickpocket the BBEG while he’s at it.

He's a perfectly serviceable rogue, he’s just not optimised for straight combat. And even there, as the second movie shows, he’s excellent at ranged combat. He just doesn’t like getting up close and personal.

honourablejester

Actually, going back and rewatching that final battle again ... I don't think that Jonathan stayed in range of Imhotep because he had no choice. He stayed in range specifically to pickpocket him.

I didn't realise before, but this whole battle starts with Evie telling Jonathan that the only way to kill Imhotep is to open the book and read the spell to banish him. Jonathan says it's locked, they need the key, and Evie then tells him it's in Imhotep's robes.

When Jonathan sends the priest mummies after Ankh-Su-Namun with the spell on the cover (saving both Rick and Evie in the process), Imhotep is coming right for him. However, Imhotep is then briefly disabled by watching the brutal murder of his lover all over again, and Jonathan ... could have run. There's a beat there where Imhotep is completely focused on something else, and Jonathan absolutely has the presence of mind to use that, but he doesn't. Imhotep, now incensed that Jonathan has murdered his lover, promptly spins back around and goes to murder him back, and is only stopped because Rick returns the favour from earlier and saves him.

At which point a lightly-strangled Jonathan stands back up and tells Evie he got the key.

He fucking stayed put on purpose because he knew they needed the key, that Imhotep had the key, and that he was the only person who could fucking pickpocket the BBEG mid-strangulation and get away with it, so long as someone could swoop in before the undead wizard actually killed him. Imhotep is immortal and immune to damage if they don't do something about that. This is a fight of attrition they cannot win. And his sister told him what they needed to stop it, so Jonathan went and got it.

He cheerfully calls himself a coward, and then he goes and fatally pisses off a lich as a distraction, and then stands still to be murdered for it in order to get close enough to pickpocket the immortal pissed off undead. It wasn't that he took the opportunity while being strangled, he set up being strangled in order to have the opportunity.

Say whatever the hell you like about that man, but he has never once failed to do something his family actually needed him to do.

tenleaguesbeneath

Given the movie's release date, it's not that he's a 5e rogue but not one optimized for melee combat, he's a 2nd-edition thief.

staypuftmarshmallowqueen

although I agree about 2nd Ed rogue, Jonathan is entirely doable as a 5e rogue and/or bard, it's just that too many people want to minmax a rogue for combat when it's honestly their least valuable skill in the overall 5e setting. versatility is a rogue's real power, which Jonathan (as OP points out) has in spades. (bards as well and I think you can argue a multiclass here)

sure he's not rocking a pair of ideal weapons or a blood fury tattoo, but he's perfectly good at range when needed (crossbow rogue), and more importantly his primary job is making everyone else's job easier/more likely to succeed.

he's got charisma, he's got sleight of hand, he's got languages, he's got history--he's an arcane trickster/thief rogue from 5e easily, or an eloquence bard with some cleric or rogue. throw in a dot of wizard if you wanna lean on the utility even more, as he clearly does.

Rick (Fighter/Ranger) and Ardeth (Paladin) are the melee/tank sorts. Evie is a knowledge cleric or a lore bard, maybe a wizard, fight me. And Jonathan is definitely a thief.

honourablejester

I was going to say definitely wizard for Evie, seeing as how, much like her brother, that woman has never passed a wisdom save in her life, but then I remembered that my own knowledge cleric Kossi used her high wis saves to basically be Evie on steroids, poking her nose into absolutely everything in the blithe confidence that she could probably handle the consequences. So, um. Yeah. Knowledge cleric could also be a thing.

Mind you, I could also see Arcane Trickster for Evie too, or a rogue/wizard multiclass. She has the exact same avaricious instincts as her brother, they’re just towards knowledge rather than treasure. Again, I love so much that while Hamunaptra was actively collapsing around them, both Jonathan AND Evie had to be physically pulled away, Jonathan from lost gold and Evie from lost books. They are siblings, they really, really are. Evie also has the reincarnation-induced knife fighting instincts, so I could definitely see the rogue/wizard or arcane trickster argument.

For Ardeth, I might lean towards ranger, given Horus. Also he just seems like a man with a high Wisdom stat. The sole member of this party in possession of one, in fact. Heh. Ancients or watcher paladin does also work, though.

Rick is 100% a fighter. You could make an argument for swashbuckler rogue? But he really just feels like a fighter who’s having fun.

snstitre

loracarol

The Mummy — Characters

This movie…

I love this movie. So much.

belphegor1982

Me too. The characters are so great - I particularly love Jonathan :o] (Also, I really should work on the multi-chaptered epic story I’ve begun waaay back in 2004…)

insubordinatesaint-deactivated2

“You’ll always have me, old mum.” -Jonathan Carnahan, The Mummy

nataliasromanoff

“Death is only the beginning.” | The Mummy (1999)

eviecarnahan

hellbigs-deactivated20140802

likefromseinfeld

You don’t fuck with perfection.

broodinghunx

#top ten best movies ever made tbh

pactressia-blog

“If we’re going to play together, we must learn to share.”

The Mummy (1999)

nefertiris

zombeesknees

#honestly if you’d asked me what i wanted from a Mummy sequel before they made it #whatever i could possibly have answered they somehow managed to hit #BATTLE MARRIEDS #EVIE GETS ADVENTURESS OUTFITS #AND ANKH-SUN-AMUN IS THERE TOO #AND ARDETH IS AROUND A LOT #AND EVIE AND RICK LIVE IN A MANSION AND ARE IMPLIED TO SPEND THEIR TIME ADVENTURING AND GETTING NAKED #ALSO EVIE GETS SOME RAPHAEL STYLE FORK THINGS AT ONE POINT #AND GOES OFF WITH THEM #PLUS THERE’S A DIRIGIBLE #THK U STEPHEN SOMMERS

deducecanoe-deactivated20161213

She was so gorgeous and charming in these films. Not that ageist all the rest of the time but I was so in love with her in those movies. So in love.

nefertiris

#squad goals

nefertiris

favorite duos (of all time and kind): evy & rick, the mummy & the mummy returns. ↳ “listen, we’ve got to do something! once the creature’s been reborn, his curse is going to spread until the whole of the earth is destroyed!”

loriendesse

indyfinitely

If he turns me into a mummy, you’re the first one I’m coming after.

shiftglass

Take that, Bembridge Scholars!

The Mummy is a film about a woman having a marvellous time, and I think that’s so beautiful.

noblealice

#i had a marvellous time watching her have a marvellous time

thisisnotatrashcan

Yes, let’s just ignore that whole part in the middle where she was being hunted by a mummy who tried to use her body as a vessel for his dead lover.

shiftglass

I’ve seen a handful of comments like this and I just wanted to address it because I think it’s worth talking about. I realise my summation of the film is flippant; it was an attempt at irony because obviously the movie is full of gruesome death and dismemberment, and I fully agree that Evie is terrorized. But that’s not what the film is about. It’s not about Evie the human sacrifice - that’s something that happens to her but it isn’t who she is.

The point is, the whole plot of The Mummy literally could not happen without Evie pursuing the thing that she loves.

They go out to Hamunaptra because Evie is passionate about knowledge and discovery, and when they get there she is in her element - she is loving every minute of it and she is proud of herself and she is absolutely going to kiss Mr O’Connell. But once that thirst for knowledge and discovery inadvertantly raises Imhotep, and there is literally fire and brimstone raining from the sky, and everyone else is running and hiding, she never ever once despairs. She accepts responsibility, she owns her mistake and she refuses to believe there is nothing to be done. She follows her passions again and decides that more knowledge and more discovery is what’s required. And she’s right. She finds the answer and she takes triumphant pleasure in proving to herself that she is a greater scholar than the ones at Bembridge, the ones who have repeatedly found her lacking.

Do you realise how rare it is for a female character’s intellectual pursuit to be the thing that kicks off the action and the thing that saves the day, AND a source of ultimate joy in her life?

When Imhotep comes for her she goes without a fight, to save her companions’ lives, because she knows that’s the best chance they have. When Rick and Jonathan and Ardeth come to save her she is pivotal in her own rescue. She is never a Damsel, she is always part of the team.

And then Evie SAVES THE WORLD. She saves the world by doing the thing that she loves and is good at. She saves the world, she gets the guy, and they ride off into the sunset with some treasure. And really, that’s a pretty good end to a day.