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Forgive this long wall of text, but I genuinely need to talk about this as a conditioned system myself
Please do not take this as an attack or with any negative connotation, I'm doing this in informative faith in hope to educate on something. If you'd like to speak more about this please say it in the answer of the ask and I'll personally reach out to you in DMs (I do not wish to expose myself in public)
This text will have sensitive topics such as TBMC, programed systems and general RAMCOA systems, nothing explicit but it's gonna be mentioned and discussed to a certain level, please proceed with caution
This term isn't new coined, not to attack you or be mad about it, but it's understandable you might not know about this as an already existing thing because it's barely talked around in system spaces
A conditioned system is one that suffered TBMC (torture based mind control), it's important to note that MC has a lot of ways to be done by the abusers and processed by the brain. The most significant thing about the MC of a programmed system and a conditioned system is around the abusers intention
While a programmed system is characterized by the abusers using the MC for making alters to control the system in an internal level, a conditioned system won't have this type of control, many times the abusers won't even know DID exists, therefore don't know that dissociative fragmentation is a possibility to ensure the MC. Instead in a conditioned system the torture and abuse is lead in a general note, conditioning something specific but treating the system as a whole singular individual
"Conditioned Systems don't have specific programs their system adheres to, but is instead broadly influenced to function a certain way, usually to the appeal of an abuser"
Conditioned systems can't have programs, a program is an internal reaction deliberately created in the internal system. While it's true we can have something similar, program isn't the word, it's a trigger, a conditioned reaction, and these reactions are tied to the appeal of the abusers because they make the victim obey them with the conditioning
"Meant specifically for abuse and grooming victims however if this term fits you in some way and you're not a victim we won't gatekeep"
The correct word, at least in conditioned systems context, isn't grooming, its mind control. While it's true a conditioned system can be a victim of grooming that isn't exactly what makes them conditioned
I personally think it's not ok to say that if you're not a victim you can use this as it falls under the RAMCOA umbrella, after all, a conditioned system is the MC part of the label, just in a way that's less seen than programed systems. If you make a different term that doesn't use the word conditioned I don't mind at all, I totally get why you want a term that's specific but not gatekeep, I just think this isn't the correct word to leave that possibility
I am not saying you're not a real conditioned system if you fall into the meaning of this, I'm no one to fakeclaim or talk about your trauma or experience, specially because it made me realize you make a poorly written version of this already existing term and I want to share how some things of the wording can be improved and that there's much more of this topic for you to learn about
I don't know what else I can personally say about this, I hope my tone wasn't too harsh, I tried to be the most neutral I could with a topic this delicate
I'll be patiently hoping to see an answer to this, please, do take care and stay safe π«Ά
This is very useful information , thank you .
We really appreciate this feedback , we tried asking around before making the term for criticism and such but was given none , and then when we posted it we also got none sadly . It felt wrong to have this term ' s creation rest solely on our shoulders .
Would you happen to have resources on what you're saying and / or suggestions for changes to the term ? ( Such as names / etc )
We ' d love to do more research on this .
