Rosegate Masterpost
I talk way too much about this theory so I figured I might as well make a list of all the posts that I consider relevant and important so nobody has to slave through my blog for context. Turned out to be way too fucking LONG though. RIP to you I guess (please read about this theory please please please *gives you the biggest wettest saddest eyes*).
Really the only purpose of this post is to pin it.
Anyways. All the information is under cut:
Up front, I wouldnt call this a theory because a lot of it are connections I noticed, but I dont have a "conclusion". Its mostly based on the usage of rose symbolism in the show, starting from the urn sitting on the wheeler mantle place in the background to the Creel House door. Added with the similarities between the Wheeler home and the Creel home. I wouldnt otherwise think this is relevant but it changes randomly at the end of ST4 and I cannot ignore that.
If I were to summarize in one sentence: I think the Wheelers are supernaturally connected possibly through the elusive Nana Wheeler that seems to perpetually haunt the narrative.
I made this master post in 2022- the post get more recent to the bottom. I probably havent included every single post ever I have made about this but just the ones I think are important :)
It would not be fair if I don't give credit to @boysdontcryboycry as the co-founder of this theory because they do So Much and they're Great!!
Anyways here are the links:
Basically....
A humorous brief overview
Also Something Longer I Wrote
Rosegate General
The Urn Watch Post (TM) aka the Rosegate Bible (Post Credit Goes to User boysdontcryboycry)
More Wheeler Home-Creel Home Similarities
Fake Urns with Roses on Them All Over the Wheeler Home
More Urn Shenanigans (aka T(urns) Outs the Mantle Urn Has Pink Flowers (Roses?)) on it! (Post Credit Goes to User boysdontcryboycry)
Mantle Urn Changing/Holly and Her lite brite/”Mothergate”
The Urn Intentionally Changed for the ST4 Climax
Blonde Mothers Association With Roses
S4 thoughts surrounding female conformity (pink/white/blue color symbolism+roses etc): Part 1
S4 thoughts surrounding female conformity (pink/white/blue color symbolism+roses etc): Part 2
Dustin Ringing The Wheeler Doorbell Scene in ST2 Possibly Referenced Three Times in ST4 (Steve + Jonathan + Victor- The Duffers confirmed they're returning to things left out of ST2 in ST5 so I just think this is very interesting plus Shaun Levy has said every scene has a purpose- read "PTSD" Pt.1 & 2 under Long Misc if interested)
Billy’s Mom/El Rose Symbolism
Possible Oedipus Reference
Virginia Reflections + Grandfather Clock in Creel Attic (Trailer)
Short Thoughts on Rose Symbolism in Creel Home Pt.1
Short Thoughts on Rose Symbolism in Creel Home Pt.2
El’s S1 Blonde Wig Confirmed to Have Belonged to Nana Wheeler? Lol Pt.1 (Post Credit Goes to User coldninjaruins-blog) Pt.1
El’s S1 Blonde Wig Confirmed to Have Belonged to Nana Wheeler? Lol Pt.2
Shared Characteristics Amongst Some Female Characters (Clothing, Jewelry, Hairstyles) Pt.1
Shared Characteristics Amongst Some Female Characters (Clothing, Jewelry, Hairstyles) Pt.2
Shared Characteristics Amongst Some Female Characters (Clothing, Jewelry, Hairstyles) Pt.3- Nancy/Karen Edition
Shared Characteristics Amongst Some Female Characters (Clothing, Jewelry, Hairstyles) Pt.4- Nancy/Karen Edition
Karen/Angela Clothing Parallels
Victor = Spiders??
Rosemary’s Baby
Initial Rosemary’s Baby x ST Thoughts
Karen/Nancy/Terry/Rosemary All in Blue Nightgowns
Possible Steve/Guy Woodhouse Parallel
Rosemary’s Baby Pink+White Outfits
Grid Symbolism in Rosemary’s Baby
Long post on Rose Symbolism (plus others) in Rosemary’s Baby and ST
Thoughts on Nuclear Family Dynamics in ST and Parallels to Rosemary’s Baby
Pendulum Clock and Other Time Symbolism in Rosemary’s Baby
Rosemary’s Baby and Stranger Things Clock Symbolism
“Aren’t You His Mother?”
Gingham/Roses imagery?
Mr Castevet’s Speech
The Shining
Holly- Henry “Explorers” Parallel Possibly Being a Reference to The Shining
The Shining Visual Parallels (Karen = The Woman in the Bathtub? Jack Torrance = Victor?)
Will Byers/Danny Torrance Parallel?
The Shining and KarenTed
More Karen/The Woman in the Bathtub
If you are also interested I suggest you read Rob Agers analysis of The Shining because its very fascinating and goes into mirror symbolism, bathroom symbolism, and intentional production "errors" and how this all intersects with denial that is also utilized in ST. Warning for discussion of CSA, sexual abuse, and physical abuse. You will find that it is pretty enlightening, even if you don't subscribe to a lot of it.
Long Misc (rosegate related thoughts pre rosegate itself)
“Bad” Blonde Mothers Reoccuring in The Show
TODFTHR (Post Credit Goes to User stranger-chichka)
PTSD Parallels Pt.1
PTSD Parallels Pt. 2
Updates
*Some of this stuff may be repetitive, I'm just collecting posts*
The Curious Case of The Dead Wheeler Granny
Are the ages in TFS weird age fuckery or just canon inconsistencies/retcons? (link to @/aemiron-main's blog because for some reason this iteration of the post wont link to mine -.-)
Alice Creel Haunting Funerals
Oedipus the King in ST
Henry and Jason's Monologues: Are They Mirrors of One Another?
Some S4 Rosemary Coding Thoughts
The Talisman
Wheeler Family and "normalcy"
Rose Connie
Mike, Victor, Fred, and Ted: weird murder/killing & PTSD subtext
The Changeling/Rosemary's Baby/The Devils Advocate/The Omen: Anti-christ media
Short Misc (random small thoughts/shitposts etc etc, may not have context to them but I think they're neat)
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Post ST5 Updates!!
Look For Anything Thats Out of Place (anon ask)
Extreme Conspiratorial ST5 Theory
^ Is not relevant to Nana but this part 2 to the post above I wrote here is
NINA references in The Vanishing of Holly Wheeler (may be Nana related but not explicitly)
More Dream Warriors - The Vanishing of Holly Wheeler Thoughts (may be Nana related but not explicitly)
The Breit-Wheeler Process (may be Nana related but not explicitly)
Nana=One=The Consumer =The Missing Piece?
Nana And The Wheeler Basement (post credit to @/heroesbyler but I made a dumb little addition)
Nana Reference? Tina and Cruella De Vil and Mrs. Massey From The Shining
The Missing Piece of the Puzzle, The One, The Consumer, A Vampire (this one is a compilation of images more than anything)
Dr Kay- Joyce ST5 Parallel
Wheeler TV Glitched To A Future Episode of Knight Rider About A Burglar In A Blonde Wig The Night of Will's Disappearance
In short:
