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Cassie (Animorphs) VS Daenerys Targaryen (A Song of Ice and Fire)

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Cassie:

Hugs trees, heals animals, pacifist forced into a war. She's beauty, she's grace, turns into a wolf to eat your face.

[mikastormborn]

Propaganda for Daenerys:

They rode by night, and by day took refuge from the sun beneath their tents. Soon enough Dany learned the truth of Doreah's words. This was no kindly country. They left a trail of dead and dying horses behind them as they went, for Pono, Jhaqo, and the others had seized the best of Drogo's herds, leaving to Dany the old and the scrawny, the sickly and the lame, the broken animals and the ill-tempered. It was the same with the people. They are not strong, she told herself, so I must be their strength. I must show no fear, no weakness, no doubt. However frightened my heart, when they look upon my face they must see only Drogo's queen. She felt older than her fourteen years. If ever she had truly been a girl, that time was done. (A Clash of Kings, Daenerys I)

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" Why do the gods make kings and queens, if not to protect the ones who can't protect themselves?" (A Storm of Swords, Daenerys III)

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"Let them come. In me they shall find a sterner foe than Cleon. I would sooner perish fighting than return my children to bondage." (A Dance with Dragons, Daenerys IV)

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A queen belongs not to herself but to her people. (A Dance with Dragons, Daenerys V)

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"The best calumnies are spiced with truth," suggested Qavo, "but the girl's true sin cannot be denied. This arrogant child has taken it upon herself to smash the slave trade, but that traffic was never confined to Slaver's Bay. It was part of the sea of trade that spanned the world, and the dragon queen has clouded the water. Behind the Black Wall, lords of ancient blood sleep poorly, listening as their kitchen slaves sharpen their long knives. Slaves grow our food, clean our streets, teach our young. They guard our walls, row our galleys, fight our battles. And now when they look east, they see this young queen shining from afar, this breaker of chains. The Old Blood cannot suffer that. Poor men hate her too. Even the vilest beggar stands higher than a slave. This dragon queen would rob him of that consolation." (A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion VI)

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"I am no lady," the widow replied, "just Vogarro's whore. You want to be gone from here before the tigers come. Should you reach your queen [Daenerys], give her a message from the slaves of Old Volantis." She touched the faded scar upon her wrinkled cheek, where her tears had been cut away. "Tell her we are waiting. Tell her to come soon." (A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion VII)

She also helps sick refugees personally, putting her health at risk (because they were contagious) and bathes and old man with her own hands:

I have no more help to give, Dany thought, despairing. The Astapori had no place to go. Thousands remained outside Meereen's thick walls—men and women and children, old men and little girls and newborn babes. Many were sick, most were starved, and all were doomed to die. Daenerys dare not open her gates to let them in. She had tried to do what she could for them. She had sent them healers, Blue Graces and spell-singers and barber-surgeons, but some of those had sickened as well, and none of their arts had slowed the galloping progression of the flux that had come on the pale mare. Separating the healthy from the sick had proved impractical as well. Her Stalwart Shields had tried, pulling husbands away from wives and children from their mothers, even as the Astapori wept and kicked and pelted them with stones. A few days later, the sick were dead and the healthy ones were sick. Dividing the one from the other had accomplished nothing.

Even feeding them had grown difficult. Every day she sent them what she could, but every day there were more of them and less food to give them. It was growing harder to find drivers willing to deliver the food as well. Too many of the men they had sent into the camp had been stricken by the flux themselves. Others had been attacked on the way back to the city. Yesterday a wagon had been overturned and two of her soldiers killed, so today the queen had determined that she would bring the food herself. Every one of her advisors had argued fervently against it, from Reznak and the Shavepate to Ser Barristan, but Daenerys would not be moved. "I will not turn away from them," she said stubbornly. "A queen must know the sufferings of her people."

Suffering was the only thing they did not lack. "There is scarcely a horse or mule left, though many rode from Astapor," Marselen reported to her. "They've eaten every one, Your Grace, along with every rat and scavenger dog that they could catch. Now some have begun to eat their own dead."

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Ser Barristan watched with ill-concealed apprehension. "You should not linger here overlong, Your Grace. The Astapori are being fed, as you commanded. There's no more we can do for the poor wretches. We should repair back to the city."

"Go if you wish, ser. I will not detain you. I will not detain any of you." Dany vaulted down from the horse. "I cannot heal them, but I can show them that their Mother cares."

Jhogo sucked in his breath. "Khaleesi, no." The bell in his braid rang softly as he dismounted. "You must not get any closer. Do not let them touch you! Do not!"

Dany walked right past him. There was an old man on the ground a few feet away, moaning and staring up at the grey belly of the clouds. She knelt beside him, wrinkling her nose at the smell, and pushed back his dirty grey hair to feel his brow. "His flesh is on fire. I need water to bathe him. Seawater will serve. Marselen, will you fetch some for me? I need oil as well, for the pyre. Who will help me burn the dead?"

By the time Aggo returned with Grey Worm and fifty of the Unsullied loping behind his horse, Dany had shamed all of them into helping her. (A Dance with Dragons, Daenerys VI)

@rainhadaenerys let's win this for Dany!

[mikastormborn]

More Daenerys propaganda

While crossing the dessert she gives a dying person water from her own skin and refuses to leave until she gave her last breath:

Doreah took a fever and grew worse with every league they crossed. Her lips and hands broke with blood blisters, her hair came out in clumps, and one evenfall she lacked the strength to mount her horse. Jhogo said they must leave her or bind her to her saddle, but Dany remembered a night on the Dothraki sea, when the Lysene girl had taught her secrets so that Drogo might love her more. She gave Doreah water from her own skin, cooled her brow with a damp cloth, and held her hand until she died, shivering. Only then would she permit the khalasar to press on. (A Clash of Kings - Daenerys I)

She swears a powerful revenge upon two men who gang-raped and killed a girl she tried to protect:

"Eroeh?" asked Dany, remembering the frightened child she had saved outside the city of the Lamb Men.

"Mago seized her, who is Khal Jhaqo's bloodrider now," said Jhogo. "He mounted her high and low and gave her to his khal, and Jhaqo gave her to his other bloodriders. They were six. When they were done with her, they cut her throat."

"It was her fate, Khaleesi," said Aggo.

If I look back I am lost. "It was a cruel fate," Dany said, "yet not so cruel as Mago's will be. I promise you that, by the old gods and the new, by the lamb god and the horse god and every god that lives. I swear it by the Mother of Mountains and the Womb of the World. Before I am done with them, Mago and Ko Jhaqo will plead for the mercy they showed Eroeh."

The Dothraki exchanged uncertain glances. "Khaleesi," the handmaid Irri explained, as if to a child, "Jhaqo is a khal now, with twenty thousand riders at his back."

She lifted her head. "And I am Daenerys Stormborn, Daenerys of House Targaryen, of the blood of Aegon the Conqueror and Maegor the Cruel and old Valyria before them. I am the dragon's daughter, and I swear to you, these men will die screaming. Now bring me to Khal Drogo." (A Game of Thrones - Daenerys IX)

She plays into the misogynistic views people have on her only to subvert them:

But it was Prendahl na Ghezn who spoke for the sellswords. "You would do well to take your rabble elsewhere," he said. "You took Astapor by treachery, but Yunkai shall not fall so easily."

"Five hundred of your Stormcrows against ten thousand of my Unsullied," said Dany. "I am only a young girl and do not understand the ways of war, yet these odds seem poor to me." (A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV)

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Full dark had fallen by the time the Yunkai'i departed from her camp. It promised to be a gloomy night; moonless, starless, with a chill wet wind blowing from the west. A fine black night, thought Dany. The fires burned all around her, small orange stars strewn across hill and field. "Ser Jorah," she said, "summon my bloodriders." Dany seated herself on a mound of cushions to await them, her dragons all about her. When they were assembled, she said, "An hour past midnight should be time enough."

"Yes, Khaleesi," said Rakharo. "Time for what?"

"To mount our attack."

Ser Jorah Mormont scowled. "You told the sellswords—"

"—that I wanted their answers on the morrow. I made no promises about tonight. The Stormcrows will be arguing about my offer. The Second Sons will be drunk on the wine I gave Mero. And the Yunkai'i believe they have three days. We will take them under cover of this darkness."

"They will have scouts watching for us."

"And in the dark, they will see hundreds of campfires burning," said Dany. "If they see anything at all."

"Khaleesi," said Jhogo, "I will deal with these scouts. They are no riders, only slavers on horses."

"Just so," she agreed. "I think we should attack from three sides. Grey Worm, your Unsullied shall strike at them from right and left, while my kos lead my horse in wedge for a thrust through their center. Slave soldiers will never stand before mounted Dothraki." She smiled. "To be sure, I am only a young girl and know little of war. What do you think, my lords?"

"I think you are Rhaegar Targaryen's sister," Ser Jorah said with a rueful half smile.

"Aye," said Arstan Whitebeard, "and a queen as well." (A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV)

She is the queen of burns :

"The Stormcrows do not stand alone," said Prendahl.

"Stormcrows do not stand at all. They fly, at the first sign of thunder. Perhaps you should be flying now. I have heard that sellswords are notoriously unfaithful. What will it avail you to be staunch, when the Second Sons change sides?" (A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV)

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"The Second Sons have faced worse odds and won."

"The Second Sons have faced worse odds and run. At Qohor, when the Three Thousand made their stand. Or do you deny it?" (A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV)

THIS quote !!!!

"Woman, you bray like an ass, and make no more sense."

"Woman?" She chuckled. "Is that meant to insult me? I would return the slap, if I took you for a man." Dany met his stare. "I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the Unburnt, Mother of Dragons, khaleesi to Drogo's riders, and queen of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros." (A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV)

And she tamed a freaking dragon with nothing but a word and a whip!!!!!!

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Vote for Dany!

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Emilia’s thoughts on that ending

And this was from a recent interview from promoting her new show: Ponies. Emilia has made it clear that she’s moved on and made her peace with that disgusting ending. But unlike Sophie Turner who likes it or Kit Harrington who insults the fans for hating it, Emilia defended the fans before and here she reveals her thoughts. She says what we all know… it was horrible. It came out of fucking nowhere. No matter what the hacks or the stupid Dany haters say about “the signs being there” they never were there. It was out of nowhere. Emilia was one of the few who read the books because she wanted to do Dany justice and she always do her best to try and make Dany human when those sexist hacks wanted her to be cold and stoic. Emilia poured her heart and soul into this character only to get treated the worst by the sexist dumb as shit hacks. And I am just so heartbroken over that. She had two brain aneurysms while filming and she said Dany helped save her life. She loves her fans and she never turned her back on them unlike others. She actually read the books and really understood her character. And she agrees with us that the ending was out of nowhere and it was just… bad. She really deserved better. 🥺😭

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Of course she was happy with that shit ending. She was the recipient of the hacks’ favoritism.

[swanyra]

add a formerly extinct species to the ‘named after the greatest fictional character of all time’ list

[whitedragonwolf4961]

The first female dire wolf in over 10,000 years and who is she named after? After Daenerys Targaryen. Not after any Starks. After Daenerys Stormborn. The Khaleesi. A testament to her legacy. To her amazing character. And this makes me so happy for another reason. Despite the shitty disgusting putrid ending from the hacks, they failed to destroy Dany’s legacy. People still name their children and pets after her. And now, they have named the first female dire wolf in thousands of years after her. God I would love to see the look on the hacks and the actors shitting on Dany like Sophie Turner and Peter Dinklage (who had the audacity to say “we warned you not to name your dog Khaleesi) if they could see that Dany is who they chose to name the first female dire wolf after. Not that snot nosed brat Show Sansa. Not the emotionless antisocial assassin Show Arya. Daenerys.

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Ugh… what’s with all the fucking Dany hate. First that disgusting video by those freaks about “mentally ill women loving Dany” and now articles like this?

[whitedragonwolf4961]

The signs were there…

The signs were there all along… that the fucking hacks were ruining this beautiful, amazing, complex character long before the shit season. I know those dumb as shit incompetent hacks and some of the cast of GoT (do they actually believe that shit or were they toeing the line?) in their condescending manner told us that the “signs” were there all along about Dany “going mad”. They are right but not for the reasons they think they are. The signs were there… that D&D were ruining Dany’s character long before that putrid shitshow that was Season 8. When you reread the books and remember or rewatch the show, you can see. As early as S1, they were giving many of Dany’s strong or intelligent or kind and merciful moments to the males around her. It was her who took Viserys’s horse away from him to show how she has grown stronger and is no longer as afraid of him as she once was. In the show they gave it to Rhakaro. In S2 they had Jorah tell Dany she must be her people’s strength and then Dany told Jorah “as you are mine”. Contrast that where in the books Dany told herself she must be her people’s strength, including Jorah. And they gave Dany’s meeting with Quaithe to freaking Jorah! There is the fact that the hacks couldn’t have women talking for two minutes without insulting each other (directly or subtly). And then they gave her intelligent strategies to her male advisers in S3 and 4. And of course had her rely on the incompetence dumbass Show Tyrion for strategy completely in S7, ignoring the advice of her allies (who were all females). And to make her look worse, they had Barristan tell her “it’s better to answer injustice with mercy” when she had those masters crucified for what they did to the children (and of course add “nice and innocent slavers”). No surprise to find out that they omitted that Dany specifically ordered them to give up their leaders aka the ones who obviously ordered it, in the books. And how Dany is told by her advisers to be more violent and ruthless, instead of them “tempering her worst impulses” (I fucking hate that sexist fucking line). Dany is the one who wants to be as merciful and nonviolent as possible. A little off topic, I think Dany needs to become more ruthless. I think GRRM was trying to show that while it shows Dany’s good heart that she tried to be compromising, you cannot compromise with slavers. If she wants to utterly destroy slavery she will need to be more ruthless and that is not a bad thing at all.

Anyway, besides giving most of Dany’s best moments to the males around her, the fucking hacks were changing things when they still followed the books (for a given definition of “follow”) as well as adding ridiculous crap. It’s most blatant in her S2 storyline. The Thirteen immediately invite Dany into Qarth because they sought her out. But the hacks had Dany be condescendingly talked to by the show only Spice King and refused entry. So they could have her shout “We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground”. I know a lot of dumb idiots will use that line as “proof” but it was a stupid addition by the two hacks so they could make Dany look bad. And then they had Dany’s Dothraki people slaughtered. They had Irri murdered. They took away Dany’s female companionship (until Missandei). And speaking of Irri, who killed her? Doreah! Yeah! They had Doreah out of literally nowhere with zero explanation or reason betray Dany and murder Irri (like I said, Dumb&Dumber can’t stand female friendships. They think women are only good for insulting and killing each other). Looks like the later seasons weren’t the start of them inventing stupid plot points out of nowhere. And I guess they wanted to make Dany look cruel for locking Doreah and Xaro in the vault. Know what she does to them in the books? Nothing. Well not exactly nothing. Doreah dies in the Red Waste and Dany holds her and gives her water from her own waterskin and refuses to move until Doreah has passed. And Xaro is still alive in the books. Because Xaro and Pree never stole her dragons in the books (another stupid show invention). And then later, as I previously mentioned, they invented “innocent slave masters” that Dany crucified like Hizdahr’s daddy. Nothing like that is brought up in the books. Oh, and they decided to kill off Ser Barristan in S5! Even though Barristan is alive and well and gladly serving Dany in the books and knowing she’s nothing like her father. Which the actor pointed out. And it only made those scumbags want to do it even more. And then after his (very stupid) death, Dany burns a slave master. And that stupid awful behind the scenes book after the shit season, Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon has that moron Cogman bring that up about how Dany didn’t care if he was innocent or not (they really had a thing about “innocent slave masters”). None of that crap ever happens in the books.

They also changed small but important parts. Never let Dany have a crown like I mentioned. They also had Dany sit on top of the stairs in Mereen, when she insists on sitting at the bottom on a simple bench because she wants to be on an equal level with her people. Heck an illustrator had to be corrected by GRRM when she was showing that (does anyone have a picture or article about that?). They also never really showed her bond with her other dragons. In the books she loves and pays attention to all of them, in particular Viserion who always wants to be petted by her. In the show, she only really pays attention to Drogon mostly. Rhaegal and Viserion were reduced to “the two smaller different colored dragons” (to be stupidly killed off later on in stupid asinine ways). And Dany’s relationship with Daario is changed. Daario is made to be the one in love and Dany “feels nothing” when she ends their relationship. In the books Dany has a huge crush on Daario but Daario only really wants her for her crown and title, not the girl she is. And Dany knows this. And Jorah is changed into this super nice guy who is always giving her wisdom instead of this creep who is trying to isolate her from other men so she’ll only rely on him.

And when they stopped following the books? Well they really weren’t bothering to hide it much anymore. In S6, they have that idiot Show Tyrion talk about how Dany was “wrong” for not building a new system (and Tyrion is portrayed as smart for not wanting to change the way of the world even though that’s what Dany wants to do). So Tyrion wants slavery to continue for seven years (which the idiot says is a “short time”). And most disgustingly, they had him tell Missandei and Gray Worm, who were slaves their whole lives, that he now “knows the horrors of it”. A white rich guy telling two people of color that he knows about slavery… (am I looking at it too much?) Anyway, when that predictably backfires (why the hell were they always having people talk about how smart Tyrion is and Dany needs to listen to him when all he’s ever done is fail?) and Dany returns to Mereen, they have Dany talk about “returning cities to the dirt” so Tyrion can give her a more merciful strategy. And then in S7… have her rely only on Tyrion and his stupid plans. And if she dared to want to just end it quickly, they told her she would be just like her father. They even had that dumb weak idiot Show Jon say that. Book Jon would bitch slap that idiot. Book Jon wants to bring destruction to House Lannister.

Speaking of which… that scene where she meets Jon. It was funny how Dany had all her many titles spoken by Missandei when all Davos said about Jon is “He’s King in the North”, right? Well… I think those hacks wanted Show Jon to be this humble “noble king” while Dany is this “arrogant Queen with all these titles”. And they also want Dany to come as arrogant and entitled so they have her talk about all the shit she went through (like getting raped and betrayed and sold to sexual slavery) and how faith in herself kept her going. Now to the sane layman, that is a strong woman giving herself credit for believing in herself and using her strength to forge something better for herself. But to Dumb&Dumber that is an arrogant and selfish woman not crediting her abusers for her strength. Gosh I loathe Show Sansa but NO ONE deserves to be raped and to have her credit her rapist for her strength is just… wrong. In every way possible.

Then there was that crap with the Tarlys. Those idiots wanted us to see Dany as doing something evil and wrong. Actually they wanted us to see that whole battle as “wrong”. Because they have that tragic music playing and Tyrion looking sadly. The same guy who watched thousands burn in wildfire that he himself laid out. Where was the sad music then? Anyway Dany does what literally not just every King and Queen does but what ever highborn period does after defeating the enemy. She offers them the choice to bend the knee and live and keep their lands. Or death. Same choice Robert Baratheon offered Balon Greyjoy. Same choice the old Stark kings offered their rivals. The two Tarlys choose death so Dany executed them despite multiple chances. And immediately Varys starts comparing her to her father. Except her father (and people like Ramsay Snow, Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane, and Euron Greyjoy) wouldn’t have given multiple chances. They would have given no offers. Just murdered them all (Ramsay, Gregor, and Euron simply for their sadistic pleasure). And then they had Jon look uncomfortable when Dany said she had fewer enemies. Which is stupid. Jon has fought battles before. He’s killed thousands to take Winterfell back as Dany herself reminds him.

And they even had it said that Aegon the Conqueror started “the wheel” and got along far with fear. Except… yes Aegon was ruthless when he had to be, but as King he unified a country that was divided and plagued by constant conflicts. He gave them peace and prosperity. And he and his wives were the first to get rid of some unsavory practices. The hacks were determined to have us think that all Targaryens were “mad tyrants”. Idiots would have us think the Starks were democratically chosen leaders instead of ruthless warlords who conquered the North. They never understood the story or the characters. And the signs were there all along that they were ruining and destroying one of the greatest female characters in fictional history.

Longest post I ever wrote! I didn’t cover S8 because nothing needs to be said about that putrid shitshow. But let me end with this. I fully believe that not only will GRRM finish the books… he will give Dany a great and satisfying ending. I hope she becomes Queen but I will perfectly settle for her being alive and well. I have every confidence that she will not get that disgusting show ending. That was a shitty sexist plot point done purely for shock value. But… I guess the signs were there that those hacks never understood or respected Dany. But there are signs that George has great things planned for our beloved Dany. And then that is how she will be remembered. I’m gonna keep believing and hoping. Someone has to, and I will happily be that person. PS: Can people please tell me what they think of all this? Any questions? I’ll happily answer! And reblogs are perfectly acceptable and encouraged! I’d love to hear your thoughts and you can add anything you want.

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Why do they still put articles about that stupid shit season? I google Emilia Clarke because I want to know if anything new is happening and I find articles talking about how Kit Harrington said Dany is not a good person. That was from fucking five years ago! Why do they keep making articles about that bs? I try to let go but there’s always something to remind me how much I hated that wretched season and making me distrust the cast over their defense for that wretched season

[daenerys-stormborn]

When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Hers is the Song of Ice and Fire.

[whitedragonwolf4961]

The Princess who was Promised

No more doubt who the Prince or Princess that was Promised is. It is Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen. Born admit salt and smoke. Reborn in the fire to awaken dragons from stone eggs.

When I saw this vision I literally screamed with joy!!! Seeing my favorite female character ever again was a huge joy! And showing her with that red comet… no question now that she IS the one who was promised! Just as Maester Aemon told Sam. Now I know… this doesn’t erase the putrid ending from the hacks shit season. But… I believe this is an Easter egg for the books. For the real story. The Long Night is given so much attention and so much importance that I refuse to believe this isn’t a middle finger to how the hacks completely ruined it and made it a secondary anticlimactic freakshow. GRRM has always been clear that the fight with the Others is the ultimate threat. He’s not gonna make it what the hacks made it. So I believe this scene was a reminder that in the real story, the Others are the greatest threat. And the one who was promised is Daenerys Targaryen. She is a hero. She was never meant to have that putrid turn from the shit season. I don’t care what anyone tells me.

Even if HotD S3 and S4 suck or Knight of the Seven Kingdoms or Aegon’s Conquest… if they have more stuff like this… it’ll be worth it. I mean what I want more than anything are the books. The real ending. But if they continue throwing subtle jabs at the awful writing and ending from the two hacks… I am all for it!

From the blood of Aegon the Conqueror and Rhaenyra the Rightful, comes the Princess that was Promised. And hers is the Song of Ice and Fire

[whitedragonwolf4961]

It’s been confirmed by the FBI that the shooter at that Trump rally was actually a registered Republican! And Trump’s MAGA idiots are ranting on Twitter that it’s Democrats responsible for this when it was actually a Republican who did it! It just goes to show how projection is part of the playbook for those idiots. By the way… we must vote for Biden. I would much rather a younger candidate but we’re stuck with what we got. Biden is not perfect and I disagree with quite a few things he’s doing but better him than the other guy. I’m not voting for Biden for Biden himself. I’m voting so my rights aren’t taken away. So my mom and my sister and my cousins and my future children can live in a country where they have autonomy over their bodies. Where immigrants aren’t called vermin who “poison the blood of the country” (which is what Hitler said). And so we can take steps to fixing the Supreme Court and making sure it isn’t stacked with hacks who think a President is above the law. And so we have a President who will not turn us into a fascist Christian nationalist dictatorship. And so we will have gun control so our schools and stores are safer. And very importantly to me, so we’ll not have someone who claims climate change isn’t real and will sell our environment out to greedy assholes who will destroy it to make money. I ask you all to do stand with me on this. Biden isn’t perfect by any means, but don’t think of it as voting for him if you don’t like him. Think of it as voting to protect your rights and the rights of your family and friends. And to fix that awful Supreme Court.

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Women’s Day ASOIAF

A day late but it’s okay! Happy International Women’s Day! And here are my two favorite ladies (also my favorite characters alongside Jon) from ASOIAF! The amazing Daenerys Targaryen and incredible Arya Stark! These two are some of the most amazing and proactive female characters I’ve ever seen! In a world where many of those in power or have privileged backgrounds, these two are the kindest and most compassionate characters and they view common people as their equals and as worthy of protecting. They are also two of the most intelligent and perceptive characters (Arya escaped Harrenhal with her own cleverness and wits and Dany proved her strategic skills when she came up with her own strategies for taking Yunkai and Mereen). Now neither of them is perfect, they are both gray characters with their flaws (like their insecurities regarding themselves and how their youth means they have some inexperience) but they are both willing to learn and adapt. I’m proud to be a fan of these two amazing women! And I hope GRRM has a great ending in mind for them. Also hope to see them meet and then become besties! Happy Women’s Day!

[fromtheseventhhell]

It's "the Stark sisters have complementary skillsets" until someone points out that Arya is good at math and Sansa isn't. Then suddenly Arya is an unreliable narrator, Sansa is just being humble, and she'll magically have that skill if/when it becomes relevant

[elisefrost]

JON SNOW & DAENERYS TARGARYEN in Game of Thrones - "Winterfell" | 8.01

[youwerenevermine]

EMILIA CLARKE || For SameYou. Via Naoko Scintu's IG. (November 30, 2023)

[mysteryspotcast]

CONGRATULATIONS SAG-AFTRA!

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Emilia at the Bazaar Women of the Year Awards where she was given an award by her friend and costar Olivia Colman! I’m so proud of Emilia! She deserves this so much. And she looked so very stunning as she always does. So proud of her!

[jackoshadows]

I don’t understand the logic of people who think Sansa has more skills than her siblings because she knows her courtesies, learned how to handle a 8 year old and is now seducing a womanizer (I’d give her more credits if Harry was like Stannis lol). Arya speaks 5 languages, can tell truths from lies, can lie very well, is good at spying, is a powerful warg, has knowledge of poisons, is well acquainted with the small folk. Bran ruled Winterfell and is the most powerful greenseer. How are Sansa’s skills more useful? Why would Jon NEED her as his bride? Every Jonsa claims she’s oh so necessary, and I don’t doubt it. I want her to learn the meaning of Winter is Coming and help mitigate the food shortage by providing grain to the North, but she’s far from being as skilled as her siblings unless we’re talking about embroidery and harp playing.

Sansa stan logic:

GRRM has written nothing for Sansa as a leader of the people unlike the whole books he wrote for Jon and Dany where they make mistakes or Arya leading her small wolf pack or Bran as Prince of Winterfell. That’s why she’s going to end up the endgame best leader of the series because Jon, Tyrion and Dany's arcs are actually about Sansa becoming a leader.

GRRM has written nothing for Jon and Sansa in terms of a relationship, they hardly mention each other or care for each other on the page despite growing up together. That’s why they are going to be the central, most important and best romantic relationship in the books.

GRRM has not connected Sansa to the Northern plots and characters there like he has Arya, Bran and Jon. That’s why she is the ONLY KEY TO THE NORTH and going to be the Queen in the North and leader of their people.

GRRM killed off Lady early into the books while writing Summer, Nymeria and Ghost connecting the Stark kids through wolf dreams, helping them develop and build their warging powers and in the case of Nymeria gather a huge wolf pack in the Riverlands. This is why the direwolves are unimportant in the story and don’t really matter for the Starks or their Stark identity.

GRRM has written the very least for Sansa thinking of her father and she never remembers his advice or wisdom or takes strength from his words like he has done for Jon, Arya and Bran. This is why Sansa is the most like Ned, the Nediest of the Stark children, a mini Ned in the making.

GRRM has not written a magical/fantasy plot for Sansa like he has for Dany, Bran, Arya and Jon. That’s why ASoIaF is mostly about the politicking happening and fantasy/magic is boring/unimportant/bad/evil.

And so on and so forth. It really is fascinating to watch this huge subsection of fans reading an entirely different series of books to the rest of us, think characters who have magical arcs in a high fantasy series are unreliable or evil or write essays on who is the best and smartest leader based on tradfem standards of femininity etc.

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I also think Jonsa's and toxic Stansa's don't actually know how GRRM writes. I think they are under the belief that subversive writing means the characters and the plots will head into the least likely option and the most convoluted ways instead of actually paying attention to the actual foreshadowing and how characters and relationships are actually being written and developed.

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Which makes no sense to me at all. I have read many a book but none where the author just throws out all the build up and character development at the end to be 'subversive'. There's a reason the TV show was universally derided as garbage for their last season and ending. That's what we would get if characters were randomly plopped into place without the build up for it.

I am no literature expert, I have not studied literature. I just like reading fiction. And clearly GRRM has crafted a coherent narrative for a purpose and is telling a particular story.

Jon Snow didn't randomly end up Lord Commander or get the support of the Freefolk. The author wrote in a learning arc, with mentors like Donal Nye and Maester Aemon or Jeor Mormont and Mance Rayder. He wrote entire books of Jon traveling with the Freefolk learning about them, learning to be more open minded and let go of his old long held beliefs. Jon defended the Wall before Stannis gets there and Sam uses that as one of the arguments to convince the black brothers to vote for him. There was 3 books of build up and character growth before Jon Snow even becomes Lord Commander. That's how slowly and gradually and painstakingly GRRM has taken him to becoming Lord Commander.

I hate talking about the show, but one of the reasons show Jon Snow is terribly written and so very different to book Jon Snow is because hacks like D&D were so into their 'subverting expectations' and 'themes being for 3rd grade book reports' that they didn't care about the story GRRM was telling.

Jeor Mormont making Jon Snow a steward is what is subversive writing. We all expect Jon Snow to be an action hero - Jon himself wants to become a ranger and fight the bad guys. The whole point to being the Lord Commander's steward is not that the Lord Commander is training you to be the top fighter, but training you to lead and manage. And we see that every time Jon is helping Bowen Marsh keep stock of food and essentials or when he listens in on Jeor discussing which NW castles needs urgent attention in terms of reinforcing the Wall's defenses. And later in book 5, as Lord Commander, Jon uses every thing he learns in books one and two.

Show Jon Snow on the other hand was just around to swing a sword because D&D's little sexist brains think that only Sansa can be a politician since she's a real girl unlike Dany and Arya as per their interviews.

Sansa suddenly wanted Jon to ask her for military advice, advised the Vale/WF soldiers on how to make armor, lectured old warrior Yohn Royce on how the castles are the first line of defense and should not be torn down. Her sister, who Sansa tried to kill the previous season, praises her as the smartest person ever, and she walks around telling Jon that he's stupid and Tyrion is given dialogue where he keeps praising her as smart.

And since D&D want to connect their suddenly 'Smart Sansa' to replacing Jeyne with Sansa which got backlash, they wrote dialogue where Sansa credits her marriage to Ramsay as being responsible for becoming the best politician of Westeros. This is the kind of subversive writing that Sansa stans seem to want and think will happen in the books, where Sansa is a politician and deserves leadership because she has suffered from abuse. When that's just not how the books work. If it did, Jeyne Poole and Theon Greyjoy would be the future leaders.

There are posts which talk about Sansa deserving QITN because characters want to marry her for her claim....

Like we have a whole ass plot going on in the books right now revolving around 'Arya's' marriage to Ramsay Bolton to hold the North. But apparently only Sansa is in demand for marriage alliances and hence should rule Winterfell because the other evil Starks will pawn her off.

This is the ultimate problem. Only thing I think of when I see posts from Sansa stans about Sansa, Arya, Jon, Dany etc.

They don't work with what's actually in the books, instead crafting a narrative around their headcanons revolving around Sansa being QITN/leader of the North. Like the most recent post on the Arya tag...

What even is this? But hey, the same person has written an entire essay on how Sansa is really, really smart because she dresses well and has nice manners and is therefore going to reform the system. And the term 'soft power' has been mutilated beyond recognition in the asoiaf fandom.

Whatever.

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@jackoshadows It is just really wretched how D&D were such talentless hacks that they turned one of the most intelligent and capable individuals in the books into some bland watered down version of Ned who can only swing a sword. And they wanted us to think Sansa is some genius but to do that they had to dumb everyone else down (gosh that armor scene was so bad). And having everyone constantly praise her “intelligence” when she never did anything to show it. Ugh… and they had Arya actually side with Sansa over Jon which the real Arya from the books would never do. And it reeks of misogyny how they had her say she was glad she got raped by Ramsay because she never would have become “strong and smart”. And Sansa stans seem to think Sansa’s courtesy makes her “brilliant” and she deserves to rule because of how much she suffered. Like you said, if it was based on suffering, Theon and Jeyne would be emperor and empress of the world. And even Dany and Arya would have much bigger claims on suffering than Sansa.

I feel because of D&D’s putrid writing about “subverting expectations” which to them was doing shocking things for the sake of shock even if they made zero sense (hello “mad queen” and “Arya the savior”) that too many people, stupid or otherwise, now have a misconception that GRRM does things like that. No. Even the most shocking things like the Red Wedding, GRRM gave foreshadowing. He does subvert expectations but not simply for shock value. Still too many people think now that Dany has to become a villain or it will be “too Disney” or that Arya and Jon can’t possibly be leaders. That moron Cogman said in that book, Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon, that any other story Jon would be king but not this one. Idiot is just like D&D.