I'm not surprised about JJ leaving. I've noticed Parth popping up in a bunch of shows the last few years so he's probably become too busy. And I'm guessing Joanna didn't want to have to leave just because he was moving on. I think Brassic has run into the Call the Midwife problem where some of the cast see it as steady work and some see it as a stepping stone to something bigger.
It sucks for Joe because keeping the cast the same was a big deal for him (probably because he was aware of what the change did to Misfits), but that's the risk of going for more seasons.
I made this post back when S3 of Brassic aired but it feels even more relevant now so I thought I'd better post it before I forget about it again:
I know there are people who aren't into the Vinnie/Erin thing, and I totally get that, but as someone who doesn't usually like how romance is handled in the media, I see them as an exception.
Romantic relationships on TV tend to have at least one of these problems:
1. Bad pacing (making an initially interesting ship burn out quickly or drag out to the point people are tired of being baited)
2. The characters have a toxic dynamic.
3. The writers try to push together actors who don't have chemistry.
Now admittedly the jury's out on whether I'll feel this way by the end, but Vinnie and Erin have so far managed to avoid these issues, imo.
The way their relationship is developing feels organic. Early on you get the sense they both have a soft spot for each other, and as things get complicated with Dylan and Tyler, those feelings get deeper. It hadn't occurred to Vinnie that he'd have a chance with Erin, thinking she'd always be with Dylan, but when they break up he realizes he wants more than friendship with her.
On her end, she sees Vinnie step up to be there for Tyler, and it changes the way she perceives him. They're getting to know each other on another level, but aren't rushing into anything because they don't want to hurt Tyler, Dylan, or their own friendship. I like the restraint being shown here, yet at the same time the fact Joe has indicated he's into seeing their relationship progress means bonding moments do have significance and aren't just there to tease fans.
One of my favorite things about Vinnie/Erin is that they make a great team. They're like an oasis of calm surrounded by chaos -- I love how relaxed their scenes are. Unlike Dylan, Vinnie doesn't try to control her and is happy to have her involved in schemes. He doesn't do things because he feels he has to, he wants to. Unlike Jake, he doesn't pressure her to go out with him or attempt to change her. Unlike the both of them, he always knows how to genuinely make Erin feel better when she's stressed or upset. Erin keeps Vinnie focused, gives him reassurance, is a leader in her own right, and is great at problem-solving.
Another is that they see each other for who they really are. People tend to draw all sorts of conclusions about Vinnie and Erin based on how they look, their class status, etc. Vinnie is viewed as a pathetic, unintelligent criminal. Erin is constantly objectified and treated as a potential trophy wife, and she's highly underestimated. The two of them don't see any of that in each other though. Vinnie admires Erin, and while he does consider her beautiful, he loves her for the person she is - her strength, her empathy, her humor, etc. Erin likewise knows how smart and kind-hearted Vinnie is. She views him as the only man she can depend on, incredibly resourceful, a great friend, and a great dad.
I don't know if it was always intentional to go there with them, but I think it was the right choice to lean into the chemistry Joe and Michelle have. I've found that a lot of shows have an annoying habit of fighting against chemistry to shoehorn in whatever other relationship they had planned, and it never works.
No I totally agree and get what you mean. There was a lot of unspoken emotions there I think.
I feel Vinnie's heart wasn't really in it with Sam, and his reaction there showed that. With Erin it's like, Vinnie's always been there as a reliable constant, and as much as she says she wants change, once there's the possibility of him moving on with someone else, she feels a little lost. I suspect there's a bit of realization that she needs him more than she had appreciated.
One of the (many) things that sucks about social media is that because it became the main way for famous people to interact with fans, the idea of sending fanmail through letters stopped being normal. So if you're a fan of someone like Joe who doesn't like anything involved with social media, you don't have a way of getting in contact unless maybe you're particularly determined.
Since my chances of meeting him are extremely low bar some kind of incredible luck, and even if I could I wouldn't say much of anything beyond "Hey you're cool", I wish I could send him a letter. I wouldn't normally care about that kind of thing, but I've enjoyed his work for a significant amount of my life now, and a lot of what he talks about has resonated with me. I'd just like to show my gratitude, y'know? Especially since he seems like he'd actually appreciate it.
I know this is kinda silly since it's all fictional, but it's really nice in Brassic to know how much Vinnie's friends love and care about him. Because most of the characters Joe has played get treated like shit, and it's pretty painful to watch. lol
What do you think was going through Vinnie's mind when Erin interrupts him and Sam at the shack? I always find it interesting watching his body language and expressions at that moment. He's not annoyed, just awkward and at a loss for words. Is he embarrassed about Erin seeing him with someone else? Flustered that he's happy she came to see him? Not sure whether it's appropriate to shift his attention away from Sam? Not sure how to handle the two of them interacting? Or simply disappointed he's not getting any after all?
I got some responses in that previous post from people who said they hadn't heard about this so here's what happened:
Back in December 2015 comedian James Meehan was making an animated pilot for a show called Space Dads. Meehan described it as "a group of idiots get trapped in space on a rocket powered by one of their Dad's computers."
It was going to star those guys above (Scroobius Pip, Joe Gilgun, James Acaster, Brett Goldstein), and Kath Hughes. According to twitter they were spotted getting lunch together at the University of Salford in Manchester in 2015.
It was in development up through 2017. I'm not sure what happened after that. Obviously it never took off, and I imagine it became less likely to happen as each of these guys became increasingly successful, but it's fun to think about the what if and I'd love to know what a conversation between them all was like.
Joe gilgun is so so good at those like "pensive" looks, ya know what I mean? Idk why it hits me more than most actors doing similar looks. Maybe it's in comparison to the kind of ridiculousness of most of brassic and then -bam- serious pensive Joe.
Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's something in his eyes. Like you can tell he's putting his whole soul into it, and it makes you really believe he's going through something. A lot of times with actors I feel they have an obvious "actor" face, you know?
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