another person (kayla) has posted about her experiences with ryan. link. she posted a summary at the end of her document so i’ll copy and paste that under the cut with a couple of other things i found relevant.
someone else, leigh, has posted about their experiences with ryan. summary under the cut. link to the document. she also posted screenshots of their convos. link
Jeremy spoke about the situation last night, and I wanted to repost it here because I feel like it’s something we could all stand to hear. Apologies about the watermark, I had to compress it because it was over the file size limit. Time stamp of 2 hours, 9 minutes if anyone wants to see it for themselves.
I had to cut it for time, but he ended it by saying: “It’s okay to not be okay right now. Because eventually we will be! Remember that.”
In a stream Jeremy touched on the topic a bit and he said ‘One of the hardest things about all this is that there are a lot of things that people don’t know and people will never know’, which makes me wonder how much of the details they all found out about. And also just how much worse it gets.
Hell in the video one of the girls made she even says ‘There are girls right now that are still silenced, and I don’t even have the worst story’ and I thought the things she said were already horrible enough.
Yeah, I watched that clip of Jeremy’s stream, then watched Michelle’s video just a bit ago. It seems like RT/AH learned a ton more about everything he did than we did initially. It really is putting their comments in context, though. A few days I was also feeling “wow what he did was gross and manipulative, but every one in AH is reacting really strongly to it” and now i’m just like…. yeah, i understand exactly why they spoke the way they did.
it’s… good that fans actually believe the accusations, though.
another ryan haywood victim has spoken out twitter(.)com/MichelleVologs/status/1314588030926090240
link + summary. this is nsfw as it goes fairly in depth about what happened between them physically when she was underage, and i’m sticking a blanket cw on here for how he behaved when they were in a room together. i’m not sure what cw would cover it, but it definitely has the ability to be triggering.
she opens with an outline, and says she’s giving info because she thinks the community deserves to know, and specifies she’s only talking about her experiences and emphasizes that the victims coming forward are the ones who deserve empathy, not him.
aug 2017, ryan makes instagram, she’s 17. she dm-ed him how much she admired him, they had a casual back and forth until he checked her instagram and saw her pictures and changed his tone to flirty. she says she tried to play off his first couple of flirty messages as just him being awkward, but he keeps leaning into it. (he tells her he’s alone in his room at pax and he asks “what kind of package” she wants and she jokes about “what’s the dad package?” still trying to play it off and he says “hugs? it’s a bit different from the daddy package ;)”
she stops trying to play it off at that point and asks what’s the situation with him and his wife, he gives her a sob story about how he loves her but their sex life is dead, michelle says “i am so sorry to laurie” and says her reasoning was if that she was fulfilling his physical needs, their marriage could continue, specifies that she knows it was stupid but thought it was a solution at the time
she asked him if he slept with fans, he said once a long time ago, but he didn’t anymore. she says her reasoning is that if she did it, he wouldn’t risk his career by asking a different fan, or risk his marriage. she says they started sexting consistently and in sept all of ah was in la and ryan had his own room, say on sept 23 she lost her virginity to him and posts a timestamped photo of him walking around his hotel room where you can see her legs on the bed, mentions he seemed to be into the virgin thing and “teaching” her.
he never asked for her age, just asked her if she was in high school or college, and she was in college at the time as a 17 year old.
he told her that whenever she was ready for sex to just tell him, she told him, he immediately ripped off her dress, put on a condom w no foreplay and went straight for penetration, which she says “obviously didn’t work”, and his solution to make it go smoother was to take the condom off, finger her for a minute or so, and then penetrate her again condomless. she says it lasted for hours and was pretty rough.
november she entered a relationship, so she ended their sexual relationship but he continued to check in on her every few months to ask about her life and school and if she was single. she says she really thought he cared about her because he supported her a lot, but after tessa came forward she found out there were other people with stories pretty much identical to hers that she realized that it was wrong, and she wasn’t special, or a one time thing, but a part of his pattern of young fans who admired him with little experience.
she says she doesn’t think it’s a coincidence that many of the people he engaged with had mental health issues, or were virgins,
she says that he noticed she was insecure about being naked and he said “i hate that you don’t see what i see, but on the other hand, i guess i’m glad because if you weren’t so insecure, if you didn’t know how hot you were, you wouldn’t be sleeping with me.”
she says they started things back up after awhile, and she told him that she had been underage when they had sex, and his response was “well, i trust you more than anyone.” and she says his “i didn’t do anything illegal” statement is bullshit.
she says she was very conflicted and initially wasn’t going to reach out to anyone or come forward because she wanted to protect him as someone she cared about, but it’s become clear he’s not a good person who does not deserve anyone’s trust or empathy.
she emphasizes that being careful of the power dynamics of boss/employee means we should also be careful of age gap power dynamics and celebrity/fan power dynamics.
she hopes that her story clarifies the situation for the community, even if it’s not the full picture, and that support is really important for people coming forward because they’re vulnerable and there are even more girls who haven’t said anything yet, with stories worse than hers.
hey i am so so sorry to come to you with this but there has been an update on the main comment on the r/OutOfTheLoop thread. it links to a video account too. i haven’t seen anyone on tumblr mention it yet. i think i’m going to be sick
could you send me a link? or something? what is it?
She shows this screenshot in her video of a conversation between them on Instagram dms.
“So long as this doesn’t end up on tumblr or something”
This is a perfect example, showing that he knows EXACTLY what he is doing and that it is wrong. But he is choosing to continue regardless. That is manipulation, meant to prevent her from sharing what happened. I’m disgusted.
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