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The Master of Dark Type in Westeros Region, GYM Leader Cersei Lannister...she is dangerous and won't let you win so easily...so be very careful if you choose to challenge her
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The Good Queen Alysanne Targaryen and her Daughters: Alyssa, Maegelle,Daella, Saera, Viserra and Gael
Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains
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@asoiafsnet‘s Arryn Appreciation Week
Alyssa Arryn had seen her husband, her brothers, and all her children slain, and yet in life she had never shed a tear. So in death, the gods had decreed that she would know no rest until her weeping watered the black earth of the Vale, where the men she had loved were buried. Alyssa had been dead six thousand years now, and still no drop of the torrent had ever reached the valley floor far below.
My masterpiece, Rhaenyra Targaryen, First of Her Name, modelled after Elizabeth the First, Queen of England...what do you think?
Let’s look at these famous “parallels” between Dany and Cersei
(Because I’ve been re-reading AFFC and ADWD simultaneously and couldn’t help noticing these. This list might be expanded btw)
Dealing with a guest who’s pissing them off
CERSEI:
“Aye,” her uncle said, “and from what I saw of Joffrey, you are as unfit a mother as you are a ruler.”
She threw the contents of her wine cup full in his face.
DANY:
“Be that as it may, they do not trust you. The men of New Ghis feel the same. Words are wind, as you yourself have so oft said. No words of yours will secure this peace for Meereen. Your foes require deeds. They would see us wed, and they would see me crowned as king, to rule beside you.”
Dany filled his wine cup again, wanting nothing so much as to pour the flagon over his head and drown his complacent smile. “Marriage or carnage. A wedding or a war. Are those my choices?”
Dealing with war refugees
CERSEI:
A hundred gold cloaks with staves and swords and maces could clear this rabble quick enough. That was what Lord Tywin would have done. He would have ridden over them instead of walking through.
[…]
“High Holiness,” she said, “these sparrows are frightening the city. I want them gone.”
“Where should they go, Your Grace?”
There are seven hells, any one of them will serve. “Back where they came from, I would imagine.”
DANY:
“It shall be done, Magnificence,” said Reznak mo Reznak. “What of these Astapori?”
My children. “They are coming here for help. For succor and protection. We cannot turn our backs on them.”
Ser Barristan frowned. “Your Grace, I have known the bloody flux to destroy whole armies when left to spread unchecked. The seneschal is right. We cannot have the Astapori in Meereen.”
Dany looked at him helplessly. It was good that dragons did not cry. “As you say, then. We will keep them outside the walls until this … this curse has run its course. Set up a camp for them beside the river, west of the city. We will send them what food we can. Perhaps we can separate the healthy from the sick.”
Dealing with people who knows too much
CERSEI:
Qyburn arrived before the food. Lady Falyse had put down three more cups by then, and was beginning to nod, though from time to time she would rouse and give another sob. The queen took Qyburn aside and told him of Ser Balman’s folly. “I cannot have Falyse spreading tales about the city. Her grief has made her witless. Do you still need women for your … work?”
“I do, Your Grace. The puppeteers are quite used up.”
“Take her and do with her as you will, then. But once she goes down into the black cells . . . need I say more?”
“No, Your Grace. I understand.”
“Good.” The queen donned her smile once again. “Sweet Falyse, Maester Qyburn’s here. He’ll help you rest.”
DANY:
The Shavepate had urged her to put the man to death. “At least rip out his tongue. This man’s lie could destroy us all, Magnificence.” Instead Dany chose to pay the blood price. No one could tell her the worth of a daughter, so she set it at one hundred times the worth of a lamb. “I would give Hazzea back to you if I could,” she told the father, “but some things are beyond the power of even a queen. Her bones shall be laid to rest in the Temple of the Graces, and a hundred candles shall burn day and night in her memory. Come back to me each year upon her nameday, and your other children shall not want … but this tale must never pass your lips again.”
Dealing with criticism and thinly veiled accusations
CERSEI:
“The Red Keep has had no master-at-arms since Aron Santagar was slain,” Ser Loras said, with a hint of reproach in his voice. “His Grace is almost nine, and eager to learn. At his age he should be a squire. Someone has to teach him.”
Someone will, but it will not be you. “Pray, who did you squire for, ser?” she asked sweetly. “Lord Renly, was it not?”
“I had that honor.”
“Yes, I thought as much.” Cersei had seen how tight the bonds grew between squires and the knights they served. She did not want Tommen growing close to Loras Tyrell. The Knight of Flowers was no sort of man for any boy to emulate. “I have been remiss. With a realm to rule, a war to fight, and a father to mourn, somehow I overlooked the crucial matter of naming a new master-at-arms. I shall rectify that error at once.”
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“Night soil can be washed away more easily than blood, Your Grace. If the plaza was befouled, it was befouled by the execution that was done here.”
He dares throw Ned Stark in my face? “We all regret that. Joffrey was young, and not as wise as he might have been. Lord Stark should have been beheaded elsewhere, out of respect for Blessed Baelor … but the man was a traitor, let us not forget.”
[…]
“War is a dreadful thing. These atrocities are the work of the northmen, and of Lord Stannis and his demon-worshipers.”
“Some of my sparrows speak of bands of lions who despoiled them … and of the Hound, who was your own sworn man. At Saltpans he slew an aged septon and despoiled a girl of twelve, an innocent child promised to the Faith. He wore his armor as he raped her and her tender flesh was torn and crushed by his iron mail. When he was done he gave her to his men, who cut off her nose and nipples.”
“His Grace cannot be held responsible for the crimes of every man who ever served House Lannister. Sandor Clegane is a traitor and a brute. Why do you think I dismissed him from our service? He fights for the outlaw Beric Dondarrion now, not for King Tommen.”
DANY:
The weaver raised her head. “Every day we told each other that the dragon queen was coming back.” The woman had thin lips and dull dead eyes, set in a pinched and narrow face. “Cleon had sent for you, it was said, and you were coming.”
He sent for me, thought Dany. That much is true, at least.
[…]
“Others blamed Daenerys,” said the weaver, “but more of us still loved you. ‘She is on her way,’ we said to one another. 'She is coming at the head of a great host, with food for all.’ ”
I can scarce feed my own folk. If I had marched to Astapor, I would have lost Meereen.
[…]
“Even then some said that you were coming,” said the weaver. “They swore they had seen you mounted on a dragon, flying high above the camps of the Yunkai'i. Every day we looked for you.”
I could not come, the queen thought. I dare not.
[…]
“It is good that you have come,” she told the Astapori. “You will be safe in Meereen.”
The cobbler thanked her for that, and the old brickmaker kissed her foot, but the weaver looked at her with eyes as hard as slate. She knows I lie, the queen thought. She knows I cannot keep them safe. Astapor is burning, and Meereen is next.
[…]
“These are not apples, Ben,” said Dany. “These are men and women, sick and hungry and afraid.” My children. “I should have gone to Astapor.”
Dealing with prophecies
CERSEI:
She promised me I should be queen, but said another queen would come …“ Younger and more beautiful, she said. ”… another queen, who would take from me all I loved.“
"And you wish to forestall this prophecy?”
More than anything, she thought. “Can it be forestalled?”
“Oh, yes. Never doubt that.”
“How?”
“I think Your Grace knows how.”
She did. I knew it all along, she thought. Even in the tent. “If she tries I will have my brother kill her.”
[…]
It was a pity that Maggy the Frog was dead. Piss on your prophecy, old woman. The little queen may be younger than I, but she has never been more beautiful, and soon she will be dead.
DANY:
When Reznak and Skahaz appeared, she found herself looking at them askance, mindful of the three treasons. Beware the perfumed seneschal. She sniffed suspiciously at Reznak mo Reznak. I could command the Shavepate to arrest him and put him to the question. Would that forestall the prophecy? Or would some other betrayer take his place? Prophecies are treacherous, she reminded herself, and Reznak may be no more than he appears.
Dealing with sneers or matters of disrespect
CERSEI:
“One more thing. A trifling matter.” He gave her an apologetic smile and told her of a puppet show that had recently become popular amongst the city’s smallfolk; a puppet show wherein the kingdom of the beasts was ruled by a pride of haughty lions. “The puppet lions grow greedy and arrogant as this treasonous tale proceeds, until they begin to devour their own subjects. When the noble stag makes objection, the lions devour him as well, and roar that it is their right as the mightiest of beasts.”
“And is that the end of it?” Cersei asked, amused. Looked at in the right light, it could be seen as a salutary lesson.
“No, Your Grace. At the end a dragon hatches from an egg and devours all of the lions.”
The ending took the puppet show from simple insolence to treason. “Witless fools. Only cretins would hazard their heads upon a wooden dragon.” She considered a moment. “Send some of your whisperers to these shows and make note of who attends. If any of them should be men of note, I would know their names.”
“What will be done with them, if I may be so bold?”
“Any men of substance shall be fined. Half their worth should be sufficient to teach them a sharp lesson and refill our coffers, without quite ruining them. Those too poor to pay can lose an eye, for watching treason. For the puppeteers, the axe.”
DANY:
“We are all dead, then. You gave us death, not freedom.” Ghael leapt to his feet and spat into her face.
Strong Belwas seized him by the shoulder and slammed him down onto the marble so hard that Dany heard Ghael’s teeth crack. The Shavepate would have done worse, but she stopped him.
“Enough,” she said, dabbing at her cheek with the end of her tokar. “No one has ever died from spittle. Take him away.”
Views on torture
CERSEI:
Even in the black cells, all they got from him were denials, prayers, and pleas for mercy. Before long, blood was streaming down his chin from all his broken teeth, and he wet his dark blue breeches three times over, yet still the man persisted in his lies. “Is it possible we have the wrong singer?” Cersei asked.
“All things are possible, Your Grace. Have no fear. The man will confess before the night is done.” Down here in the dungeons, Qyburn wore roughspun wool and a blacksmith’s leather apron. To the Blue Bard he said, “I am sorry if the guards were rough with you. Their courtesies are sadly lacking.” His voice was kind, solicitous. “All we want from you is the truth.”
DANY:
“If he is not the Harpy, he knows him. I can find the truth of that easy enough. Give me your leave to put Hizdahr to the question, and I will bring you a confession.”
“No,” she said. “I do not trust these confessions. You’ve brought me too many of them, all of them worthless.”
MISCELLANOUS
Dealing with adverse political faction(s)
CERSEI: gleefully send Loras off to Dragonstone to be killed, frame Margaery and Margaery’s cousins for adultery, publicly shame Mace Tyrell at Tywin’s funeral, insult the Tyrells at every turn.
DANY: marries one of their highest members, try to reach peaceful agreements.
Priorities
DANY:
“The Tolosi had replied to her request for an alliance by proclaiming her a whore and demanding that she return Meereen to its Great Masters. Even that was preferable to the answer of Mantarys, which came by way of caravan in a cedar chest. Inside she had found the heads of her three envoys, pickled.”
CERSEI:
Can’t think of a specific passage here, but we know enough of Cersei to guess that if she were in Dany’s place, it would’ve been written more like this:
The Tolosi had replied to her request for an alliance by way of caravan in a cedar chest. Inside she had found the heads of her three envoys, pickled. Even that was preferable to the answer of Mantarys, that proclaimed her a whore and demanded that she return Meereen to its former rulers.
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Since you opened for requests, could you draw this scene, if you'd be so kind? "Dany had wanted to lead the attack herself, but to a man her captains said that would be madness, and her captains never agreed on anything. Instead she remained in the rear, sitting atop her silver in a long shirt of mail. She heard the city fall from half a league away, though, when the defenders’ shouts of defiance changed to cries of fear. Her dragons had roared as one in that moment" (ASOS Dany VI)
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A insistência em dar para Daenerys desenvolvimentos que não pertencem a ela
É comum a gente ver pessoas teorizando que Dany vai ficar louca, que Dany vai quebrar emocionalmente ou que ela vai se perder com as profecias. Isso sempre me incomodou, principalmente porque nunca vi essas coisas sendo desenvolvidas nela simplesmente porque percebia essas características sendo exploradas em outros arcos.
Não sou estudante de letras, mas tenho práticas em escrever textos e aprendi com um tempo que uma coisa que se deve evitar para um texto ou narrativa coesa é a redundância. Ou seja, repetir as mesmas informações em partes diferentes do texto ou narrativa. As mesmas ideias.
Numa história complexa como a do Martin é como se você tivesse dezenas de livros reunidos num só pois cada um dos personagens povs é protagonista do seu próprio arco.
A maneira como ele escreve também permite paralelos e a guerra é um pano de fundo do enredo em si. Mas cada um de seus personagens possuem uma característica diferente e estão em caminhos diferentes. Pelo menos, sempre foi assim que eu vi.
Há sim umas insistências temáticas, como a alta violência contra as mulheres onde eu acho que às vezes ele extrapola e a insistência em fazer a maternidade um ponto fraco em algumas ocasiões, dentre outras falhas.
Enfim…
Minha ideia é falar dos desenvolvimentos de outros personagens que são direcionados para a Daenerys porque parece haver uma sede enorme que ela enlouqueça e se torne uma vilã ou qualquer coisa que a desqualifique de algum modo.
A Mad Queen
Queria entender como as pessoas não aceitam que esse desenvolvimento é da Cersei. Ainda que eu não goste, mas o desenvolvimento está lá. Cersei inclusive já foi comparada com Maegor, Aegon IV e Aerys II, ou seja, o que existe de pior dentro da Casa Targaryen.
Ela também é extremamente paranoica, ela tem um ego enorme que a deixa completamente cega, ela autoriza torturas para provar coisas que não existem, ela entrega pessoas vivas para a experiência de Qyburn, ela queimou a Torre da Mão por pura suspeita, ela sente um prazer mórbido pelas chamas do fogovivo, ela gosta de transar todas as vezes que faz uma grande maldade. Isso lembra alguém? Precisa deixar mais claro que ela está sendo ajustada como um paralelo com o próprio Aerys Targaryen?
São 13 capítulos de desenvolvimento da Cersei nessa direção, enquanto Daenerys apenas autorizou tortura porque seu povo estava sendo atacado e ela mesmo proibi depois quando ver que não estava surtindo resultado. Ela também se arrepende de ter crucificado os mestres entendendo que ela agiu rápido demais. Mas não, essas decisões são sinais de sua vilania, disseram eles.
Pipipopopo, mas ela fica se perguntando sobre a macula. Se perguntar sobre a macula é sinal de que ela é uma pessoa lúcida e tem uma preocupação em não seguir os passos de seu pai. Cersei faz uma crueldade atrás da outra. E não se questiona em nenhum momento sobre isso. Ela acha que está fazendo o que é correto e o que é normal. Basta ver como ela idealiza Joffrey, sem nunca percebe o que ele era de fato. Grande parte do motivo é porque ela é muito parecida e ver as ações do Joffrey na maioria das vezes como.algo normal.
Cersei também é aquela personagem que foi extremamente afetada pelo seu universo misógino e pelo efeito das profecias. A profecia do valonqar é uma das principais responsáveis pelo estado mental que percebemos nela durante O Festim dos Corvos. Sem contar seu relacionamento completamente disfuncional com Robert que conforme descobrimos, a estuprava. Sim, Cersei desde pequena sempre teve traços de crueldade, mas eles foram agravados pela profecia e o casamento com Robert e agora…. Ela foi presa contra vontade (novamente um paralelo com Aerys), humilhada (também) e é sobretudo uma pessoa vingativa.
A quebra de personalidade:
Em reposta a todos que acham que Daenerys vai perder tudo como ela perdeu em Game of Thrones, quebrar e fazer atos insanos como a gente viu em The Bells, eu quero lhes lembrar de Tyrion Lannister porque até certa parte, este arco pertence a ele.
Acompanhe:
Tyrion começa sua trajetória como um sujeito simpático e gostamos dele. Ele realmente tem um bom coração, além de ser espirituoso e muito inteligente;
No segundo livro, Tyrion vive seu auge, quando ele é alçado a condição de mão do rei. Um cargo que ele ama, pois descobre que ama ter o poder, ama olhar as pessoas de cima e mesmo confessa que havia nascido para aquilo, que ter poder era o seu destino. Tyrion tem o coração bom, com lados sombrios sim, mas ele é um Lannister autêntico. Como disse tia Genna, Tyrion é o verdadeiro filho de Tywin, então gostar de ter poder é algo natural pro personagem, mas como leitores, vamos descobrindo isso aos pouquinhos;
No mesmo livro em que ele está no topo, ele está no fundo no final. Ele não é mais Mão, ninguém está grato por ele ter salvo a cidade, ele é rebaixado do lugar aonde estava, assumindo uma função sem grande importância;
O terceiro livro é aonde acontece a sua quebra. É aonde ele colhe de forma amarga a ingratidão da cidade com ele, é aonde seu pai lhe nega o direito ao Rochedo, é aonde ele é acusado injustamente pelo assassinato do Joffrey depois de ser humilhado por ele, é aonde Shae o trai e o humilha publicamente e ele perde a única coisa que lhe restava (o respeito por ser um Lannister) pois as pessoas riem publicamente dele. Então Jaime confessa a ele sobre Tysha (o que o quebra) e ele mata seu pai e Shae;
No Dança dos Dragões, Tyrion quer se vingar de sua família, inclusive de Jaime que ele sempre amou, e de Porto Real em si. Nesse livro, ele descobre que é bom em manipular e seus pensamentos e ações estão completamente sombrios, basta lembrar em como ele pensa em estuprar Cersei ou mesmo como ele mata o Babá no acampamento (ainda que a caçamba tenha merecido). Não apenas isso, ele perdeu tudo, inclusive o nome e precisa se virar sem isso. Porém ele quer o Rochedo para si, ele quer ser chamado de Lorde e todas as coisas que seu pai sempre lhe negou;
Além disso, sua mudança para cores mais sombrias, pode estar prestes a causar grandes tempestades como uma Dança dos Dragões entre Dany e fAegon. Só nos resta a saber quais eventos a partir de agora ele pode influenciar e de que modo.
Embora eu deixe em aberto, minha questão com o arco do Tyrion é que eu não vejo uma redenção. Acho que agora ele vai agir de acordo com coisas que são interessantes para ele e Daenerys está em seu caminho. Não sei se o arco dele é de redenção por causa do Jaime e mesmo o Theon, mas sobretudo Jaime, que já vive algo assim e essa é a marca de seu desenvolvimento. Martin repetiria a fórmula? Seria redundante. Fica a questão.
Em suma, Tyrion é o personagem que quebra no meio caminho e agora vive um momento sombrio e de sede de vingança por ter sido humilhado, traído, pela ingratidão que recebeu e por tudo que sempre lhe foi negado. O absurdo é ver que Doente e Demente vulgo D&D fizeram exatamente isso com Daenerys em Game of Thrones enquanto Tyrion (completamente descaracterizado,verdade seja dita) posava de bom moço e de arrependido.
O caminho escorregadio das profecias
Eu confesso que tem sim coisas no arco da Daenerys sobre as profecias que me preocupam, como a fixação dela com as três traições. Dos imortais, é o que ela mais se lembra.
Porém, além arco da Cersei com a profecia do Valonqar, existe o arco de Stannis Baratheon/Melisandre, sobre acreditar em destinos proféticos. Em acreditar que você é o escolhido. Que tem um destino e um propósito.
Melisandre e Stannis fazem uma série de coisas sombrias em nome desse propósito, ainda que a principal motivação de Stannis seja o seu direito ao Trono de Ferro. Porém, ele acredita que precisa derrotar seu grande inimigo, o Grande Outro, para cumprir seus objetivos como rei de Westeros.
Stannis tbm é devorado pelo rhollorismo de Melisandre e isso fica evidente quando Davos descreve o seu estandarte, o veado dos Baratheons sufocado por um coração flamejante.
A consequência disso são as tragédias que não são difíceis de prever.
Davos provavelmente vai perder todos os filhos lutando pela causa do Stannis, Stannis vai perder tudo de forma brutal e Melisandre vai ter que amargar com todos os seus erros. Tudo isso porque sabemos que Stannis não é a figura profética que ele e Melisandre acreditam que ele seja e tudo isso deve acabar muito mal.
Sim, as profecias são escorregadias e traiçoeiras, mas essa faceta dela está sendo mostrada em outros arcos que não são o da Daenerys. Até porque, graças a Mirri Maz Durr, ela é extremamente desconfiada com feitiçaria e teremos que ver como ela irá reagir a presença de Moqorro e Marwyn. Talvez por não acreditar de imediato na Longa Noite, ela se permita a fazer guerras com o fAegon, até que sua ficha venha finalmente a cair.
Arte: Annie Stegg