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Skyward Sword Link and the Demon Lord Ghirahim
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Race in the Zelgan Fic
And by āthe Zelgan ficā I mean the one Iām writing.
Iām going to talk about race. Itās going to get heavy.
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I hope this isn't weird, but I read what you wrote about LoZ's portrayal of race/oppression/Ganon and LOVED it. I'm studying fan cultures and how important they are (best class ever). One of our assignments is to look at fanfic etc. from media we like and consider why it matters. I am interested in how race is represented in the games and have always struggled with it. I was wondering how race affects your engagement/writing with LoZ? Sorry for being weird, but yeah basically you rule. Thanks!
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Feel free to send me a message off-anon, because Iād love to chat with you. I have lots of thoughts, and feelings⦠and thoughts about feelings.
The responses to the original post are all made of gold, and they are my treasures; every single one of them is way more interesting than anything I could have said.
In the meantime let me link you to some good stuff.
Why Ship Zelgan by @betterbemeta
Hylians and Imperialism by @betterbemeta and @bonjiro
Zelda Donāt Be Racist by @corseque
Race and Gender in Zelda by @corseque
Reproduction in Gerudo Culture by @rottenappleheart
Hylia and Divinely Sanctioned Monarchy by @thehangrycat
The Arbiterās Grounds by @architectureofzelda
Some Thoughts on Ganondorf by @blueganon
Ganondorf and Empathy by @corseque and @blueganon
The Gerudo Diet by @figmentforms
Iāve only been in this fandom for a few months, and I know Iām missing a lot of commentary. Please help me out if you have anything to add!
As for my own metaā¦
The Gerudo and Lanayru Desertabout technology and the meaning of āpowerā
Ganondorf and Masculinity (with @yammidoodlez, @emerald-disaster, @blueganon, and @seldavia)about gender performance in Gerudo culture
Zelda and the Arbiterās Grounds (with @seldavia)about what happened to the Gerudo in Twilight Princess
The King of Light and Shadowabout the final boss fight in Twilight Princess
Something I hope your professor is covering in class is RaceFail 2009, which was a big deal on Livejournal back when Livejournal was still a thing. Itās impossible to talk about portrayals of race, ethnicity, and cultural difference in both fanfic and profic without mentioning this huge and important conversation that happened almost entirely on the internet.
"geRuDO aGe fAsteR tHan HyliAnS"
horrible, awful, so many bad implications, especially when in context of riju and the gerudo as a whole, but in general just bad, jail for nintendo, jail for nintendo for one thousand years!!
but the thought of ganondorf being actually just as old/young as zelda and link just looks like 50+ is also
(also idk how old rauru is supposed to be but him being like idk 300 years old and his superior attitude to literally everyone-
I think TotKās backstory for Ganondorf shouldāve had a lot more to say about the adultification of kids forced into leadership positions and how badly being expected to solve problems for the adults around you that you arenāt mature enough to handle can seriously screw you up, considering how big a deal that was for Rijuās plot + Zelda and Linkās backstories in BotW. But, nope! Itās just an excuse to put āexoticā tweenaged girls into bikinis, makeup, and high heels! šš¤¦
racism in Nintendo 2: electric boogaloo
hello and welcome back it is i, once more. to talk about the elephant in the room that has reappeared in the release of the totk designs. a suspiciously green elephant i might say
this is of course about ganon
i have made a few posts before about ganon - about how it's not anti-racist to 'redeem' his role as an all-evil villain by sexualising him; about the fan response to the first totk trailer and the rehydrated ganondorf trend; and how other characters (namely link) do not get the same treatment that ganon gets for similar design features.
what i want to give today is a more straightforward explanation of 1. why it is bad that ganon is green (yes, it is in fact bad) and 2. the orientalism inherent in his totk design. i know a lot of people find him hot, and might become defensive that i'm pointing out features that they enjoy. the fact of the matter is that the sexualisation of totk ganon is done by deliberately playing upon erotic orientalist tropes and this is something that shouldn't be ignored for personal comfort.
so to start. the green skin. im going to quote an article called Greenface: Exploring green skin in contemporary Hollywood cinema by Brady Hammond, which can be summed up by the arguement in the
"article [is] that as overtly racist cinematic depictions associated with real-world skin colors ā particularly black skin ā have decreased, Hollywood cinema has relocated those tropes onto green skin."
and I agree. I've talked about coding before in relation to loz, and it is no stretch to consider that a character can be representative of some particular demographic(s) without replicating their features in their entirety.
Without doubt it is straightforward to say that ganon represents a brown or black man. The gerudo are heavily inspired by the SWANA region, and not to mention that most of the gerudo indeed have a brown skin tone. botw having lighter and darker skinned gerudo is still representative of the SWANA region and the variety of looks we have there.
and thus coding done with ganon's design - intentional or otherwise - cannot escape the racial implications that ganon is very clearly a brown or black man. which means negative coding that coincides with preexisting racist coding and racial stereotypes will carry those same racist undertones. none of it is undermined by that nintendo is a Japanese company or that this is a fictional world in a video game. deliberate design choices made by real people can't be absolved from racism when it's convenient
to start:
"David Batchelor states that ācolor has been the object of extreme prejudice in Western cultureā. This prejudice, he argues, manifests itself by either dismissing color outright as āsuperficialā or by denigrating it and ā[making it] out to be the property of some āforeignā body ā usually the feminine, the oriental, the primitive, the infantile, the vulgar, the queer or the pathologicalā."
and
"More importantly, given the ability of the cinema screen to render fantastic spaces and colors it is necessary to consider how characters are represented when they feature an unnatural or even impossible skin color."
the gerudo have always had an orientalist lens laid over them. ganon has always had strong animalistic associations, and has appeared non-human a number of times. this was fine before nintendo retconned him to specifically be a brown man from a group that are explicitly human in the same way that hylians are human and other round-eared people in the loz franchise are human. it is racist to seperate the gerudo exclusively from other human groups as having explicitly non-human characteristics given their prolific role as the first group of brown humans in tloz, and the most foreign and exoticized group of humans.
to give ganon green skin is thusly, a way that implicitly denies his humanity. and it becomes pointed when this primitive and animalistic coding occurs most frequently to the brown man villain. now that totk revived ganon as a humaoid it becomes more pointed that he's denied the same human skintone of the rest of the gerudo, and it's quite frankly upsetting to see this happen and to be glossed over.
more specifically. green has preexisting racist associations for black and brown characters specifically. that is because green has long been used in media to depict the racialised other by linking them with real world negative racist stereotypes. an example given in the article "in Star Trek (1966-1969) when an alien woman of the Orion race dances. Her skin is an emerald green and she is both hyper-feminine and an alien Other." not commented upon but which is more evidence to the racial stereotyping of green skin is that the orion woman is depicted in a distinctly orientalist manner: with a hypersexualized outfit and routine that is reminiscent of belly dancer fantasies. the low light, setting choices, and recurring theme of the slave women dancing provocatively plays upon the western imaginations of the Harem.
as you can see:
other examples of the green other include orcs (with their own swath of racial stereotypes), the grinch, aliens, gremlins, goblins, etc. what often occurs is that green characters are concurrently linked to ethnic stereotypes through coding that is brought together in the fantasy realm by their green skin. that coding may include racism, orientalism, xenophobia, antisemitism, anti-indigenous stereotypes or so on. it is clear that ganon representing a brown/black man brings with it negative coding in the game as the only villain, his animalistic associations, his domineering violence that stands apart from the primarily female gerudo, and as the racialised other. this coding would still exist if he was not green. but it is an affront to dignity to remove the humanity of a brown man by also making him green.
if i have not yet lost you then to wrap up: the fetishizing other. as established with his coding, ganon's humanity is put into question with his design, and he can be linked to the SWANA region. evocative of a harem is the only (violent and dangerous) man from a group of women who are hidden away, and is explicitly a danger to both them and western/hylian rule and ideology.
His imagery is paired with similar design choices made for the gerudo women to sexualize him and invoke imagery of the sexy orient, the beast that can be tamed, and so on. This is done primarily with his torso being bare while he wears gold jewelry, in a way almost reminiscent of chains or cuffs. brown and black men are fetishized through sexualising them as erotic beasts, which is clear to the image that totk ganon's design presents. even the toe rings play into this - as a practice with a long history in India as worn by married women (and men, in Tamil culture).
much akin to the face veil for women, brown and black men are often sexualised through (usually gold) jewelry. specifically (like with the veil) the juxtaposition between their lack of full covering (bare torso is most common) and the abundance of ornamental jewelry. it shows their body as this exotic, decorated prize, where their nudity is highlighted by what they do wear. [this remains true despite the real world groups in the swana region that have traditionally topless outfits for men. that sort of respectful and researched depiction of cultural outfits it not what is happening here, clearly]
[note: there are clear elements of ganon's outfit that have a noticeable influence of the samurai, and the outfit is not exclusively made from one source. however the features of the outfit that i am mentioning, the jewellery, toe ring, even the trousers, are not part of the samurai aspect. it is in conjunction with the other coding and features that ganon having a bare torso becomes anything more significant]
which all goes to say that totk ganon's design continues Nintendo's legacy of racism. He is simultaneously dehumanised and sexualised - which only serves to further his dehumanisation. I am not going to ask for or address his role as a villain, what I want is just a modicum of respect.
We Need to Talk about Breath of the Wildās Racism
a.k.a.Ā āWah, wah, the brown girl is oppressing me because she dares talk about a serious issue that she noticed when she was 7ā³
This is going to be an entire breakdown of every racist piece of shit thing going on in botw and believe me, thereās a lot of it. In fact, my brain feels like itās going to herniate through the base of my skull from how oblivious people are to this. Then again, what do I expect from a fandom thatās continually been exotifying the Gerudo and calling itĀ āempowermentā for the last 2 years? This is the same fandom that jumped on Jim Sterling for giving botw a good score but not a good enoughĀ score, so apparently itās littered with people who canāt stand anyone criticizing their favorite video game.Ā
Note, that the Gerudo have bothĀ āMiddle Eastern/South Asianā and black coding, so the stereotypes for those two things will overlap in this analysis. (I am not black, so I wonāt go too much into the anti-blackness here)
Also, Iām aware the creators of this game are Japanese, for those of you who come crying to me about howĀ ātheyāre not white! theyāre Japanese! they canāt be racist!!! *sad boner*ā and if you honestly think that Iām as uneducated as you that I wouldnāt know the goddamn creators of the franchise Iāve been playing since I was seven, and you reallyĀ think that Japanese people canāt be racist wellā¦this conversation is entirely too advanced for you.Ā
And lastly, note that this is supposed to be a concise criticism (and itās still so long, oops) so I will cover every topic, but I wonāt go into every detail (ie. going into every line of dialogue from every NPC).Ā
It would probably be helpful to read this first, and perhaps go through my Gerudo tag.
Anyway, here we go.
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this game is getting a sequel so letās stir the discourse pot, lads
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Lesson 1: "White Man Painted Black"?
Lesson 1.5: "Hair for Thought"- how visualizing affects your writing
Lesson 2: āThat One Hairstyle? RETIRE IT!ā Black Hair is an Art (pt.1)
Lesson 2.1: Addendum to Hair pt 1
Lesson 2: "It Takes HOW LONG?" Black Hair is an Art (pt.2)
Application! Examples of Protective Hair Coverings
Application! Ice's Lazy Loc Wash Routine
Application! How to: Simplified Braid
Application! Daisy E's Simplified Hair Drawing
Lesson 3: "Defying the Default"- Skin Tones and the Presence of Black Characters
Application! What are Black fans looking for in Commissions?
Lesson 4: "Do Black People Blush?" Bringing brown complexions to life
Application! HumanƦ- Resource for Skin Palettes!
Lesson 5: "The Same Place As the Music" Lighting & Color
Lesson 6: "Let's Have A Talk, First" Stereotypes, pt 1
Lesson 6: āWhyās she so rude?ā (Sheās Not)- Stereotypes, pt 2
Lesson 6: "Is He the Threat (Or Are You?)"- Stereotypes, pt 3
Application! How to Spot a Stereotype: An Example
Lesson 7: "That's the Black one!"- Imagery and "Black-Coded" Characters
Lesson 8: āAcross cultures, darker people suffer most. Why?ā Multiethnic and Multicultural Blackness
Lesson 9: āRomance Will Not Solve Racismā- Interracial/Biracial/Blended Black and White Relationships and Families
Lesson 10: āThe Ambiguously Brown Characterā¢ā- The Attachment to Eurocentric Beauty Standards
Lesson 11: āNo, Thatās Not āHow Color Worksā.ā - Whitewashing
Lesson 12: āThe bulging eyes and the twisted mouthā - Violence, Violent Imagery & Black Horror
Lesson 13: āItās Givingā AAVE, and the Denied Yet Undeniable Impact of Black Culture
Lesson 14: āOn Human Dignity.ā Ā Blackness, Gender & Sexuality
Shout out to all the Black ppl that can no longer participate directly in the fandom they love because of the stresses of racism šš¾ you contain multitudes of value and I'm sorry that the color of your skin and the power of your voice makes people not want to acknowledge that.
Yes, nonblack people can reblog. I'd appreciate it, in fact, if y'all took the time to vocally support your Black friends/fans in fandom.
RACISM IN LOZ: THE GERUDO
Remember that no racism that's internally justified through the lore of the game is valid, because someone wrote the lore of the game.
Also remember that while I'm focusing on japanese media (Nintendo) it would be incorrect to think that Japan is the only country doing this or that Japan is a special example of racism and xenophobia. That should not be the takeaway.Ā
For the purpose of this discussion I will not make a huge effort to distinguish the depictions of the gerudo in OoT and BoTW, even though many people dismiss criticism of OoT because it came out ages ago.
The reason for this is that there's a continuity in the themes associated with the gerudo in both games and the way they're depicted by Nintendo, including the overt coding of the gerudo as being inspired by MENASA cultures.
(MENASA broadly refers to Islamic countries/cultures in Middle East, North Africa, South Asia. NOTE: not all MENASA countries are Islamic - India, for example is in South Asia.)
Nintendo has an issue with orientalism of Islamic countries - specifically treating them as the exotic other. They've consistently included references in their games that take from the aesthetics of these places in their games.
Many LoZ fans will remember that the original gerudo symbol was a moon and star, and that there was an excerpt of islamic prayer included in the theme song of an OoT temple that they were forced to take out after public outcry.
Nintendo has also taken from Arabic; the term sheikh is an Arabic title given to the leader of a tribe or member of royalty. Now, using languages from other cultures is not inherently wrong but it's an example to their consistent use of Islamic aesthetics and the fact that they engage in a sort of 'cultural shopping' where there's no respect to understand the source culture and reproduce it in a way that is meaningful or understandable to a person from that culture.
Nintendo also has a consistent trend to portray their dark skinned female characters with an exposed mid section compared to their white appearing peers, which I take to be emblematic of the wider company behaviour towards dark-skinned people.
This is related in the sense that there's a trend towards racial fetishism. In OoT they introduce the gerudo who:
Are all women besides Ganon - elaborated upon later.
All thieves - self explanatory stereotype of Arabs (basedĀ off the fable of ali baba and the 40 thieves)
Have a handful (like 2) identical character models despite the fact that they and hylians are both human in loz lore, and hylians were given individual models - what gives?
Have dark skin and bright white lips?? that's a minstrel caricature.
Huge pointed noses on them all.
Literally made some of them green - Ganon and his evil witch mothers.
Gave them shitty, sexualised outfits.
The fucking face veil, bane of my existence.
I can't list every single example of Islamic aesthetic but the scimitar is an evident one. The shalwar (puffy trousers, named sirwal in botw which is just the arabic name for shalwar).Ā
BoTW is actually worse in some ways, starting with the idea of the harem. For reference (bc anime has fucked up the meaning of the word), harem is Arabic for a sacred, inviolable space. It's meant for women and children.
The notion of the harem has been heavily exoticized in the orientalist imagination. People were enamored with the idea of scantily clad, perpetually available women who were naive in their isolation and guarded by beastly men, but who would be accessible if only you could sneak in.
In reality the harem is not solely an Islamic thing, but the word harem comes from Arabic that refers to the Islamic practice of having sex segregated spaces.
Women, old and young, children - male and female - would traditionally exist in a separate space.
In BoTW and MM they heavily promote this as an orientalist fantasy. Men are constantly seen around the walls and gates of these women only spaces, explicitly fantasizing about them in their dialogue, and trying to get in. The entire subplot of gerudo town in botw is trying to sneak in as man, and pulling it off.
This fantasy is also promoted by the gerudo being "perpetually available" in their incessant obsession with hylian men and looking for husbands, including latching onto the first hylian they can talk to. This the 'love school' you can find in the town that caters towards telling them how to approach men.
No education needed! Go get yourself a white hylian man.
There's no biological reason for the gerudo to be all women. They're supposed to be of the human race, the way that hylians are, however they are all female to fuel this fantasy, and remove the competition of native men.
One theory that people have made on why the gerudo are "better" (good guys/closer to hylia) and have light skin in BoTW is that the interbreeding with hylian men have diluted their bloodline.
They're supposedly not a separate race and yet by the colour of their skin are functionally treated as a separate race by all game mechanics and lore.
re: ganon - Yes, the villains were the only people of dark skin in oot, and remains the only significant character that is a dark skinned character. However!! It gets worse.
Nintendo gives its villains non-human skin colours even if they're supposed to be human (Ganondorf).
He is straight up puke green mixed with dark babey, and so are all their other villains! Demise is dark skinned (aka the evil demon lord who started this all). Ghirahim is straight up grey (also with white lips) - Fi is blue, I know but the overall trend is shitty. Yuga is a sickly whitish grey. The evil "shadow Links" are black versions of Link. Ganon has also been interchangeably depicted as a human and as a pig and/or beast, sometimes in the same game. Why is it that the brown human villain is consistently rendered as non-human? [Remember step one: lore justified racism is just racism.]
Okay so we did most things now onto the Outfit.
I would like everyone to be aware that the gerudo outfit is not what people wear in any culture, especially in the desert.Ā
Practical issues first: you have to cover up from the harsh sun and sandy wind. This includes SECURE head and face covering, and minimal skin exposure. Everyone is susceptible to sunburn, yes even if they're black. You want something loose and made out of cotton, not whatever the fuck that outfit is. Silk and metal?
Other practical issues: the abundance of gold jewelry - that's gonna burn you girl get in the shade.
The high heels on sand - wtf?
Lack of armour for all warriors (The no abs joke isn't very funny when you remember that women of colour have been characterised as being more able to handle physical labour, and feel no pain (from slavery times)).
Basically everything that a warrior may need is missing, but that could be accounted for by regular old sexism.
Also, the fact that only white looking humans in loz have varied settlements and cultures when the gerudo culture is so homogenous it bothers me. That's not worldbuilding (same applies to the gorons).
I would like to direct you all to a post - ostensibly an analysis on Aladdin - but applies because it's about the use of a veil in western media as part of orientalist fantasy.
https://sarawatlisme.tumblr.com/post/182610962137/is-aladdin-as-racist-as-the-gerudosĀ
The veil and the outfit are separate offences in my mind.
The outfit is based on a belly dancer outfit. It's what you'd see if you looked up "slave leia" (or harem slave) for a Halloween outfit. The belly dancer outfit itself was invented in the early 1900s in egypt by a businessman who wanted to market traditional dance to western tourists. It is a product made out of a need to appeal to orientalism.
Nobody in any culture wears this as part of their regular clothes. In fact none of the cultures the gerudo take from have a single outfit for everyone but hey, who cares if your orientalist fantasy is one-dimensional.Ā
Muslim women veil their faces. They are the most visible and prominent group that does so.* It is explicitly done as part of wearing a headscarf and is done for modesty. To veil only the face but to expose the aesthetically pleasing long hair is to subvert the message of modesty into that of that of explicit sexualisation.Ā
The face, and by extension personhood or ID of the woman herself, is not the focus. Her exposed body takes the spotlight- which is especially what happens when you pair a face veil with an exposing outfit.
It becomes a prop to highlight specifically the disparity between the veiled (face) and unveiled (body).
*Some North Indian Hindus also practice purdah, IIRC that includes veils. But that also came from muslim culture with the Mughals' conquest of India.
The face veils used in BoTW look exactly like the ones of a niqab based on the attachment style - which is what allowed that transphobic joke of it blowing away in the wind to happen. A real face covering that's meant to protect from sand would not do that, if anyone were to make that argument.
Another issue: the sexualisation of gerudo children.
Riju is 12-14, wears full make up, full jewelry, and the same outfit as the adults. In fact, all the children wear the exact same outfit. Including heels. Dressing children in sized-down versions of sexy womens' outfits is downright disgusting and contributes to the sexualisation of brown girls.
Now I'm sure I've established the ways in which the gerudo use iIslamic coding. Yet Riju is a Hindi name. They drink alcohol. Ganon is linked to a fucking pig??? The most famous harÄm creature ??
Arabic titles are randomly given to the sheikah. The music for all the Gerudo? It's Andalusian. It's Spanish. Now some of the Spanish/Moorish musical exchange was legitimate, but maybe don't pick the one genre that's largely the result of the Spanish Reconquista? Go fucking ask someone from an appropriate musical tradition to write your game some music, they could use the employment and representation.
If it is disrespectful to mix and match the aesthetics of various east asian cultures just for the consumption of foriegners then it certainly is the same for that of Islamic cultures.
Nintendo has an issue with racist characitures, the gerudo are not the first and only ones. There's a common trend in all LoZ games to give random characters an afro (sometimes also big lips) and - either in conjunction with this or seperate to this - a weirdly revealing outfit.Ā
See the npcs in TP - The lantern merchant has a crop top, exposed mid-section, and an afro which birds nest in. His sister has an afro and her belly out. Their sister wears a normal outfit and has straight hair.
See also the carpenters that appear in OoT, MM, and MC.
These are the carpenters. In OoT the builders are explicitly called lazy by their boss and try at all times to shirk off work.
Nintendo also enjoys racist depictions using clowns. Where the modern clown descends from minstrel shows (please read https://www.black-face.com/blackface-clowns-history.htm). And god knows what went on with WW. EDIT: I have no issue with people questioning the clown example but please do read the source I added which is essential to understanding it. It aknowledges/discusses the older forms of clownery that predate minstrel shows.
This does not touch upon every instance of nintendo racism, but was included as an example of the ongoing issues with their behaviour.Ā
Takeaways:
Acknowledge the racism and inherent issues in the way nintendo depicts the gerudo and other characters.Ā
Call it the fuck out.
Demand better from them.
Educate other Zelda fans.
The biggest "fuck you" isn't just that nintendo does this. It's that LoZ fans pick up on the coding and run wild with it. Y'all are so thirsty for the gerudo outfit. For "rehydrated ganon" that somehow is more racist than Nintendo's own depiction of ganon. Drawing ganon bright green. Saying how much you want "gerudo lady to please step on me". Stop leaving it up to fans of colour to recognize and call out this shit.Ā
āSomeone who is worthy of your love will never put you in a situation where you feel you must sacrifice your dignity, your integrity, or your self worth to be with them.ā
ā Unknown
āEveryone is a main character to someone.ā
ā Amy Harmon; Making Faces
Tfw you donāt want to go back into the light but Ganon says to get your ass back out there
But what if the reason Link is right-handed in Breath of the Wild is because there is an old superstition in Hyrule that boys who are left-handed will be chosen by the goddess - so out of fear for their safety, children are forced to use their right hands.
I made a shower for this bokoblin. He looked kinda dirty.
Yāall out here making calculators in totk while Iām giving monsters showers and making Kilton proud. We are not the same.
Link - Twilight Princess (I like that he can hold cats)
I also like that he can hold cats and puppies. They need to bring that back in the next Zelda game.
Curiosity
Whoa Zelda 2 art, donāt see that very often
Which makes it off trail! Love his haunting expression and the feel of mystery here.
Lucky number seven! Happy (belated) 7th anniversary to Breath of the Wild!
BotW was my first ever Zelda game, so it holds a really special place in my heart and created so many fond memories. One of my most vivid memories of playing for the first time was when I was searching for the final shrine. I REFUSED to look it up, insisting that I find all of them without any help. Turns out it was the āTest of Willā shrine quest, and I found it by accidentally running off a cliff while on the Master Cycle š